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  1. 2 points
    MAMA3

    Tics and use of essential oils?

    Hello, This is my first time on here. Chris is my husband & I wanted to give an update on our son. He is now 9 years old & I'm happy to say his tics are now under control, with only occasional motor tics. We are so thankful for sites like this. Otherwise we would have never known to restrict his diet & try essential oils. I have several friends who have reached out after my recent post on social media & they are also seeing positive results with changing diet & applying essential oils. I spend much more time at the grocery store checking labels on anything that is processed foods. I buy mostly fresh fruits, vegetables & all natural meats. We can always tell if our son eats something that is not within his diet. His tics are almost instantly much more visible & it takes a few days to get him back to normal. We are so thankful everyday to have our happy go lucky son back. We know that he may always have tics, but it’s so reassuring to know that it is controllable with something as simple as diet changes & his daily half tablet of Guanfacine. I have said from the beginning I will always make sure he has a normal, happy life, no matter what. It is possible. My son is a reminder everyday.
  2. 2 points
    bws1565

    Why not start antibiotics anyway

    Jumping in with a different perspective. Was your son vaccinated? Vaccine adjuvants are designed to cross the BBB, specifically aluminium. There was much discussion on this site that Pandas is a version of aluminum toxicity. With vaccines, the aluminum is designed to hold onto the antigen and keep it in the body long term; thereby introducing antigens into the brain as well. It is believed that detoxing from aluminum and mercury helps quiet the immune system. We have tried selenium for mercury, malic acid for aluminum and other stuff as well. She is probably not all clean, but definitely is aluminum sensitive- she cannot tolerate aluminum based deodorant. She is currently using Diatomaceous earth for a slow detox for everything. I think it is helping well. I have learnt about vaccine reactions about seven years ago, and have not vaccinated my kids since. I have 2 totally unvaccinated kids, and several partially vaccinated. It is a CRIME what pharma is doing to our kids without knowing the long term effects. I can honestly say, VACCINES ARE NOT WORTH IT! Which parent would not nurse a child through a bad case of pertussins or measles, and even sweat the time through the a hospitalization for physical problems versus dealing with what we are dealing with here?!!! Just venting my pain. I wish I would have known about this issue many many years ago.
  3. 1 point
    Sheila

    Help form China

    Hi Jasmina, Your English is very good and we were happy to hear from you! It is good to learn that you have found a way to get help for your son. You have made some good starts. I'm sorry not to be able to give you suggestions on amounts of supplements for detox but can say that the amount you are giving of B6 is quite low, nothing to be concerned about; (you can check with your doctor about using more). Some people need to take it with food to avoid stomach upset. In addition to the approaches you are using I wanted to mention that it is important to avoid potential triggers that may be affecting him. Triggers include diet and also things in the environment. We have a book, Stop Your Tics by Learning What Trigger Them -- and it was just translated into Chinese. The concept is that if there is something aggravating his system, it is best if it can be avoided and this will also help other approaches be more beneficial. The publisher gave me these two links for the book in case you are interested. I don't know how it works with you being in China and trying to order from Taiwan, but I hope this could be of some help to you (please let us know if you decide to do it): FROM THE PUBLISHER: You could find the complex Chinese edition on our official website:https://www.wunan.com.tw/bookdetail?NO=14327 Or on Books.com.tw:https://www.books.com.tw/products/0010820544 (Books.com.tw is the biggest online bookstore in Taiwan) We are looking forward to hearing back from you, Jasmina and hope you can find all the answers your son needs, Sheila
  4. 1 point
    Many of us get caught up in a diagnosis name. I think we got lucky with a pediatrician that understood what we would struggle with in the medical industry if she diagnosed our child with pandas which at that time was concidered very rare. She made a diagnosis of “unknown autoimmune illness” in 2012. the result being we did not experience testing or treatment denials from our insurance. Example: getting an mri. Symptoms vary in intensity. We thought at first that DD did not have a tic but later realized her tic was verbal. Her tic also changed with a steroid blast treatment from verbal to head shaking. Having no experience with Pandas symptoms makes it hard to define or recognize symptoms. We think the underlying cause of antibody and protein build up in the Basal ganglia. we did eventually get a pandas diagnosis in 2015.
  5. 1 point
    I think it depends on your age. I have had two episodes of PANDAS in my life. First was when I was 11 years old. Sudden vocal repetitions of phrases when spoken to and lots of hand washing OCD. I was a happy, not anxious, middle schooler and I felt mostly normal - I just had these vocal tics and OCD. I went to school but made accommodations with my teachers not to call on me in class and my parents explained to my friends what was going on. This went away slowly with 6 months of antibiotics and I was in remission for 10 years. I went on to be a recruited division 1 athlete at a top 5 university and was happy, popular, and felt like the luckiest person in the world. I thought I was done with PANDAS. Now I am in my early 20s and battling a much stronger PANDAS/PANS relapse. I have no tics or OCD at all just debilitating social anxiety, depression and obsessive thoughts/worries (which are actually considered a form of OCD) that came out of nowhere three years ago and slowly built up in intensity until I had to leave college. This time around has been more challenging as Lyme and co-infections are involved and I haven't gotten better yet after a year of antibiotics. I think older PANDAS patients experience more amygdala-based inflammation (mood/anxiety issues) whereas kids experience more basal ganglia-based inflammation (tics/OCD). Just my two cents.
  6. 1 point
    Chemar

    Possible PANS/PANDAS or Tourette's

    Hi there I just wanted to welcome you to the forum tho sorry for your child's struggles. Hopefully parents more knowledgeable than me re PANS/PANDAS will soon reply, but my understanding is that Tourette Syndrome and PANDAS are not mutually exclusive, and that yes, some kids are dx TS when in fact it is PANS
  7. 1 point
    h202

    Does PANDAS always have OCD and tics?

    We have a son who likely didn't have any significant tics or OCD relating to PANDAS. His primary symptoms are rages and increased hyperactivity. He had adhd symptoms from birth, but the rage and extreme hyperactivity came out of the blue when he was 6. He was always a quirky kid, but during the 6 months of his initial onset, many doctors and therapists and teachers suggested autism. After two months of abx and some trials of steroids, most of the problems had completely disappeared subject to periodic flares. Our situation is muddled by his pre-existing adhd diagnosis. He was already on adhd medication for his hyperactivity. It has been very hard to untangle four possible sources of behavior: (1) regular evolving behaviors of a 5-7 year old; (2) adhd; (3) pandas; or (4) adhd medication. Several months before he fell off the pandas cliff, he started having some increased problems in school. We increased his adhd medication. In hindsight he had a bunch of minor symptoms crop up between the time of increasing his adhd medication and his "pandas cliff" moment a few months later. Tics: Throat clearing, swallowing, sniffing, but usually only during concentrating on an activity. A significant increase in a complex stereotypy that he'd had since infancy. He developed a significant fear of spiders, bugs, hurricanes and sinkholes. But not serious enough fears that they interfered in daily life. In hindsight, we have no idea if all of this was pandas. Or caused by the adhd medication. It took almost a full year to tease out what symptoms came from what (and honestly, we are still working on it). The rages and increased hyperactivity went away on abx, so we are sure they are pandas. The fears mostly went away when we changed his adhd medication. The tics and stereotypy lingered. And then we stopped his adhd meds altogether over this xmas break, and both tics and stereotypy 90% disappeared. His pandas specialists never though the tic was from pandas - because he only did it when he worked on certain activities. And she never thought his fears were sufficient to count as pandas OCD, because they were pretty minor. She said that anecdotally she has seen a subset of pandas kids who don't exhibit classic pandas (ocd and anxiety) but instead show as more autism/stereotypy/hyper -- and that these kids are often adhd/autism-light kids to begin with. Which describes my son. Not sure if that helps your question.
  8. 1 point
    mmw

    Does PANDAS always have OCD and tics?

    When my son was young we thought he was very sensitive and had a difficult temperament. He eventually did get tics, hallucinations, you name it every time he had strep but before that he was just a VERY difficult child when it turned out he had strep. Like having to be physically pulled out of the car at preschool. He never quite seemed to know how to act either- lots of social issues. We treated with abx for years and did Brain Balance and all of his aspie symptoms went away. When he did have an episode of rage it turned out his younger sister had a simmering strep infection. He is now 18, totally healed, sweetest and the most laid back guy you would ever hope to meet. It was the PANDAS. It is gone .
  9. 1 point
    mdl, We knew our daughter had processing issues when she was 2 years old. But we never really thought of pandas. I think of some of these conditions are connected to a compromised, or hypersensitive immune system. So PANDAS is probably a side effect of something else, rather then the cause of all of this. The OCD was sort of as you described. Like if a child hit her, she might tell that story as her greeting statement as if it just happened. "Ellie hit me, right here on the arm" for months after it happened. But that might be the only sign. When the PANDAS hit, she suddenly wouldn't go to some restaurants, checked the locks at night, was terrified of bridges, limited diets, no one could say "blood" without her freaking. I literally had to read her science book to her and replace the word "blood" with "red stuff." But things are much better. There was a freaky event back in October where we went to a restaurant and the wall (2 stories high) was literally covered with spiders. Anyone using the handrail would have gotten hundreds, maybe thousands of spiders on them. She couldn't see them in the dim light, so I told her to stay away from the wall. So she looked closer. Ran to the car and screamed and cried for an hours. We just went back to that restaurant yesterday for the first time. So, even with the PANDAS being low key, it took her months to process that event enough to go back.
  10. 1 point
    mdl

    Does PANDAS always have OCD and tics?

    For a long time we thought that our daughter had one of the rare cases of PANS without OCD until we figured out that her OCD just didn't look like the typical manifestations of OCD. Sometimes she would get stuck on something and not be able to let it go or she would be very negative about everything. She was actually having obsessive thoughts that fit an OCD pattern, but there usually were no particular compulsions that went with the obsessive thoughts. Later we also realized that there were obsessive thoughts underlying some of her behaviors and she just never articulated those thoughts. No one knew what was going on in her mind except her. Now that she's a bit older we have lots of conversations about what constitutes a normal worry and what is an obsessive thought and we have a window into her mind that has helped us to help her. I think it's also has been a relief to her. For a long time I read list after list of OCD symptoms in kids and nothing seemed to fit. I don't know if this is common for PANS/PANDAS kids, but her OCD didn't fit anything I read. She's doing much better now, but has some lingering symptoms that come and go, and it's only been more recently that we've seen some more straightforward OCD symptoms.
  11. 1 point
    When I was young, I used to take apart old computers, turn them on, and then watch what happened as I took my ground probe and touched different circuits. I could get all sorts of colorful patterns on the screen, but oddly, never the same pattern twice. I think PANDAS is a little like that. The immune system goes crazy and generally in a predictable way. But it's also different with everyone and even within the same person, it changes. I know my daughter has pandas, but right now, I wouldn't say that she is really OCD. She has been really bad in the past, but right now, it doesn't hamper us too much. To me, most mental issues come down to identity. If something in my daughter's day implies that she is stupid or fat, she gets super distressed, even suicidal, filled with rage, and then depression. This is tricky because kids aren't dumb. If you do too much for them, they think they are stupid and that can trigger a downward spiral. But, if you don't do enough, or imply that they need to do more, it can trigger that they are not loved, and BOOM. I think, because of the increased sensitivity because of the over-active brains stuff, destructive mental loops can be very harsh on these kids. I try to set rules that are "necessary" and be pretty lax on other stuff. My daughter likes to change clothes 10x a day, then complain there isn't anything to wear. Convincing she that wearing something twice, if worn for a short time is OK, has been tough, but laundry is once a week. She has to work within that. She doesn't like it, but she doesn't freak out anymore. I don't lie to my kid, but I think of things to say that can build her self esteem back up. Getting her to realize that she WILL get her feelings hurt and need to continue on has been tough. Just today, some off handed put down from her cyber school teacher had her in a tizzy for 15 minutes. But, it was only 15 minutes and not 6 hours (or even days) like it has been in the past. Suicidal feelings are actually confused survival instincts. When the consciousness feels like it has changed too much from what it was, or has been rejected by those it loves, it wants to hit the reset button, (assuming its self immortal (which is another discussion.)) So, the suicidal expressions can really require some quick reassurances that you still love them and even if this stuff is really crazy, you will always love them. It can seem like you are carrying a lot of their personal responsibility for self preservation, but having gone through this, that is something that you can teach later.
  12. 1 point
    jsl25

    Does PANDAS always have OCD and tics?

    Some of the things you listed at the bottom of the post could be considered OCD. For example, my daughter’s OCD is around clothes and how things “feel”.
  13. 1 point
    bws1565

    Why not start antibiotics anyway

    You are correct with this observation. I never mention my vaccine position to anyone. Once, I have had a local medical center confront me about my not vaccinating, but they were very respectful of my decision to my surprise. The only place where I adamantly refused to get a vaccine with my mouth wide open, was prenatally. Otherwise I always say, "not at this time, thanks."
  14. 1 point
    I committed to feed results back as they trickle in, so here is one such result: For MTHFR A1298C (rs1801131), there were 70 sets of data: - 5 were homo for the risk allele (i.e., +/+) - 23 were heterzygous (+/-) - 42 of them did not have the risk allele at all (-/-) For MTHFR C677T (rs1801133), there were 71 sets of data: - 5 were homo for the risk allele (i.e., +/+) - 26 were heterzygous (+/-) - 40 of them did not have the risk allele at all (-/-) The first result above is a lower count of risk allele than the general population, and the 2nd is a little higher - but neither statistically significantly so, according to how we setup this analysis. Particularly together, the two of them are pretty much like the general population in terms of number of the risk alleles. I hope this result is not upsetting for any that feel these MTHFR SNPs are a significant player in PANS. Because it doesn't correlate wtih PANS doesn't mean that it isn't something of significance for your particular child. So far, we have only tabulated results like the above (how individual SNPs for these PANS kids fare against the general population). We are still wanting to look at other patterns of many SNPs together among the participants, which might show something statistically significant even if an individual SNP doesn't. It can also be the case that for a given individual, a certain combination of SNPs, including these MTHFR ones, work in a way together to affect the disorder. It is really hard to do either of those kinds of analysis with our genetic data though, so we'll see how our investigations of that works out.
  15. 1 point
    Note: This has been approved for posting by Forum administration. For any that contributed to this genetic study that we posted here (and elsewhere) - thank you so much! The cutoff was last night, and we had a great result - 71 sets of data. I will post some tidbits of "aggregate" results here (and in the other groups this was put in). I am wary of posting full results on facebook, because then facebook could claim some ownership. Instead, full analysis results (data in aggregate form only) will eventually be posted here: https://osf.io/pf7q2/?view_only=ba9efeabb38e4a22adced3b5ba4dc5a5 That link above is live to the public now, and you can see (in the last revision of a registration plan), what are the 78 SNPs that we have looked at. We are going to look at many more SNPs, though, and do lots more analysis than what is listed there. The plan was just to lay out in advance what we could declare as significant in this pilot study.
  16. 1 point
    Hi My son with TS/Crohn's had abx sensitivity and we found Olive Leaf Extract, Monolaurin (Lauric Acid), Oil Of Oregano (capsules) and other natural antimicrobials very helpful, including dietary garlic, honey etc. I don't have experience with these and PANDAS
  17. 1 point
    dave401

    PANS - trying to find similar case (DD17)

    I also got pans when I was 14 and I always got strep infections, what worked great for me was having my tonsils out , I haven’t got strep since then 12 years ago. If she’s constantly catching things I think it would help. Adenoids removed too
  18. 1 point
    mamafour

    Information about Plasma Exchange

    Our daughter was treated with plasmapheresis in 2017. She has pandas/Pans but not Lyme (we think?). She was typically treated adequately with antibiotics but for whatever reason we couldn’t get that one flare under control with abx or prednisone, so we went looking for ivig. .. The immunologist we found had more success in his patients with plasmapheresis than ivig. Our daughter’s symptoms were severe at this point. It is also often easier to get insurance coverage for plasmapheresis than ivig, which is curious to me. For all these reasons, we went with plasmapheresis, and would do it again in a heartbeat. I cannot express how life-changing it was. (Two years out we may be needing it again, and if we do, I will be nothing but optimistic going into it.) We are in VA so I don’t think I can help as far as who can treat near you. However, don’t take the “it’s impossible to get in CA” and just give up.... start making phone calls. Call area hospitals and ask if they do plasmapheresis at ALL, regardless of reason. Ask which immunologists order it. Work backwards from there. You are at an advantage because of your son’s age, as the issue is often finding an apheresis unit with the capability of treating a peds patient. Your son is not a peds patient so you already don’t have that barrier! I do not have experience with Lyme related to plasmapheresis. Also don’t take the “insurance won’t cover” without checking your plan on your own. You can call and ask if the cpt code is covered (I don’t have it in front of me but could find it) and whether it needs preauth. Don’t give up. Hope I helped or at least gave hope. Good luck.
  19. 1 point
    jmmorgan44

    Tics and use of essential oils?

    Hi Chris - I just wanted to thank you for your post. My husband and I are going through something similar. Our 7 year old son was recently diagnosed with transient tic disorder. His tics are eye rolls and head twitches. While we are still very early on in this process and continue to learn more and more each day, it was frustrating to leave our appointment with our neurologist last week with no recommendation of what we could do to help our son. I've been doing some research on some more holistic approaches we can take, and was so glad to see your post and read up on what's been helping your family. I hope your success continues - this post gave me a lot of hope!
  20. 1 point
    We have not gone through similar, so can't comment too directly, only on your statement "...apparently in true PANDAS cases it [OCD] accelerates anxiety and vice-versa?" Well, I would say that OCD, if it starts more slowly in a PANS/PANDAS child, is somewhat calming at first, when it is not otherwise debilitating or noticed by others too much, because there is some satisfaction derived from "repeating it right" when they finally get there. But when it grows much more significant later (or for any person with severe OCD) the sufferer fairly quickly becomes exasperated with how debilitating it is, and sometimes satisfaction is eluded, and so of course that creates plenty of anxiety. So I think your statement is fully true for those with very quick onset of PANS/PANDAS, and eventually true for all. If you can get and afford the ivig, the potential benefits probably outweigh the risks (in my mind).
  21. 1 point
    gpookie

    will Normal return?

    I wish I had words of encouragement. What you described is exactly my husband. For 20 years since I met him, he exhibited odd behavior, zero executive function, cognitive deficits and arrogance and ODD through the roof. After I nearly had a nervous breakdown five years ago, he had some psych testing: extreme ADHD and NPD. However, with his 4 PANDAS kids ( 2 from a previous marriage), I had him tested for Lyme. Lit up like a xmas tree. Also PANDAS. His whole life is one drama to the next, yet he sees it all as something being done to HIM, while anyone he comes into contact with suffers. He is being treated for everything, but unfortunately with treatment for Lyme, Pandas, etc., those symtpoms have gotten better, and he regularly goes to therapy, but the NPD (arrogance, self focus, lack of empathy, etc.) Is increasing in leaps and bounds.
  22. 1 point
    GAmom

    will Normal return?

    My son has similar behavioral issues. We tried different things, including the Ross Greene method. But, because of his age regression due to the PANS/PANDAS, "normal" techniques didn't work. We ended up doing an intensive CBT program a couple of years ago and now do weekly CBT therapy. He's improved alot. It's still ongoing.
  23. 1 point
    Try posting at this PANDAS group on facebook. It is more active so you will get more replies. https://www.facebook.com/groups/189241844607935/
  24. 1 point
    maryangela

    IVIG at 25

    My son’s case was severe. We were in a very dark place multiple times, sometimes lasting over a year at a time. Looking back, I don’t know how we survived. What kept us going were those times of reprieve, like you experienced after your tonsillectomy...showing that there is an answer out there...but just needing to figure out how to sustain it. My son responded well to tonsillectomy, antibiotics, NAC, IVIG, but nothing with complete and lasting results. He is now receiving monthly HD IVIG at least until the end of the year. His tics have been gone for the most part for over a year. His OCD improved somewhat after 1st IVIG, but it wasn’t lasting (that is why I recommended testing for Mycoplasma Pneumonia first). His OCD is about 85-90% improved, but he still has major sensitivity to sound and odors, still has anxiety and focus issues. He just started an herbal antiviral and an herbal antibacterial. We plan on trying either the Paleo or Ketogenic diet soon. Watch the documentary “The Magic Pill” (currently on Netflix). It is amazing the impact diet has on physical and mental health. Also, Joe Rogan has a regular guest on his podcast, Chris Kresser. He promotes the Paleo diet and once used a specific example of a child with PANDAS symptoms (although he didn’t call it PANDAS) that was cured using the Paleo diet.
  25. 1 point
    Hitman3161

    IVIG at 25

    Thanks guys for your response. This is an unnerving time for me. Although, after the operation I was able to achieve complete symptomatic remission for 3-4 months and enjoyed a good period of health. I have responded positively to every treatment intervention so far. Positive response to abx, tonsillectomy etc. I understand that it may not work at my age, I have had a lot of social stress to deal with as well which has probably exacerbated the symptoms - I’ve dealt with social isolation for many years. I am going to trust my gut and go ahead with the treatment, I’ll keep you posted and updated for the benefit of others - as I’ll probably be one of the oldest to receive treatment and success would be highly reassuring for the rest of us adults. Thanks so much for your support. fingers crossed 🤞
  26. 1 point
    tj21

    LD vs HD IVIG

    Thanks, @maryangela . Just spoke w/DS18's PANS provider. Confirmed that b/c he was sick going into this latest HD IVIg, it will take longer for everything to calm down. We'll be doing HD every 3 months through November 2019. Good to hear about your DS13. We were also 80-90% improved January-March. Trying to get this current infection under control now.
  27. 1 point
    maryangela

    LD vs HD IVIG

    My DS 13 received 16 weekly LD (1/4 of HD) starting last November. It was extremely frustrating, because he would flare for 3-4 days, then start getting better, but would flare each time he had the treatment. In May of 2018 he had a HD. Huge improvement, which lasted about 6 weeks, then he began to decline. Had another HD two weeks ago. It was like magic. Immediate improvement. He will now receive monthly HD until the end of this year. Apparently, this is AE protocol. Could take 18 months. He is about 80% improved. His symptoms were severe.
  28. 1 point
    edsonr

    My Sons tics, sharing our story

    Hello I just wanted to share my story, and maybe it will help others. I'll try keep this focused and straight to the point. My son started his "noticeable" tics on Christmas eve 2017. Pediatrician said it's command and would go away, just not sure when. I started to get more and more concerned as frequency increased, at times it would be several times a minute. He had motor tics with his arms, then later shoulder shrugs, then neck turning, and facial tic (that we thought were just too much screen time). No vocal tics noticed. He had a bad diet being a bit picky, and would eat lots of candy, he would also get lots of tablet time. I had my share of sleepless nights thinking and worrying about him. I tipped off about the book "Natural Treatments for Tics and Tourettes..."..and that book, lifted my spirits, inspired me, gave me hope, and energized me to help my son. Here's what I implemented at home: (mind you, the night before I started making changes, he was sick with a fever and tic'ing restlessly) Bought magnesium gummies to give him Bought fish oil Cut the high fructose out of the diet started removing artificial flavors and colors cut down on screen time When he was sick for about a 8 day stretch, I started the plan above. He already hadn't been eating much since being sick, but we I started giving him magnesium supplement. He probably had magnesium supplement for about 6 days then he got better. We noticed immediate turnaround, for a good few days I didn't see 1 motor tic, which was going from several times a minute to maybe 1 all day. Just seeing it stop for 1 full day, confirmed to me that there is something we can do despite what the dr's say. We started to be more conciseness about what we feed our kids, and tried to get more nutrients in them. I had to explain to the both kids, that we all need to eat healthier, so we need to stop eating stuff that's bad for us. My son was all in, he always asks now if a certain food is healthy. About 2 months into being more healthy his motor tics were probably 90% gone, but he still had some facial tics. The crazy thing is even though he made great progress, just seeing a tic here and there could still sink my spirits. Thinking about his bad diet and him not being regular with his stool, got me thinking he may have leaky gut and that maybe he's not absorbing nutrients well. I know the battle may not be over yet, but I'm happy to report that he hasn't had a motor tic that i've seen in about 2 weeks, and the last week have not noticed many facial tics. This week he's also been more regular, going #2 every other day (previously it was 1-2 per week). What we're are currently doing: Supplements: Smarty Pants Multi (whch has omega 3) Smart Calm Magnesium gummies (they loooove, the taste of this one) Fiber gummy probiotic gummy Eating / Food: No High Fructose No Artificial Flavors No Artificial Colors Fruit / Veg smoothies Buy Organic when we can Cut down on fast food - there was a happy meal or 2 in the last 2 months Candy is not an everyday thing, special occasions and rewards Other: Cut down screen More board games Playing outside I still allow them to have candy here and there, but nothing like before. I just still want them to enjoy being a kid, so even at birthday parties, I'll let them splurge. I hope someone can takeaway something from my post, I know reading posts from others often lifted my spirits while I was going through some hard times with my childs tics. Feel free to ask me questions.....
  29. 1 point
    My son does not have Lyme, and the Ozone helped somewhat. The Cunningham Panel has become the standard lab used to show there is an autoimmune component to OCD and tic symptoms. Based on the results of the Cunningham Panel, my son’s doctor is treating him for autoimmune encephalitis. Do a Google search on Cunningham Panel or Cunningham Panel PANDAS. You can probably search within this forum also.
  30. 1 point
    Our son also had brief "absence seizures" at the beginning. We eventually tested for lyme, bart, babesia and others, but only ever found ehrlichiosis (another tick-borne infection).
  31. 1 point
    Others have provided some responses, but I would like to offer some input on the freeze while playing piano. Freezing while doing something can be classified as absence seizures. While usually pediatric in nature and outgrown, there is a similar symptom from Bartonella. So if your son is diagnosed with bartonella, this might be something triggered by that.
  32. 1 point
    I am so sorry you are going through a crisis period. Here’s what I can tell you from my experience...Two years ago, we finally found an MD willing to prescribe abx for my DS (now 13). His case was severe. 10 days into the 30-day high dose of Augmentin, be began to rapidly improve. It was nothing short of a miracle. Unfortunately, there was a 10-day gap between the 30-day high dose and the prophylactic dose, and he regressed, and were never able to recapture the success of the first abx. That summer my DS developed a yeast infection, and his symptoms escalated. He was out of his mind...hallucinations, new tics, aggression. For the past two years we have treated him for yeast. We use Gutpro, Saccharomyces Boulardii, and Candicid Forte. We have also tried rx yeast treatments (Nystatin). Had a scary experience with Diflucan, though. Currently my DS is not on abx. When he takes them, it’s always a matter of time before it impacts his liver function, and has to go off. He’s using an herbal antiviral, and he has had many IVIG treatments the past 15 months.
  33. 1 point
    lordchallen

    Extreme behavior

    Without going back and rereading what I might have said about Probiotics. . . . . in my humble opinion, they are a major key to getting this stuff under control. I'm not a doctor, and I don't even play one on TV, but the probiotics that are also called Psychobiotics, play a major role in the stomachaches, the anxieties, the anger, and obsessions. I adopted my DD, she was my great-niece, and we knew that there was some drug use involved during pregnancy. We were vigilant from the beginning. She was diagnosed with Sensory Processing Disorder at about almost 2 years old and we have been working with her on that stuff since there. But almost from the beginning, there has been stomach aches and pooping issues. We thought we had things handled things until they recently got much worse and her anxiety was out of control. Panic attacks at school, in the car, in the stores, at the therapists, etc. That is when the doctor tested for strep and diagnosed her with pandas. She was always getting strep. Anyway, the first probiotic (Culturelle) seemed to help overall. The next probiotic (Renewed Life) I gave almost completely killed the anxiety, but her ability to process frustration and injustice almost disappeared. That was a couple of days that ended in nightmare and the regretted behavior. The third probiotic (Pro-Kids-15) reduced anxiety and obsession and actually improved her ability to process frustration and injustice. She has had a couple of panic attack at school and she couldn't handle the school field trips, (which I drove her too) but overall is doing well. No near-psychotic moments where she tries to hurt herself or run away. I just just can't wait until school is over. I hope to use the summer to help her heal and prep for the next year. And doctors are great people to have your team, but I have found that I can be just as effective in helping my daughter as they can, using safe, non-restricted methods. My DD's doctors are good people, but I think it is impossible for them to care enough to treat this sort of thing. It takes parent(s) that care and know what is going on. Thanks for letting me share.
  34. 1 point
    maryangela

    Extreme behavior

    Wombat140– I am new to this forum, but have read a few of your posts. Your suffering reminds me of my son’s suffering. My son is rarely open to talking about his compulsions, but after dealing with his OCD for years, I’ve determined that all of his rages were due to his OCD being “blown”. Telling him to quiet down only makes the situation worse. The consequence does not matter, even if it involves a neighbor calling the police. Part of my son’s OCD was that he would need me or my husband to do something, but his OCD would not allow him to tell us what it was. For example, when triggered, he would need to change his clothes, then leave our apartment building. I would need to hold the door open in a certain way, but he couldn’t tell me how. He would change his clothes and go in and out of the building hundreds of times a day. One night he repeated this compulsion continously from 7 pm until 7am. He would change his clothes and I would walk around the block with him. It didn’t matter that it was in the middle of winter. I truly didn’t think we would live through this. My son will tell me that he is not being manipulative. The way I see it is that his OCD is manipulating him, which sometimes involves needing others to behave a certain way. He is not choosing to have these thoughts. My son is 80-90% better, since IVIG treatments, which started this past November. I hope you find relief soon.
  35. 1 point
    MomWithOCDSon

    Extreme behavior

    I'm so sorry, Lordchallen. That all sounds awful. But, unfortunately, these sorts of "rages" appear to be part and parcel of some kids' PANDAS behavior set. Usually brought on by severe and unrelenting frustration, knowing that their behavior isn't what it once was, isn't what it should be with respect to age-appropriateness, but to a large extent out of their control because their brains are so disordered currently, their executive functioning so challenged. As for why those behaviors seem to get worse or more extreme in the evening as compared to the morning? I had a psychologist give me a metaphor once that painted a pretty good picture. Your kid gets up in the morning and it's a new day; everything yesterday is behind her, and she has a chance to "do it right" today. So the morning is about as full of optimism as the day is going to get. And then she goes to school or goes about her day, and because she's around peers or non-parent adults, she's doing her best to keep it all together. So she sucks up her anxiety and distress for much of the day, trying to "be normal." And like a glass that's slowing filling up with all of that angst and frustration, she's got those reserves, under the surface. But by the end of the day, that glass is full, and at the next incident that's frustrating or anxiety-producing, it's overflowing because there's just nowhere to stuff it any longer. And she's in a "safe" space at home and with her family, so she's not forced to suck it up any longer like she is at school or around her friends or their families. And she probably couldn't by that time of day anyway, even if she tried, because the glass/her reservoir is full, tapped out. It's really hard because you don't want to excuse these rages as acceptable, but at the same time, you know there's an extent to which she can't control them. And she clearly doesn't want to have them, either. I would maybe try a few things. 1) Is there any chance she might have some excessive yeast growth going on due to antibiotic use? I know you're using probiotics, but sometimes that doesn't do the trick for all kids. Excessive yeast can make some kids more combative/ragey. 2) Maybe during a weekend morning or mid-day, you could have a "family meeting" and talk through some strategies with her, while she's calmer and she's in better command of her behavior and her emotions. Let her know you know she doesn't like those rages and is as distressed by them as you are, so let's figure out ways to de-escalate the situation, rather than fuel it. Maybe she can go into her room for a bit and listen to music or just sit by herself or with you quietly for a few minutes until she feels calmer? Maybe find a few things or activities that she finds pleasant and calming that could be brought in when she's overwhelmed or "topped out," if only for a few minutes at a time. 3) Have you tried using an anti-inflammatory in the evenings, like an Ibuprofen? We found that using this as a medicinal therapy after dinner seemed to help my DS to muscle through evening activities (homework) without getting quite so worked up or frustrated. I think it helped tamp down the inflammation enough so that he could think a little more clearly and not have quite such a quick trigger for frustration. WIshing you the best.
  36. 1 point
    Sheila

    will these tics ever go away?

    Hi mlee, and welcome to the forums. I'm sorry that your son has been having some tics. Seeking help from a good naturopathic doctor is a great step to take. I hope you will let us know what foods come up as problematic. That should give you some good direction. You can also ask this person for suggestions on nutrient supplements. Charting is also a terrific step, though I know it can seem overwhelming, as you say. It will get easier with time. Keep it up--but also, only take on as much as you can without stressing yourself too much. If your son has a problem with gluten-- and not everyone with tics does -- it can take some time for improvement to be seen. I would give it a couple of weeks, and even then do not expect a dramatic change immediately as it can be a gradual change, and there may be other issues going on as well. Our organization has a new book out on tracking down triggers for tics. You might find it useful. Also, I think it would encourage you, because you asked if people are able to get the tics under control, and yes, many do and some of their accounts are in this book. But it can take a comprehensive effort, not just one or two things that usually bring about all the change. Have you already had a chance to make other changes in the diet like avoiding artificial colors, flavors and preservatives in food and drink? What we have found is that a three-pronged approach can often help: 1) dietary change, 2) avoiding allergens (is your child or immediate family allergic?) and 3) avoiding toxic products typically used in the home like bleach, scented products, pesticides. In addition to the above, you want to be sure there is not an underlying infection. Please get back to us and let us know a little more and also what the naturopath suggests about the food testing. And you should definitely have hope! You have already taken some very positive steps.
  37. 1 point
    Joyle

    Where to find Clerodendrum Inerme extract?

    Hi everyone, Yes, the plant Clerodendrum inerme does work to reduce tics and other comorbids very effectively. We have discovered it doesn't work for everyone but it has helped many. The Facebook group is called Natural Care for Tics and Tourettes. There are lengthy discussions there about this plant which we have nicknamed cleo. It can be taken as a green juice or in capsules after dehydrating and powdering the leaves or as a tincture or as a homeopathic remedy. The only restriction is you will need to source the plant and grow it in a pot or your own backyard. The safety profile of the plant is exemplary. Please also do your own research to satisfy yourselves .... there is a wealth of information about Clerodendrum inerme on the Internet. Kind regards, Joy
  38. 1 point
    My 10 yr old son was diagnosed with PANS by an integrative medicine doctor by the name of Mae Kinaly in Irivine, CA. We live in Manhattan Beach in LA county. She did a ton of blood work, in depth history and immediately started him on azithromycin and supplements. She is a little kooky but I feel is a very in depth doctor with my son's best interests at heart. She does offer IVIG. We also went to Dr. Miroslav Kovacevic in Chiago for a second opinion and ultimately IVIG. Hope that helps.
  39. 1 point
    ALSO NEED SO. CAL DOCTOR: We are brand new to the PANS or PANDAS idea and are looking for a PANS or PANDAS dr. in So. Cal. My daughter had acute onset symptoms of anxiety, OCD and ODD (which we didn't immediately identify) two years ago at age 14. She went into screaming rages, insisted on sleeping with us in our room, didn't want to ever be alone, and had extreme behaviors incl. jumping out of a moving car. We thought it was extreme teen rebellious behavior. We started w/ CBT and In the chance that something neurological was going on, and that it was possibly food related, we instituted the Feingold diet which removes all artificial colors, artificial flavors, and artificial preservatives (primarily BHT, TBHQ, and BHA). It also decreases the amount of salicylates taken in from whole foods. We also found that she reacted strongly food high in oxalates. The CBT and dietary changes have helped esp. w/ the ODD but she's still struggling w/ focus and OCD behaviors. We really need to get to the bottom of this if possible. It's crippled her high school path completely. We're looking into Dr. K in Irvine, but I'd like to know if there are any others. PM is fine. Thank you for any suggestions.
  40. 1 point
    Hello, My son has been suffering with PANS/PANDAS since age 8. He is now 14. He was diagnosed at age 11 by a PANDAS doctor after a few years of having standard mental health treatment without success. After two years of antibiotics he received IVIG and six week post-IVIG became significantly worse. Our doctor had never seen this before. We called Dr. K. in Chicago who said my son probably still had strep in his tonsils. We were unable to get a doctor to remove his tonsils based on the PANDAS diagnosis alone. One ENT gave him clindamycin which has a history of getting into tonsils better. His PANDAS doctor then ordered the Cunninham Panel which was negative. My son did not want to participate in their study. We were left with returning to conventional neurology for the tourette symptoms and psychiatry for the OCD. A new neurologist/psychiatrist (a conventional mainstream doctor) heard our story and thought we should try the IVIG again. We did a second round and my son improved greatly then after the third round he's like his old self (as much as I can remember him after all these years.) It feels like a miracle to me. Although he's not 100% better it's remarkable enough for everyone in his life to notice. I'm not sure what helped this time. Maybe the clindamycin before the IVIG? Do not give up based on a Cunningham Panel. It is still experimental. I was crying when the doctor told me it was negative and IVIG would not work for my son. I was certain it was PANDAS. They (Cunningham) are still looking for markers and the current panel does not cover all possible markers which is why they ask families to participate in the research to find new markers. If I had turned down the offer for more IVIG based on the other doctor's recommendation from the results of the Cunningham Panel my son would not be on his way back to wholeness today. His tics are almost completely gone after years of severe tics and anxiety is very low. Almost normal. Of course after years of being in the grips of PANDAS my son has much catching up to do with peers. We still have much healing to do. I'm not sure he will ever catch up but at least now he has a chance. Good luck to everyone. Eva
  41. 1 point
    Hi, I've read several testimonies/blogs were essential oils cured PANS/PANDAS in children. Young Living Oils has the Raindrop technique with specific oils for autoimmune disorders. I reached out to PANDAS Hope for Healing twice last year and never got a response.
  42. 1 point
    Would love the same referral please for a Pans/Pandas doctor in Southern California who also is LLMD. Need a specialist in busting biofilms, Would love to find eastern or western approach at this point. Thank you!
  43. 1 point
    Did you receive a recommendation for a PANDAS doc in Orange County? I live in OC as well and have a good integrative medicine doctor that we have been using. My DS has also been diagnosed with Lyme so now I'm spreading out to an LLMD but up to now I've been happy with our integrative medicine doctor - she is very thorough and caring. Let me know if you'd like a referral and I'll private message you.
  44. 1 point
    If your child has Myamotoi Borrelia it would NOT have come up positive on standard Lyme test. It has different proteins and not testable at this time. Borrelia Spirochetes can be sexually transmitted and also passed from mother to child in-utero. We have 3 children with gestational Lyme et al PANS/PANDAS/Autism. I PM'd you a list of Dr.'s. One is located in Santa Barbara for you plus some really good Dr.'s/NP's in Bay Area. 2 of the NPs listed have children with PANS/PANDAS. Look in upper right hand corner for PM message.
  45. 1 point
    Your child's Periodic Fever Syndrome as a toddler has me concerned there are other potential infections involved. Many of us found that although strep was an obvious trigger there were other underlying infections or viruses. Borrelia Miyamotoi is the more predominate TBI (tick born infection) in CA and is not testable via any standard Lyme test. Borrelia Miyamoti is also known to cause relapsing fevers. Here is a little blurb and you can google Borrelia Migamotoi Relapsing Fever for more references. Borrelia miyamotoi is a relapsing fever Borrelia group spirochete that is transmitted by the same hard-bodied (ixodid) tick species that transmit the agents of Lyme disease. Tick Study in CA: http://www.bayarealyme.org/about-lyme/what-causes-lyme-disease/borrelia-miyamotoi/ http://www.cdc.gov/ticks/miyamotoi.html I would highly recommend seeing an LLMD (Lyme Literate Dr.) that understands PANS/PANDAS to investigate further for your son. We have wonderful LLMDs in Northern CA that are very well versed in PANS and/or PANDAS if you are willing to travel. Please PM via the forum for referrals. Does your child have a known tick bite at any point in his life?
  46. 1 point
    Hi Everyone. I just had to sign up to this forum to let you all know that Clerodendrum inerme has dramatically helped my sons tics .It is truly a miracle plant! We live in South Africa and I sent my husband to India in 2012 to source the plant which now grows as a bush in our yard. My sons tics began at age 3 (started with eye blinking, shoulder shrugging, got worse and worse...etc.) After years of research and tears,our prayers to Allah were answered when I came across the study on Clerodendrum Inerme for tics. My son is 10 years old now. And a 'normal' little boy in every way.We dehydrate the leaves, grind them fine and put the powder into capsules . We used to liquidize the leaves with water and strain, but he could not handle the bitterness. Right from the first dose there was a major improvement. In the beginning I would give him the juice twice a week, then once a week , then once a month. He can now tolerate all kinds of foods that were once forbidden. He will have 2-3 capsules every 2-3 months or so when I notice he is stressed about something or has gone overboard on junk food. A day later and he is fine again. I promised that if the plant worked I would share this amazing information and I pray for all the children and parents that you derive benefit from it.
  47. 1 point
    MomWithOCDSon

    Looking for success stories

    Welcome to the forum, but sorry your family has been forced to deal with PANDAS/PANs. As you do some reading here, you'll find that our stories, including treatment protocols, can vary widely. What does seem to be a thru-line to some extent, however, are commonalities among behaviors that we see in our kids when they're sick. There's some commonality in response to various medications and supplements, too, but not always. Time frames vary dramatically, also; I have my suspicions that this variance has to do with age at diagnosis, length of time the child was suffering due to PANDAS/PANs but went incorrectly diagnosed prior to diagnosis and treatment, and similar temporal differences. My DS was diagnosed with "regular OCD" at age 6 and went through a second "flare" or exacerbation at about 7.5 years. We inquired about PANDAS with ped, therapist, and ultimately a psych as well but were told it wasn't "real," and since our DS was classically asymptomatic for strep, we couldn't demonstrate a link, either. So we treated with therapy and finally an SSRI (Lexapro) until he turned 12. At 12, he completely flipped out. Went from being fully functional, funny, social, academically gifted, to a basket case. Couldn't read, sleep, play, eat. Psych kept switching up psych meds . . . different doses, different formulas. Nothing worked, and he just got worse. "Saving Sammy" and subsequent email conversations with its author, Beth Maloney, turned our attention back to PANDAS/PANS, particularly since Sammy was classically asymptomatic also. Ultimately, we were able to prove some atypical immune response through blood tests, and our ped was, gratefully, willing to give us an abx trial. Based on Sammy's protocol and our DS's similarity to Sammy in terms of age, behavior set, etc., we began with Augmentin XR, 1,000 mg., twice daily. When I found this forum and connected with a number of other families and great minds who were deep into the latest research, helping their own families and others, too, we began to explore other supplements that could assist DS with respect to immune balance and behavior; we also found a PANDAS-literate psych and reduced his SSRI dose and changed the med, as well, to Zoloft. We looked into IVIG but did not pursue it for a number of reasons, not the least of which was DS was so positively responsive to abx, we didn't entirely see the need for another, more expensive intervention. DS was on the XR for nearly 2 years; we slowly weaned him off the last 4 months or so. He also continued on Zoloft and certain supplements we found seemed to help him on an ongoing basis: NAC, B6, zinc, quercitin, omegas and magnesium. We also kept him on probiotics (sach b. and a mixed flora) during the abx and for quite some time afterward. ERP therapy was also his constant companion, twice each week for the first year or so following his PANDAS dx, and then edging off slowly as we saw him gaining more traction over the OCD, and as we became more and more literate as parents in terms of helping him beat back the OCD at home, rather than accommodating it. He's now 17 and I consider him a success story. He can now maintain his health -- mental and physical -- even when exposed to strep. He's been off abx for nearly 3 years, though he continues on a low-dose SSRI. I've found a compounding vitamin supplier and have been able to order a custom blend multivitamin for him that contains the things we know help, and leaves out the components we've seen can have negative impacts for him. He is back to his functional self -- funny, fun, bright, in AP and honors classes in his senior year in high school, has friends, etc. He still contends with some OCD; whether or not that's because he was dealing with that for 6 years before we were successful in getting PANDAS intervention I can't say for sure, but that's what I suspect. His brain was being wired those 6 years, so undoing that will likely continue to take some time. I wish you all the best, and from our experience I will offer two key perspectives: 1) time is an important component in the healing process; and 2) don't ever give up!
  48. 1 point
    A new scale for parents to rate the severity of obsessive compulsive symptoms and 11 associated neuropsychiatric symptoms (i.e., anxiety, moodiness, sleep disturbance) is in the development phase and available for use. The current scale is based on the clinical experience of doctors Susan Swedo, Miroslav Kovacevic, Beth Latimer, and James Leckman, with the help of parents Diana Pohlman, Keith Moore, and others. Instructions to complete and score the scale are included throughout the document. ACN appreciates that Dr. James Leckman, Professor of Child Psychiatry, Psychiatry, Psychology and Pediatrics at Yale, has given us permission to share the scale here. We hope it will be helpful to parents. Click here to view and print the scale.
  49. 1 point
    dut

    vision zooming in/out

    Hi - my dd had something that may be similar... during an episode about a couple of years ago, when she went to bed she said that it looked as though I (lying on the bed with her) was miles away and she would look round the room and everything felt as though it was too far away. It would correct itself for a bit and then I and other things would be too far away again. It only happened at bedtime (which is a low point for her when things crop up that might not be evident at other times of the day). It went away after a couple of months. Both I and my sister get something which I believe to be similar but maybe not.... we get kinda proprioceptive changes of a sort. When we're tired sometimes, normally laying in bed at night, we feel as though one of our digits or sometimes a leg has grown to super enormous size. Not a bad but strange feeling, as though a thumb, say, has suddenly ballooned to 20 times it usual size. My dd's sight thingy felt as though it was along the same lines, a perception type issue rather than actual shifting in vision.... dunno... hope you work it out, good luck...
  50. 1 point
    Hi Claire, although we did food sensitivity testing when my son was young (4yo) and again after his TS diagnosis(10yo) and also specific food elimination when we were detoxing from candida(yeast), my son does NOT have any food allergies or sensitivities, other than to artificial ingredients. He showed only a slight reactivity to peanuts, but now seems to tolerate them just fine. He does however react big time to artificial sweeteners, colors, flavors, high fructose corn syrup, preservatives and MSG and so we totally avoid these.


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