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http://www.mothering.com/discussions/forumdisplay.php?f=47 Momtezuma Tuatara is an awesome resource on this forum and she has just had a book published.

The Double Danger of High Fructose Corn Syrup http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/highfructose.html Battling the "MSG Myth" http://www.msgmyth.com/ *sorry no url for this Flavor Enhancers > > Monosodium glutamate (MSG), hydrolyzed soy protein, > > autolyzed yeast extract, disodium guanylate or > > inosinate > > There are over 40 food ingredients besides > > "monosodium glutamate" that contain processed free > > glutamic acid (MSG). Each, according to the FDA, > > must be called by its own, unique, "common or usual > > name." "Autolyzed yeast," "maltodextrin," "sodium > > caseinate," and "soy sauce" are the common or usual > > names of some ingredients that contain MSG. Unlike > > the ingredient called "monosodium glutamate," they > > give the consumer no clue that there is MSG in the > > ingredient. > > > > > > Sweetners > > Sucrose (sugar), > > glucose, fructose, > > sorbitol, mannitol, > > corn syrup, > > high fructose > > corn syrup, > > saccharin, > > aspartame, > > sucralose, > > acesulfame > > potassium > > (acesulfame-K), > > neotame > > > > Preservatives > > Ascorbic acid, > > citric acid, > > sodium benzoate, > > calcium propionate, > > sodium erythorbate, > > sodium nitrite, > > calcium sorbate, > > potassium sorbate, > > BHA, BHT, EDTA, tocopherols (Vitamin E) > > > > Autolyzed, hydrolyzed, glutamate, glutamic acid, > > hydrolyzed, autolyzed > > HIDDEN SOURCES > > OF PROCESSED FREE GLUTAMIC ACID (MSG) > > NAMES OF INGREDIENTS THAT CONTAIN ENOUGH MSG > > TO SERVE AS COMMON MSG-REACTION TRIGGERS > > The MSG-reaction is a reaction to free glutamic acid > > that occurs in food as a consequence of manufacture. > > MSG-sensitive people do not react to protein (which > > contains bound glutamic acid) or any of the minute > > amounts of free glutamic acid that might be found in > > unadulterated, unfermented, food. > > These ALWAYS contain MSG > > > > > > Glutamate Glutamic acid Gelatin > > Monosodium glutamate Calcium caseinate Textured > > protein > > Monopotassium glutamate Sodium caseinate Yeast > > nutrient > > Yeast extract Yeast food Autolyzed yeast > > Hydrolyzed protein > > (any protein that is hydrolyzed) Hydrolyzed corn > > gluten Natrium glutamate (natrium is Latin/German > > for sodium) > > > > > > These OFTEN contain MSG or create MSG during > > processing > > > > > > > > Carrageenan Maltodextrin Malt extract > > Natural pork flavoring Citric acid Malt flavoring > > Bouillon and Broth Natural chicken flavoring Soy > > protein isolate > > Natural beef flavoring Ultra-pasteurized Soy sauce > > Stock Barley malt Soy sauce extract > > Whey protein concentrate Pectin Soy protein > > Whey protein Protease Soy protein concentrate > > Whey protein isolate Protease enzymes Anything > > protein fortified > > Flavors(s) & Flavoring(s) Anything enzyme modified > > Anything fermented > > Natural flavor(s) > > & flavoring(s) Enzymes anything Seasonings > > (the word "seasonings") > > > > In ADDITION... > > > > The new game is to label hydrolyzed proteins as pea > > protein, whey protein, corn protein, etc. If a pea, > > for example, were whole, it would be identified as a > > pea. Calling an ingredient pea protein indicates > > that the pea has been hydrolyzed, at least in part, > > and that processed free glutamic acid (MSG) is > > present. Relatively new to the list are wheat > > protein and soy protein. > > Disodium guanylate and disodium inosinate are > > expensive food additives that work synergistically > > with inexpensive MSG. Their use suggests that the > > product has MSG in it. They would probably not be > > used as food additives if there were no MSG present. > > > > > > MSG reactions have been reported to soaps, shampoos, > > hair conditioners, and cosmetics, where MSG is > > hidden in ingredients that include the words > > "hydrolyzed," "amino acids," and "protein." > > > > Low fat and no fat milk products often include milk > > solids that contain MSG. > > > > Drinks, candy, and chewing gum are potential sources > > of hidden MSG and of aspartame and neotame. Aspartic > > acid, found in neotame and aspartame (NutraSweet), > > ordinarily causes MSG type reactions in MSG > > sensitive people. Aspartame is found in some > > medications, including children's medications. > > Neotame is relatively new and we have not yet seen > > it used widely. Check with your pharmacist. > > > > Binders and fillers for medications, nutrients, and > > supplements, both prescription and non-prescription, > > enteral feeding materials, and some fluids > > administered intravenously in hospitals, may contain > > MSG. > > > > According to the manufacturer, Varivaxâ€"Merck > > chicken pox vaccine (Varicella Virus Live), contains > > L-monosodium glutamate and hydrolyzed gelatin both > > of which contain processed free glutamic acid (MSG) > > which causes brain lesions in young laboratory > > animals, and causes endocrine disturbances like > > OBESITY and REPRODUCTIVE disorders later in life. > > It would appear that most, if not all, live virus > > vaccines contain MSG. > > > > Reactions to MSG are dose related, i.e., some people > > react to even very small amounts. MSG-induced > > reactions may occur immediately after ingestion or > > after as much as 48 hours.

Although I haven't read of anyone here having symptoms like this, I thought it may be important to someone who reads but doesn't post. I'm referring to Shells post, 2nd one down. http://www.wemove.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?/topic/5/175.html

http://www.jaapa.com/issues/j20060501/arti.../letter0506.htm More debate about vaccines and autism To the Editor: On behalf of SafeMinds, the largest non-profit organization supporting research into mercury and neurological outcomes, we applaud the authors of "Vaccines, thimerosol, and neurodevelopmental outcomes" (CSAC Special Report, /JAAPA, /January 2006, page 16) for investigating thimerosal-containing vaccines (TCVs). We agree that, "inaccurate information has been promulgated to the general population and clinicians alike." Unfortunately, the article contains errors which are addressed in this correspondence and have been grouped into the following categories: effectiveness and safety, comparative toxicity, exposure guidelines, past and current exposures, and Institute of Medicine (IOM) concerns. (Our original unabridged response with full citations is available at www.safeminds.org <http://www.safeminds.org>.) *Thimerosal Effectiveness and Safety.* The authors erroneously stated, "thimerosal kills bacteria and effectively prevents bacterial contamination" and "before thimerosal was introduced as a vaccine preservative, data were available providing evidence that it is both safe and effective." A 1975 FDA panel reviewed evidence dating back to 1928 and issued reports in 1980 and 1982 concluding, "thimerosal was no better than water in protecting mice from potential fatal streptococcal infections."^1 In 1948, it was found to be ineffective as a "disinfectant, germicide and antiseptic."^2 In 1981, its use in TCVs resulted in clusters of Group A streptococcus infections.^3 In 2004, Chiron, the manufacturer of Fluvirin, a TCV, was forced to close one of its plants because it was contaminated with Serratia marcescens.^4 Moreover, because "no clinical studies were found that formally evaluated the safety of thimerosal prior to its initial marketing", the FDA nominated thimerosal for evaluation by the National Toxicology Program.^5 Demonstrating FDA concerns regarding a lack of safety data, a 1935 study found that thimerosal was "35.3 times more toxic for embryonic chick heart tissue than for Staphylococcus aureus".^6 *Comparative Toxicities.* The authors also err in stating, "data indicate that methylmercury is more toxic than ethylmercury." Only one relevant side-by-side comparison of ethyl and methylmercury exists and ethylmercury was found to be more harmful. The 2005 NIH-funded study compared brain mercury levels in infant primates exposed to equal parts of: 1) injected thimerosal and 2) ingested methylmercury.^7 The thimerosal metabolite, ethylmercury, rapidly converted to inorganic mercury (the toxic form). Ethylmercury-exposed primate brains contained twice as much inorganic mercury compared to methylmercury-exposed primates. Microgliosis and neuroinflammation was observed in primate brain tissue^8 and in tissue of autistic brains.^9 Additionally, thimerosal has more potent immune-altering properties than methylmercury.^10 *Mercury Exposure Guidelines.* The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) guideline does not "recommend that no more than of 0.1 mcg/kg of methylmercury be injected daily in special population groups including neonates, infants, children, and pregnant women." The EPA guideline suggests that, on average, it is probably safe for an adult to ingest up to 0.1 mcg/kg/day of methylmercury in food. The 10-fold safety factor in the guideline is because of uncertainty in the assumptions about inter-individual variability and fetal brain sensitivity.^11 A few large bolus exposures administered to infants has a different physiological effect than many small doses administered daily. Intermittent large exposures of mercury, a cumulative neurotoxin, are more likely to put children at risk for deficits in language, attention, and memory.^12 There are no guidelines issued by any entity that identify a safe bolus dose of mercury by any route of administration for a fetus, neonate, infant or child. *Past and Current Mercury Exposures.* At least two studies documented blood mercury levels in infants following administration of TCVs that exceed the CDC adult toxic exposure limits of >10mcg/L (50 nmol/L).^13 A mercury blood level of 20.55 nmol/L was observed five days after a 37.5 mcg exposure from two TCVs.^14 Another study observed a level of 23.6 mcg/L after a 12.5 mcg exposure from one TCV.^15 Infants may have routinely experienced peak blood mercury levels of 48.3 nmol/L;^16 well above the presumed safety threshold of 29.0 nmol/L. Throughout 1990's and beyond, most infants had 62.5 mcg exposures from three TCVs at the two-month visit. Depending on the manufacturer, the influenza TCV given to infants and pregnant women contains either 2,000 or 50,000 parts per billion (ppb) of mercury. EPA requires liquid waste exceeding 250 ppb to be sent to a special hazardous waste landfill. Drinking water cannot exceed 2 ppb. *Institute of Medicine.* In 2001, the IOM concluded that the evidence was inadequate to accept or reject a causal relationship between thimerosal exposure from childhood vaccines and neurodevelopmental disorders and found the hypothesis to be biologically plausible. It also recommended using thimerosal-free vaccines.^17 In 2004, the IOM panel focused solely on autism, leaving the 2001 conclusions on neurodevelopmental effects intact. The 2004 autism review ignored pre-publication data from clinical studies and instead relied on published epidemiological studies; in particular, the Hviid Demark study.^18 Many methodological flaws have been cited in that Denmark and the U.S. had different vaccine schedules and thimerosal exposure levels, and many children in one age cohort were "lost" between observation periods impairing use of trend analysis techniques and introducing bias.^19 The study also claimed that Danish autism rates increased after TCVs were discontinued in 1992 but simultaneously, official autism counts shifted from only including hospital cases to also including outpatient cases. The authors conceded that the association may be spurious. A study of this caliber is unsuited for formulating national public health policy or sufficient to exonerate a potent neurotoxin. Much of the rest of the developed world has discontinued use of TCVs. Russia banned it 20 years ago and now, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Austria, Netherlands, Japan and the United Kingdom have followed suit. Earlier this year, the European Parliament passed a resolution calling for an investigation of the health impact of ethylmercury in vaccines "with a view to restriction of such use and a total ban." In the U.S., a 1999 Joint Statement issued by leading health organizations stated, "thimerosal-containing vaccines should be removed as soon as possible." Seven years later, thimerosal is still in U.S. vaccines and with the new influenza recommendations, the cumulative dose per body weight to the fetus and to children is approaching maximum 1990's exposure levels. SafeMinds seeks to end the adverse health effects caused by the unnecessary use of mercury in medicines. Failure to discontinue prescribing TCVs to infants and pregnant women here and in the developing world exposes the most vulnerable among us to needless risk for neurological damage. We encourage the AAPA to communicate new scientific findings on behalf of its members and their patients. Respectfully, Vicky Debold, RN, PhD SafeMinds Research Committee Lyn Redwood, RN, MSN President SafeMinds *REFERENCES* 1. Engley FB. Evaluation of mercurial compounds as antiseptics. /Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences./ 1950;53:197-206. 2. Morton HE, North LL, and Engley FB. The bacteriostatic and bactericidal actions of some mercurial compounds on hemolytic streptococci. /JAMA./ 1948;136(1):37-41. 3. Bernier RH, Frank JA Jr., Nolan TF Jr. (1981). Abscesses complicating DPT vaccination. /American Journal of Diseases of Children./ 135:826-828. 4. Smith S. Safety fears cut vaccine for flu. Priority urged for the aged, frail. /Boston Globe./ (October 6, 2004). Available at: http://www.boston.com/news/globe/health_sc...for_flu?mode=PF . Accessed February 2, 2006. 5. Food and Drug Administration, Center for Biologics Evaluation. Thimerosal [54-64-8] Nomination to the National Toxicology Program. Review of the Literature. (April 2001). Available at http://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/ntp/htdocs/Chem_B.../Thimerosal.pdf . Accessed February 2, 2006. 6. Salle AJ and Lazarus AS. A comparison of the resistance of bacteria and embryonic tissue to germicidal substances. I. Merthiolate. /Proceedings of the Society for Experimental Biology and Medicine./ 1935;32:665-667. 7. Burbacher TM, Shen DD, Liberato N, et al. Comparison of blood and brain mercury levels I infant monkeys exposed to methylmercury or vaccines containing thimerosal. /Environmental Health Perspectives./ 2005;113(8):1015-1021. 8. Charleston J, Body R, Bolerder R, et al. Changes in the number of astrocytes and microglia in the thalamus of the monkey Macaca Fascicularis following long-term subclinical methylmercury exposure. /Neurotoxicology./ 1996;17:127-138. 9. Vargas DL, Nascimbene C, Krishnan C, et al. Neuroglial activation and neuroinflammation in the brain of patients with autism. /Annals of Neurology./ 2005;57(1):67-81. 10. Havarinasab S, Haggqvist B, Bjorn B, et al. 2005. Immunosuppressive and autoimmune effects of thimerosal in mice. /Toxicol Appl Pharmacol./ 204:109-121. 11. National Academy of Sciences. (2000). Toxicological Effects of Methylmercury. Committee on the Toxicological Effects of Mercury, National Research Council, National Academy Press: Washington, DC. 12. Grandjean P, Weihe P, White RF, et al. Cognitive performance of children prenatally exposed to "safe" levels of methylmercury. /Environmental Research./ 1998;77(2):165-172. 13. Belson MG, Schier JG and Patel MM. Case definitions for chemical poisoning. /MMWR./ 2005;54(RR-1):1-25. 14. Pichichero ME, Cernichiari E, Lopreiato J, et al. Mercury concentrations and metabolism in infants receiving vaccines containing thimerosal: a descriptive study. /Lancet./ 2002;360:1737-41. 15. Stajich GV, Lopez GP, Harry SW, et al. Iatrogenic exposure to mercury after Hepatitis B vaccination in preterm infants. /J Pediatrics./ 2000;135(5):679-81. 16. Halsey N, Goldman L. Mercury in infants given vaccines containing thimerosal. Correspondence. /Lancet./ 2003;361(9358):698-699. 17. Immunization Safety Review Committee. Immunization Safety Review: Vaccines and Autism. Washington, DC: National Academy of Sciences; 2001. 18. Hviid A, Stellfeld M, Wohlfahrt J, et al. Association between thimerosal-containing vaccine and autism. /JAMA./ 2003;290(13):1763-1766. 19. Bernard S. Analysis of the Danish Autism Registry database in response to Hviid et al. paper on thimerosal in /JAMA./ (October, 2003). Available at http://www.safeminds.org/research/docs/Hvi...ndsAnalysis.pdf Accessed February 2, 2006. /* The authors respond:*/ We appreciate Dr. Debold and Ms. Redwood taking the time to respond to our article on "Vaccines, thimerosol, and neurodevelopmental outcomes."^1 SafeMinds has been on the vanguard in educating the public on what SafeMinds believe to be the unsafe use of mercury-based preservatives in childhood vaccinations. We appreciate and share SafeMinds' interest in protecting children from disease and harm. However, we disagree with their assessment that thimerosal and its metabolite, ethylmercury, are the causative agents in autism spectrum disorders (ASD). Although we value Debold's and Redwood's thoughtful response to our article we do not find their arguments compelling. We support the findings of Hviid et al,^2 the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and the Institute of Medicine. These and other compelling data find the harms attributed to thimerosal to be unproven. While Debold and Redwood extensively critique the studies used by the IOM's Immunization Safety Review Committee for its 2001 and 2004 reports,^3,4 the studies used to support SafeMinds' position appear less rigorous and less methodologically sound. We find it much more likely that other yet unidentified genetic or environmental insults, along with better surveillance and recognition of ASDs, are behind the increasing prevalence of autism. We are most compelled by the fact that vaccinations are very effective at preventing several debilitating and life-threatening childhood diseases. On balance, we believe the proven benefits of vaccinations for our children far outweigh the risks. Despite the unproven risks associated with thimerosal, we support the joint statement of June 2000 by the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Academy of Family Physicians, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, and the Public Health Service encouraging the removal of thimerosal from vaccines.^5 Ultimately, it is parents' responsibility to discuss their child's immunizations with their health care provider, and physician assistants should be fully prepared to address any concerns parents might have about vaccine safety. *REFERENCES* 1. Herman L, Gerbert D, Larson L, et al. CSAC Special Report. Vaccines, thimerosal, and neurodevelopmental outcomes. /JAAPA/. 2006;19(1):16,18-19. 2. Hviid A, Stellfeld M, Wohlfahrt J, Melbye M. Association between thimerosal-containing vaccine and autism. /JAMA./ 2003;290(13):1763-1766. 3. Immunization Safety Review Committee, Board on Health Promotion and Disease Prevention. /Immunization Safety Review: Thimerosal-Containing Vaccines and Neurodevelopmental Disorders. /Stratton K, Gable A, McCormick M, eds. Washington, DC: National Academies Press; 2001. 4. Immunization Safety Review Committee, Board on Health Promotion and Disease Prevention. /Immunization Safety Review: Vaccines and Autism./ Washington, DC: National Academies Press; 2004. 5. Joint statement concerning removal of thimerosal from vaccines. The AmericanAcademy of Family Physicians, American Academy of Pediatrics, Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, and United States Public Health Service. Approved June 22, 2000. * The material in this post is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. 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Autism Study on Promising Supplement Approved Natural Cellular Defense (NCD), a safe, natural, inert mineral supplement has generated many encouraging reports from parents of autistic children. NCD has attracted the interest of some of the leading autism researchers and physicians. A randomized, double- blind, placebo-controlled study designed to evaluate the benefits of NCD Zeolite on Autism Spectrum Disorders was approved by BioMed IRB on June 7, 2006. San Diego, California - June 7, 2006 BioMed IRB of San Diego, California has approved a clinical trial that seeks to evaluate the benefits of adding a patented supplement, NCD zeolite, to the diet of children diagnosed with Autism Spectrum Disorders. Natural Cellular Defense is purified clinoptilolite, a type of zeolite, suspended in solution. The zeolite is purified using a patented process and named NCD Zeolite™. This form of zeolite is one of the few negatively charged minerals in nature, and it has a microscopic honeycomb-like crystalline structure of cavities and cages. Animal studies show that they have the ability to attract, trap, bind and remove various heavy metals and toxins such as mercury, lead and arsenic. The study's eighty autistic children will be divided into two groups. One group is receiving the NCD zeolite and the other the placebo for ninety days. Both groups will be measured using a variety of established instruments for autism diagnosis and treatment evaluation. Further, since other animal and human studies with zeolite have demonstrated the ability for zeolite to remove heavy metals, a portion of the participants will receive a series of urine excretion tests designed to detect levels of heavy metal excretion. If previous studies in adults hold true for these autistic children, the researchers may see excretion rates as high as 10 times over their baseline. At the end of the ninety day study period, those receiving the placebo will then begin taking the NCD and be tracked for ninety more days. Two sites have been approved so far. In Plano, Texas, Dr. Seshagiri Rao, a Board Certified Pediatrician is the lead investigator. The second site, in Baton Rouge, Louisiana is lead by Dr. Stephanie Cave. Both sites have begun recruiting for study participants. Visit www.ZeoliteAutismStudy.com to learn how to apply. Professor James Adams, PhD will conduct the study data analysis. Dr. Adams has previously published studies on the high level of mercury toxicity common in many autistic children. Other studies suggest a possible link between Thirmersol concentration found in many vaccines and the high mercury levels in autistic children. Contact Forrist Lytehaause for more insights into this topic. Direct line: (503) 699-4925 Email: Coordinator@ZeoliteAutismStudy.com. Other helpful information regarding the study can be found at: www.ZeoliteAutismStudy.com. For More Information Contact: Forrist Lytehaause Coordinator@ZeoliteAutismStudy.com www.ZeoliteAutismStudy.com

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/13140004/ Mercury study could affect Duke plants By John Downey Charlotte Business Journal Updated: 7:00 p.m. CT June 4, 2006 A federal researcher's unpublished study lurks at the center of a dispute between the state Environmental Management Commission and its critics over reducing mercury emissions from North Carolina's coal-fired power plants.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/upi/20060215-055834-5445r.htm Full series of articles found here http://theageofautism.com./ http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:yW1O2...-8%20pro%20quad

http://www.healthliesexposed.com/articles/...9_30_0515.shtml Be Careful Before You Sign A State Vaccination Exemption Form

http://tinyurl.com/lqkh2 Typically, autoimmune diseases and allergies are not seen together in an individual, because both Th systems are not usually overactive at the same time.

Sunshine, This is just from observation with my boys. For 9 yr. old... blinky, a shoulder shrug, a little hummm (vocal/soft) are mild tics. He may have one of these at a time. If he has one of these +plus a head shake, which is mostly tipping his head backwards gently, I start getting nervous, and up his supplements and start wrestling things out of his mouth. He will take frozen orange juice and eat it right out of the can. Just a little too high in sugar! My older son (13)does not tic, unless its a big one, like when he had the staph infection around Christmas. He was head shaking very hard, and a tongue tooth tic. MISERABLE. I know this probably is not real helpful, but that's the main tic history here. My older son had a few others when he was younger, humming songs, squeaking tennis shoes on floors, bruxism, 1 loud vocal for a couple of weeks only at home in evening - stopped/never returned probably 3 to 4 yrs. ago. kim

Irena, Yes, it appears that once you stay away from an IgG reactive food, you can sometimes reintroduce, if removing offending foods allows the intestinal permeability to reduce (heal). From doing a quick search, it appears the jury is out on oats. Some articles say people with gluten sensitivity can handle oats. I have also read where observation can be as reliable as test results. I found it helpful as a guide (didn't have great confidence in the accuracy of the test we had as it was not ELISA or SAGE..and these are the ones I have read several times are best) but my youngest son eats so few foods anyway, gluten and caisen were the ones I was most interested in. He showed caisen sensitivity but not gluten. However, when he eats pretzels in abundance he gets ticcy. Can't help what the test showed, I'm almost positive there is something irritating with the pretzels. With all the reading I do Irena, I do not see anyone discussing foods containing yeast as being important in yeast control. Limiting carbs, fruits, sugar of course, yeast killers, probiotics, no fenol (digestive enzyme) but not yeast in foods. Doesn't mean there is nothing to it, but I don't know anything about it. I will keep an eye out for anyone discussing it though. Oats link http://www.csaceliacs.org/library/useofoats.php kim

This is interesting. A friend of mine had a similiar thing with her 6 yr. old recently. She and her husband had a trip planned out of town for the weekend. The person who was to care for her son is pregnant. His teacher called and said they had a chicken pox outbreak in the class and some of the kids had regular looking pox, and 2 including my friends son had what you are describing. My friend thought they were spider or mosquito bites, but they appeared to spread, although few. Mostly back, legs, one on his face and one on his neck. She took him to the Dr. who said he couldn't say for sure that it wasn't chicken pox related, and she had to cancel her trip. I'll call her tomorrow and ask her if they're gone. Her son has had the chicken pox vax. kim

I have read several times where the incidence of a disease was falling prior to the introduction of a vax, and that many numbers were projections or estimates, not actual cases, and that they were overblown. I didn't give that a lot of thought since I couldn't really verify it. When I got to tetanus in the article below, the years reported and the number given, it made me really shake my head. Seems there IS something to the the articles I had read in that regard. I wonder why they didn't report the number from 1947 like the vax. insert stated? Could it have ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER? http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:yALm7...k&cd=1&ie=UTF-8 I know I said I wasn't going to do this anymore, couldn't help it.

Giselle, I'm so glad to read that post! I thought of you and Hoyt everyday since you were last here. So glad things are better. Kim

I wanted to say that I probably won't be adding anything more (from my research) to this thread. I think the subject is better discussed on a vaccination forum, where different opinons are given, and there are people doing research and correcting each others mistakes! . The vaccine schedule is complicated. The vaxes used in the past, and what is to be given at what time now and how the different Drs. offices are doing it, appears to vary. I will say, that due to the fact that we have a new baby in the family (my neices) this subject has taken up a considerable amount of time, and I'm very disturbed about some of the information I have found, which I'm sure isn't a big surprise. It isn't all about thimerosal, although that issue causes me to almost become physically ill. There are no easy answeres here either. I have talked to a couple of people in the medical field, and what blows me away is THE LACK OF KNOWLEDGE about the incidence, the potential side effects, the ingredients, etc. I would have never believed this. My understanding of tetanus alone was woefully lacking. One thing that really surprised me was the case incidence prior to the development of the vaccine, the other was how you contract it. This package insert gives the reported case incidents in 1947. The vaccine time line shows this as the year the vax was added. I just did a search to learn about transmission. Again, I read many many articles. Some do contain misinformation. You always have to watch your sources. http://www.vaccineshoppe.com/US_PDF/271-83_4152_4153.pdf If a gene(s) were found tomorrow to be responsible for my son's tics, it wouldn't make any difference as to the concerns that I have. THIS IS MY INTERPUTATION.....AS ALWAYS, DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH WHEN DECIDING TO OR NOT TO VACCINATE AND LEARN THE DETAILS OF THE VAX. Just because your child received a vax for menningitis...do not assume that they can't get it. If there is an outbreak in your area, find out if it's viral or bacterial and what serogroup is causing it. If your child was vaccinated with the first vax. pay close attention to how long the protection appears to last according to the manufacturer. It is UNKNOWN how long immunity will last for the serogroups covered by the newer one, although it is believed (hoped) that it will be longer. I have talked to parents who had their child get the first vax when they entered college. They had no idea how long immunity was suspected to last, and the fact that it didn't protect from a strain that causes a substantial amount of cases. My concern is that this could give a false sense of security. It would have never occured to me. I really hope all here will become as informed as possible when making decisions regarding vaccinations and ask your Dr. specific questions. My feeling is that SOMEONE needs to know that we're paying attention now! Here are the links to the vax inserts for the Men. vaccines that were posted on the menningitis/pandas thread. Thanks Mommy 007 for making me look at this! http://www.vaccineshoppe.com/US_PDF/Menomu....4875_12.03.pdf http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:dUNZi...k&cd=2&ie=UTF-8

Sunshine, I have found these sites helpful, when trying to get a handle on the "gluts" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glutamate The box at the bottom has other amino acids info. This one was interesting too. http://www.bris.ac.uk/Depts/Synaptic/info/glutamate.html HTH kim

Irena & All, When I read that you may be removing milk from Stas diet again Irena, I thought about this article. It has been one of the reasons that I chose to use digestive enzymes, instead of eliminating dairy. My son doesn't get a rash from it though. I have read the pros and cons of eliminating. Again, it's probably going to depend on what is going on with the child as a whole, what decision you make in this area. http://www.enzymestuff.com/serotonin.htm kim

When stress related tics have come up, cortisol has come to mind. I haven't searched the forum for discussion on it, but I was wondering if anyone has any experience, or knowledge on the subject. This is an article I ran across. http://www.anthropogeny.com/A%20Potential%...%20Tourette.htm

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Some new information on Menningitis vax. This appears to be preferred vax. at this time and No mercury from what I can tell. It does say that if this one is not available, the older one from last post, is O.K. to use, so it's pretty important to know what one is being given. Edited to remove personal opinion (comments) http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:eUmbV...&cd=19&ie=UTF-8 http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:HIsOh...&cd=37&ie=UTF-8 MENINGOCOCCAL VACCINE LINKED TO CASES OF GUILLAIN-BARRÉ? http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:yy-PC...&cd=50&ie=UTF-8 http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/CID/journ...406-3.text.html United States Population 298,444,215 July 2006 est. from this site http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbo...r/2119rank.html

Irena, How ironic about the book. I really do wish that you could sneak your own chapter in there! I got looking at the darn meningitis vax. again, and here I am, NO sleep. Glad to hear that Stas is doing well. I try to gather bits and pieces about chelation too, but the boys are just doing too well, to give it too much consideration. As I've said before, you don't forget where you could be at any time though. I'm so thankful for the Dr.s that have dared to challenge the standard treatments, and look for ways to heal, instead of medicate. As time goes on, I'm sure there is going to be a lot more help for these conditions. I'm going to post the new info. on the vaccine, and TRY to get to sleep. Have a good day! Kim BTW, I'm still trying to finish that other Bio article too.

Andy, I have learned a long time ago that the business of pulling heavy metals is not anything that I would want to mess with, without a very experienced PHYSICIAN. The link was only for the purpose of the reference to DMSA being a sulfhydryl-containing agent. Thanks for your input! Kim

flower, You say goats milk and the hair on the back of my neck stands up! My oldest son and I bought some goat milk powder. We wanted to try it out, before giving it to my younger son. We both just about hurlded it across the kitchen. I don't know if it was so awful because it was powder, or if it all tastes that bad Are you able to tolerate it? Kim

Irena, Sorry it took so long to respond. I've been putting my computer time into researching my youngest son's diet issues. This is an article that has been really interesting. You may want to read it too. I'm not sure how current this is, I suspect it's older, but has some really good stuff anyway. I'm just getting to the part that I'm super interested in. http://www.geocities.com/aaa_list/infus.htm I don't know much about flouride except it stores in the bones. I believe it's a bi product of aluminum, and I feel like there's plenty of reason to avoid it, especially in the case of people who may have an inability to detox as well as some others. I was UPSET when I read some of the of things that you were reading about too. I thank the Lord I found out some of this stuff before someone developed a cavity. One area we have been lucky in, is that neither of the boys have any amalgam fillings. Neither has ever had a cavity. I have one, and that's all I've ever had in a permanent tooth. Hopefully, I passed SOMETHING good on to them! If you've come up with additional info. on flouide, I'd love to hear it. Hope Stas is doing well! Kim

Andy, Carolyn I should wait until I do a little more research on this, but I'm kind of excited and wanted to know if either of you had any input. From this site http://www.thorne.com/altmedrev/fulltext/dmsa3-3.html DMSA is a sulfhydryl-containing......... Do either of you have an opinion on what effect the sulfer, contained in the chelators, may have had in regards to the ability to eat more normally? Carolyn, remember when I asked you what you felt made the difference, and you said it was when you started chelating? I'm thinking that it wasn't because you were ridding body organs of metals, but supplying deficient sulfer. Any thoughts on this? Andy have your son's Dr.s ever commented on this? Would be grateful for any comment! Kim Kim