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Pam, The highest amount that we ever reached with the vitamins was about 16 with my oldest son(if I remember right). At this dose he complained of feeling hyper. We reduced and kept going down as symptoms allowed. He also had a run in with the tic that you're describing, but it was prior to starting vitamins. He only did it at home, always seemed to be right before bed, and it lasted a few weeks, went away and never came back. I know how upsetting that tic is, and hope it passes soon for your son too. The most immediate effect of the vitamins that I saw with my older son was that he stopped aching all over quickly after starting them. He ALWAYS complained of this upon waking. He used to be late or miss school frequently because of this. His tic flairs were much milder and further btwn. The other thing that I think was really important for him was allergy control for tic reduction. Diet changes too. I don't remember any tic increase with either of the boys in relationship to starting the vitamins. I'm wondering if your son had any kind of a virus or infection prior to the appearance of this tic? I have come to look at everything else going on with them, if we see a tic starting, like Allergies/mold exposure, dustmites, seasonal allergies, dark circles under eyes Too much of an offending food? We did have a 20 food IGg panel done which showed sensitivities for both boys. Metals...dental work, shrimp (high copper) algecide in hot tubs or pools (high copper/lower zinc) canned foods etc. Processed foods containing MSG, too many artificial colors? Too much sugar? Chemical exposure for youngest son. He just informed me at the hospital, visiting my father in law, that the smell of the hospital was causing the subtle head/neck movements. He also has said the smell in the Mall, brings on ticcy feelings for him. This son seems to react to colors in diet and screen flicker more than oldest son, and has a limited diet. For two boys, that both have a tic syndrome, they have TOTALLY different presentations of problems.I suspect the reason for this, but I harp on that subject enough! vaccines So, I guess as you get further into this, you will probably start to notice these patterns as most/many of us here have. There are sooo many different triggers for different people, it seems. You got a Neurologists blessing to try supplements????? Hooray! Personally, I would give the vitamins AWAY from any medications even if Neurologist doesn't think it's important, unless he/she is a rare exception and actually has an education in med/supplement interactions. My boys are not taking any medications. We do try to split them up at least twice a day. I would also recommend working up slowly. If medications are involved, personally, I would treat an increase in tics as something to be be very cautious about. I have no medical knowledge to base this on, but I do read quite a bit! Kim

Here are the two cites in the July NIEHS. Also here is the text of a letter I sent to the HI governor. This post may be fwdd hither and yon. Teresa The newest issue of a peer-reviewed NIH journal (Environmental Health Perspectives, by Natl Institute of Environmental Health Sciences) has an article describing a major new finding about thimerosal's effect upon immune processes (2) and has a brief commentary about the significance of those findings (1). The commentary and the entire article are free online (1-2). Teresa Binstock Researcher in Developmental & Behavioral Neuroanatomy P.O. Box 1788 Estes Park CO 80517 usa 1. Nanomolar Thimerosal Dysregulates Cell Signaling http://www.ehponline.org/docs/2006/114-7/ss.html#pote 2. Uncoupling of ATP-Mediated Calcium Signaling and Dysregulated Interleukin-6 Secretion in Dendritic Cells by Nanomolar Thimerosal http://www.ehponline.org/members/2006/8881/8881.html All of these sites relate to the articles that Teresa posted, except the last one. The effects of problems with calcium influx are pretty well documented in TS http://www.google.com/search?q=calcium+inf...-8&start=0&sa=N Also the info on inositol http://www.thorne.com/altmedrev/fulltext/inositol3-6.html Dysregualtion of the immume system? http://www.neurotransmitter.net/ocdimmune.html DHEA and cortisol....a Hypothesis http://www.anthropogeny.com/A%20Potential%...%20Tourette.htm

Samsma, I kind of replied to your post and the other person here, with questions about the Bontec vits, under neck snapping. Since I have 2 son's on the vitamins, if I can help with any other questions, just ask OK? Kim

Acta Pharmacologica Sinica 2006 February; 27 (2): 129-139 Beneficial effects of melatonin in experimental models of Alzheimer disease http://www.chinaphar.com/1671-4083/27/129.htm

Thought I would add this to previous response, from prior post: The point here was, when I was looking at Cipro, I decided google Doxycycline too. http://www.drugs.com/doxycycline.html Do not take iron supplements, multivitamins, calcium supplements, antacids, or laxatives within 2 hours of taking doxycycline. These products may reduce the effectiveness of doxycycline.

ad_ccl, The only thing I can comment on here is, once your youngest son completes the antibiotic, don't be surprised if he swabs negative, only to be tested a couple of months later, and shows positive again. This was our experience with my youngest son, over and over. I'm sure everyone, and especially all PANDAS people here, will be interested to hear your updates! Kim

I thougth this thread gave a little history of my boys use of Bonnie's vitamins. It mentions my oldest son's screeching vocal tic, which was breif, only before bed. It stopped, never returned, and this was prior to use of the vitamins. To update. My oldest son (13) currently is taking 8 TS Plus control per day. 500 TO 1000 mgs of vit. C , 1 EPA/DHA (Bontec fish oil), and occasionally a little extra zinc. My youngest son (9) is taking about the same thing, only we use mag taurate (Bontec) and Twin Labs calcium citrate caps which contain 150 mgs of calcium and 75 mgs of magnesium oxide in one capsule, if tics look like they're flairing. SLURPEES are a tic trigger for him. He likes to mix colors and you can see a change in behavior and tics within about 1/2 hour, or sooner. He is also taking digestive enzymes, for sensitivity to milk protein and peanut (butter), zinc, probiotics, and Omega 3 6 and 9 from Nortic Naturals. For the Mom who mentioned that her son is taking medications....Please carefully check to make sure that no supplements will interfere with his medications. Even if you ask the Dr. who prescribed them, ask a Pharmacist too! I had an experience with my older son, where an antibiotic was prescribed which was ineffective when taken with calcium. I had told the Dr. that he was on a heavy duty vitamin regime for a tic syndrome, and he prescribed Doxycycline as a preventive drug for infections after my son had two moles removed. He developed a staph infection. I found the info. myself, but had to check about a few interaction sites to find it. There have been a couple of posts where people have suspected vitamins or minerals were interferring with a medication. I read once where calcium should not be taken within 4 hours of an anti seizure drug. I have no experience with using medications and supplements together, don't know if drug prescribed for disorders discussed here would be considered seizure drugs, but please check cafefully! I also feel it's better to split the supplements up and give at least twice a day if possible. Your body will only use certain amounts of things in a given period (my understanding). If there are any other questions I can help with based on my guys experience, just ask. Kim

Bumping for newcomers using Bontec vits.

Revealed, most compelling evidence yet of MMR danger Sunday Express 6 October 2002 Exclusive by Lucy Johnston, Health Editor A 13-year-old boy brain damaged after the controversial MMR jab still has remains of the vaccine in the injured area of his brain. The alarming news is being seen as the most compelling evidence yet of a link between the triple measles, mumps and rubella jab and autism. The boy's case will form a central plank of a forthcoming legal action by 600 autistic and brain-damaged children against vaccine manufacturerers. Jackie Fletcher of support group Jabs, which highlights the risks of MMR, said: ''This is devastating news. What on earth is the vaccine doing in the brain? It should not be there.'' Mrs Fletcher, whose own son, Robert, 10, developed autism from the vaccine, added: ''This is the strongest evidence yet showing it causes brain damage.'' The 13-year-old, who has not been named, was developing normally until being given the MMR jab at 15 months. Days later a rash broke out, his development stopped and he began to have violent seizures. These became more frequent - sometimes every few minutes. In one month his mother, Verity, 46, from Sussex, counted 135. When he was nine, he was admitted to Southampton General Hospital's intensive care unit where doctors twice tried to break the cycle of convulsions with an anaesthetic. But each time they brought him round the fits started again. Eventually he was transferred to London's Great Ormand Street Children's Hospital for brain surgery. Verity arranged for the brain sample to be analysed and the results - seen by the Sunday Express - showed the sample contained traces of the measles virus ''consistent'' with the vaccine rather than the ''wild'' strain. Tissue from the boy's intestine also showed the vaccine. The boy is now making progress and goes to a special school. But he shows symptoms of autism, memory loss and still has fits. Verity said: ''The Department of Health has written off children like my son by refusing to acknowledge any link between brain damage and MMR. ''Because of this they are not being given appropriate treatment. They should be under the care of specialists.'' Experts say the boy's case is a minor victory for those fighting to get more recognition of the risks of MMR. Robert Sawyer, chief executive of the charity Visceral, which funds research by MMR opponent Dr Andrew Wakefield, said: ''The world must pay immediate attention to this evidence, especially when the Government is not taking the issue seriously.'' And Paul Shattock, head of the Autism Research Unit at the University of Sunderland, said: ''This is powerful. I don't know how the Government will talk its way out of it.'' An unpublished study strongly supports the new findings. Pathologists from Utah State University, US, and Trinity College, Dublin, have discovered the vaccine strain of the measles virus in the spinal fluid of 40 autistic children. The link between MMR, autism was first proposed by Dr Wakefield in 1998. He discovered many children with late onset autism also had intestinal damage. He believes the vaccine leaks through the gut wall into the central nervous system and into the brain, causing damage. The Department of Health said it could not comment on an individual case pending legal proceedings. But it stressed that tests to identify vaccine strains in gut samples were unreliable. Sunday Express Comment Act on MMR evidence Today this newspaper publishes a shocking report that every parent and grandparent must read. We present the most compelling evidence yet of the link between late onset autism and the measles, mumps and rubella injections. We believe that the Government can no longer insist that the jab is safe. To do so is to wilfully put the lives of our children at risk. The Government has consistently said that the triple jab is safe. It wants to believe this is so because it seems to be the most effective way of stopping these life-threatening disease in their tracks. During the waiting time between separate jabs children can contract one of the conditions and some might not receive all three injections. But the Government has not conducted a through examination of children whose parents believe they were sticken by the MMR jab. This must be done now. Without proper research we cannot know how many children's lives have been blighted. Neither will we know how to identify and exclude children who could be affected or exactly how to treat them. Moreover, the way is barred to those who deserve compensation. Children must not be sacrificed for the sake of dubious herd immunity SUNDAY EXPRESS 18 June 2006 by Lucy Johnston HEALTH EDITOR Can we ever trust MMR? 'The Government has not looked at the whole picture' Four years ago, the Sunday Express revealed that at least 26 child deaths have been linked with the measles, mumps and rubella vaccine. In many cases, the Government - or leading medical officials - accepted the connection. Parents were awarded vaccine damage payments of up to £100,000 and, in other cases, experts drew up post-mortem reports blaming the MMR jab as the most likely cause of death. Now, as we report today, two more parents have come forward claiming their babies died as a result of the jab. And, last month, Vietnamese health authorities withdrew the MMR jab after the death of one child and hospitalisation of five others. The World Health Organisation is now investigating this scare. Since its launch in 1988, thousands of parents have reported unwanted reactions to the triple jab, from moderate – rash, headache, temperature – to severe, including brain damage, autism and convulsions. In 1992, the Department of Health conceded it got the pre-licence trials wrong when the chief medical officer announced the withdrawal of two of the three brands of MMR because they were found to be causing meningitis. All drugs, including vaccines can have side effects.The Government accepts this – why else would it make vaccine damage pay-outs of up to £100,000? But, publicly, it claims no deaths have been associated with MMR. How can it do this when its own officials and post-mortem reports state otherwise? Vaccine manufacturers accept there can be serious side effects, and have informed the Government of this. So why does the Government's publicity machine continue to insist that the triple jab is entirely safe? Instead of being open and investigating potential dangers in what appears to be a minority of children, the Government polarises the debate by implying there are no risks.The Whitehall propaganda machine really kicked in eight years ago when the press reported findings of Dr Andrew Wakefield's explosive paper linking the MMR jab with autism. At the time, his work was accepted as credible by experts in the field. But, instead of making stocks of single vaccines available, as Wakefield advised, policy chiefs made it difficult for parents to obtain them. MMR uptake continued to fall. With an outbreak of disease on the horizon, publich health officials panicked. The Department of Health launched a campaign to rubbish Wakefield's research. He was ostracised by his peers and forced to resign his post at the Royal Free. The Government risked losing face if it changed its stance and accepted MMR might cause problems in some children, but it also stood to lose millions in compensation claims. Action had also been taken against the drug companies, which is still ongoing. Dr Wakefield has become the scapegoat for the frenzy over MMR but he is not, as the Government likes to portray him, a lone maverick. Many other doctors have concerns, and other scientists have found evidence to support his findings. But the Department of Health insists that research proves the jab is safe. However, the Government has not looked at the whole picture. Instead of looking at the affected children themselves, the studies it cites are based on patterns of disease taken from medical records of large populations, which are unable to detect adverse reactions in small numbers of children. When Dr Wakefield alerted the Government and vaccine chiefs to his research before publication, it promised an independent forum into his findings. This has never happened. Instead, it has called for an investigation into Dr Wakefield. The General Medical Council is considering whether to charge him with serious professional misconduct. Figures released by the Health Protection Agency last week reveal the number of potentially deadly measles cases seen by doctors since January is five times higher than during all last year, prompting fears of an epidemic. As Richard Halvorsen, vaccine expert and central London GP said: "With the threat of a measles epidemic, the only way many parents will protect their children is with the single vaccine. By refusing to allow this, the Government is contributing to the epidemic it seeks to prevent." One has to ask the question: where does the Department of Health's interests lie? Is it to protect the nation's health, or to protect officials, and the pharmaceutical industries' lucrative patents for new combination jabs? ************************************************************************************ E-NEWS FROM THE NATIONAL VACCINE INFORMATION CENTER Vienna, Virginia http://www.nvic.org "Protecting the health and informed consent rights of children since 1982." for immediate release June 27, 2006 MERCK'S GARDASIL VACCINE NOT PROVEN SAFE FOR LITTLE GIRLS National Vaccine Information Center Criticizes FDA for Fast Tracking Licensure Washington, D.C. - The National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) is calling on the CDC's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) to just say "no" on June 29 to recommending "universal use" of Merck's Gardasil vaccine in all pre-adolescent girls. NVIC maintains that Merck's clinical trials did not prove the human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine designed to prevent cervical cancer and genital warts is safe to give to young girls. "Merck and the FDA have not been completely honest with the people about the pre-licensure clinical trials," said NVIC president Barbara Loe Fisher. "Merck's pre and post-licensure marketing strategy has positioned mass use of this vaccine by pre-teens as a morality play in order to avoid talking about the flawed science they used to get it licensed. This is not just about teenagers having sex, it is also about whether Gardasil has been proven safe and effective for little girls." The FDA allowed Merck to use a potentially reactive aluminum containing placebo as a control for most trial participants, rather than a non-reactive saline solution placebo. A reactive placebo can artificially increase the appearance of safety of an experimental drug or vaccine in a clinical trial. Gardasil contains 225 mcg of aluminum and, although aluminum adjuvants have been used in vaccines for decades, they were never tested for safety in clinical trials. Merck and the FDA did not disclose how much aluminum was in the placebo. Animal and human studies have shown that aluminum adjuvants can cause brain cell death and that vaccine aluminum adjuvants can allow aluminum to enter the brain, as well as cause inflammation at the injection site leading to chronic joint and muscle pain and fatigue. Nearly 90 percent of all Gardasil recipients and 85 percent of aluminum placebo recipients reported one or more adverse events within 15 days of vaccination, particularly at the injection site. Pain and swelling at injection site and fever occurred in approximately 83 percent of Gardasil and 73 percent of aluminum placebo recipients. About 60 percent of those who got Gardasil or the aluminum placebo had systemic adverse events including headache, fever, nausea, dizziness, vomiting, diarrhea, myalgia. Gardasil recipients had more serious adverse events such as headache, gastroenteritis, appendicitis, pelvic inflammatory disease, asthma, bronchospasm and arthritis. "Merck and the FDA do not reveal in public documents exactly how many 9 to 15 year old girls were in the clinical trials, how many of them received hepatitis B vaccine and Gardasil simultaneously, and how many of them had serious adverse events after being injected with Gardasil or the aluminum placebo. For example, if there were fewer than 1,000 little girls actually injected with three doses of Gardasil, it is important to know how many had serious adverse events and how long they were followed for chronic health problems, such as juvenile arthritis." According to the Merck product manufacturer insert, there was 1 case of juvenile arthritis, 2 cases of rheumatoid arthritis, 5 cases of arthritis, and 1 case of reactive arthritis in 11,813 Gardasil recipients plus 1 case of lupus and 2 cases of arthritis out of 9,701 participants primarily receiving an aluminum containing placebo. Clinical trial investigators dismissed most of the 102 Gardasil and placebo associated serious adverse events, including 17 deaths, that occurred in the clinical trials as unrelated. "There is too little long term safety and efficacy data, especially in young girls, and too little labeling information on contraindications for the CDC to recommend Gardasil for universal use, which is a signal for states to mandate it," said Fisher. "Nobody at Merck, the CDC or FDA know if the injection of Gardasil into all pre-teen girls - especially simultaneously with hepatitis B vaccine - will make some of them more likely to develop arthritis or other inflammatory autoimmune and brain disorders as teenagers and adults. With cervical cancer causing about one percent of all cancer deaths in American women due to routine pap screening, it was inappropriate for the FDA to fast track Gardasil. It is way too early to direct all young girls to get three doses of a vaccine that has not been proven safe or effective in their age group." The National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC), founded in 1982 by parents of vaccine injured children, has been a leading critic of one-size-fits-all mass vaccination policies and the lack of basic science research into biological mechanisms and high risk factors for vaccine-induced brain and immune system dysfunction. As a member of the FDA Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee (VRBPAC), Barbara Loe Fisher urged trials include adequate safety data on pre-adolescent children and warned against fast tracking Gardasil at the November 28-29, 2001 VRBPAC meeting http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/cber01...latedBiological For references and more information, go to www.nvic.org.

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From above article Between the end of the dendrites (the little “tentacles” coming out of the cell body) and the body of the next cell there is a gap of about 10-20 nm. (1 nm is one billionth of a metre). This gap is called a synapse. The electrical impulse cannot cross the synapse, so chemical transmitters are used – neurotransmitters. When the electrical impulse arrives at the end of the dendrite, a chemical neurotransmitter is released which crosses the gap and sparks off another electrical impulse on the other side. This is how messages get around the brain. Link from article Chemar posted http://www.lamancha.com.au/Serotonin.htm The brain consists of billions of nerve cells. Each cell has dendrites which receive signals from adjacent cells. Cells also have axons which send messages to other nerves via their dendrites. http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=39983 Thimerosal dramatically alters how two key calcium channels, code-named RyR1 and IP3R1, found in dendritic cells function as a team by 'garbling' the normal signaling system between them." and researchers discovered that extremely small levels of thimerosal interfere significantly with calcium channel function after just a few minutes of exposure. They also observed that immature dendritic cells are particularly sensitive to thimerosal. *Is it possible that other toxins or metals ineffectively excreted from the body could wreck havoc on the dendritic cells and or dendrites? I have also read about the increase in dopamine receptors in autism. This has been associated with increased intellegience (sometimes savant qualities), and a greater susceptability to neuro symptoms, when damage occurs. Interesting too how this particular study was looking at effects on the immune system. Kim

Giselle, my oldest son has never had an eye roll in his life. With youngest, it's one of the main tics, when he's ticcing. Chemar honestly, the only thing I have ever come across in regards to eye rolling is related to mercury. This is just from memeory with one of the DAN Drs. saying that looking out of the corner of the eye, or eye rolls are related to the effects of thimerosal. Photosensitivity is also a pretty well known side effect of mercury exposure, so I have read. I just finished reading this. A few things in this article caught my eye. http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/hydro/hg.htm One was how many sources of mercury there are, another is mertholate and mercurochrome. I grew up next to my Dad's Mom and Dad. They had a really long gravel driveway, which is where I learned to ride a two wheel bike. The garage at the end of this drive and I, got up close and personal a few times, not to mention the numerous skinned knees and elbows of childhood. Guess what was ALWAYS in Grandma's bathroom closet. Boy that stuff burned on open wounds! I'm wondering if anyone else has had the excess saliva symptom mentioned in this article? Oldest, has had this problem (would just come and go), never youngest. Then the info. on sulfur. I'm learning more about that here, as I became convinced that it's related to youngest sons limited diet. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/sulfu...essage/8273?l=1 BTW, would you consider posting the url for the "androgens" article here? I read it on Braintalk, thought it was very interesting. Think others here might like to read it too. I tried to reregister over there with a different email address. Could not get a confirmation email I started asking the Dr. to not give my youngest son arbuterul/steroid (sp?) breathing treatments, everytime he had a chest cold, because it made him shake, and made tics flair. He doesn't have asthma, but they would use it to see if breathing sounds changed, to more or less rule out pneumonia.

Well worth reading http://www.utahstate.usu.edu/issues/summer06/autism1.htm http://www.pr.com/press-release/12618

Gas from heavily chlorinated water could damage young lungs, making them more susceptible later to developing asthma, researchers suggest MARTIN MITTELSTAEDT From Friday's Globe and Mail http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...eandHealth/home

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flouride drops! You know, one thing I'm learning is to print studies and the most mainstream medical things I can find regarding these substances that I'm afraid of for the boys. It's different when they read some of these things first hand. Someone on another forum was pointing out that these people work for us, we pay them. We do not need to stand for condesending criticism. http://home.att.net/~gtigerclaw/dead_rats.html Had to love this one. TS people may not be able to excrete or handle flouride (as with metals) either IMHO. The information on skeletal fluorosis down right frighteneing. http://www.rvi.net/~fluoride/s10.htm I'm not sure if I posted this one previously or not. "Harvard Fluoride Study Investigated" http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8570930/ Did Harvard study downplay risk of fluoride? University to probe professor’s research on water, bone cancer in boys Aletha http://www.freesoil.org Free Soil from role stereotyping, genetic and chemical assault, abuse of authority, ... http://www.freesoil.org Free Soil from role stereotyping, genetic and chemical assault, abuse of authority, ...

Cynthia, OK, so how did you get so smart? Now, I'm getting a little nervous about Birkenstocks though. Seriously, I'm wondering if there was a family history of tics, or a similiar disorder that made you decide not to vaccinate and make these healthy decisions for your son as an infant? These are the vitamins I use for my boys, with a few other things I add individually. http://www.bonniegr.com/index.htm Kim

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=n...bid=112#summary lots of good info, on vit K http://www.danasview.net/metals.htm Great Smokies Lab has a new name.....good pdf with charts on metals and the souce of them. Pools and chlorine info. http://www.danasview.net/chlorine.htm

Fluoride war to begin again Published Friday, June 16, 2006 by By John Johnston http://www.bocaratonnews.com/index.php?src...Main%20Headline Eighteen months ago, County Administrator Robert Weisman told the Boca Raton News it was “unlikely” that an upcoming National Research Council (NRC) study would resolve the issue of whether or not to put fluoride into public drinking water. The NRC study is “just a study of all pre-existing studies,” he said. What a difference 18 months makes. Last week Weisman did an about face, saying that the since released NRC study suggests that the "perceived dental benefits" of fluoridation may not sufficiently exceed the possible negative effects of using it. Further, Weisman said, there was "sufficient evidence" in the NRC study about potential negative effects for him to write a memo to County Commissioners, urging that fluoridation cease in all unincorporated territory public water systems. Water fluoridation is the practice of adding fluoride compounds to water with the intended purpose of reducing tooth decay in the general population. Many American municipalities fluoridate public water supplies, believing that this practice will reduce tooth decay at a low cost. Currently about 65 percent of the United States residents in urban areas have fluoridated water. Opponents Gather Weisman, who began his career as an engineer in the county Engineering and Public Works Department, won’t get any argument from Patricia Moreell of Boca Raton about his recommendation to stop fluoridation. “Why is it that the very cities crying dental crisis are those which have been fluoridated the longest and still have the greatest tooth decay?” Moreell asks. She cited the cities of Boston, New York, Cincinnati and Washington DC. Moreell’s group, South Florida Citizens for Safe Drinking Water, has been fighting the addition of fluoride to drinking water, claiming it is toxic and actually does little, if anything, to help tooth enamel. County Commissioner Mary McCarty has also steadfastly opposed fluoridation. “I’m pro-choice when it comes to fluoridation,” she said, arguing that putting fluoride in public water supplies is violating individual choice because “water is something you can’t live without.” “Fluoride works when it’s applied topically,” said McCarty, “and we get what we need from our toothpaste. Why do we need it in our water?” Long-time opponent Palm Beach County fluoridation opponent Naomi Flack takes a different approach. The climate in South Florida – and to prevent dehydration – causes many persons to consume far more water than is consumed on average. As such, she said, adding fluoride to public water supplies “is medically unsound because, and regardless of the dose of fluoride in the water, you can’t control how much someone drinks.” “This is not about tooth decay,” she also argued. “It is naive to think that a substance powerful enough to alter tooth enamel will have no effect whatsoever on all other organs and tissues in the body.” Flack said, “Money saved by no fluoridation could be used to buy enough fluoridated toothpaste to deal with the entire population.” ADA Disagrees Hold on to your floss says the American Dental Association (ADA). Despite the NRC report, and with two days of it being issued, the ADA said that fluoridation “remains the model for dental disease prevention.” The ADA also said that using the NRC study as a basis for making decisions about public water supplies is inappropriate because “community water fluoridation was not part” of the study. According to the official ADA report following the NRC study used by Weisman to make his recommendations, “the American Dental Association supports community water fluoridation as a safe, beneficial and cost-effective way to prevent tooth decay. Past comprehensive reviews of the safety and effectiveness of fluoride in water have concluded that water fluoridation is safe and the most cost-effective way to prevent tooth decay among populations living in areas with adequate community water supply systems,” the ADA says, adding: “In fact, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) proclaimed community water fluoridation one of 10 great public health achievements of the 20th century.” Then what does the NRC report in fact say? According to the ADA, the NRC report was “part of a routine, periodic review by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). Further, the ADA says, the study doesn’t even address public water supply questions. Rather, it examined “whether the amount of naturally occurring fluoride allowed in drinking water poses a health risk.” And the report concluded, according to the ADA, “that the EPA’s maximum level goal for naturally occurring fluoride in drinking water should be lowered.” The report cites “severe dental fluorosis, also known as enamel fluorosis, as one of the reasons for the new recommendation,” according to the ADA. Severe fluorosis, where teeth appear discolored and sometimes pitted is found in about 10 percent of children in communities with water fluoride concentrations at or near 4ppm, according to the NRC report. According to the Center for Disease Control (CDC) 32 percent of American children now have some form of dental fluorosis, with 2 to 4 percent of children having the moderate to severe stages (CDC 2005). However, the ADA says, the concentration of fluoride cited in the study “is nearly four times the optimum amount recommended by the U.S. Public Health Service, CDC and ADA to prevent tooth decay.” But the fear that adding fluoride to possibly existing natural occurring fluoride in Palm Beach County’s unincorporated areas, prompted Weisman to err on the side of caution, causing him to recommend ceasing public water fluoridation there. Vote Split The vote eighteen months ago to approve fluoridation was 5-2 – with Commissioner Tony Masilotti arguing that fluoridation removes citizen “choice, and Commissioner McCarty arguing that “medicating of water” is inappropriate.In February of 2004, Commissioners approved fluoridation of water for about 420,000 people living in the communities in the western part of the county, most of them west of Boca Raton, Delray Beach, Boynton Beach and Lake Worth. The 2004 vote was split 4-2, with Commissioners McCarty and Karen Marcus voting no. Commissioners Burt Aaronson, Addie Green and Warren Newell, led by its major proponent, Commissioner Jeff Koons, supported fluoridation. Chairman Masilotti did not attend the February 2004 meeting. Because the approval vote was not unanimous, Commissioners in 2004 directed last year that actual fluoridation would not be implemented pending review of the since released NRC study. The ADA and other fluoride proponents say the additive has proven itself an effective anti-cavity substance through a half-century of use in municipal water supplies and in toothpaste. Changes Mind What a member of the NRC study board said, however, calls into question that long-standing belief.Dr. Hardy Limeback is Canada's leading fluoride authority and, until recently, the country's primary promoter of fluoride. He now says flatly: “The evidence that fluoridation is more harmful than beneficial is now overwhelming.” Limeback lists four primary reasons for his opposition to fluoridation: • Fluoridation is no longer effective. “Fluoride in water has the effect of delaying tooth eruption and, therefore, simply delays dental decay.” • Fluoridation is the main cause of dental fluorosis – a change in the tooth’s enamel caused by fluoride. “We have tripled our exposure to fluoride since fluoridation was conceived in the 1940s. This has lead to every third child with dental fluorosis.” • Chemicals that are used in fluoridation have not been tested for safety. “It is industrial grade fluoride contaminated with trace amounts of heavy metals such as lead, arsenic and radium, which are harmful to humans at the levels that are being added to fluoridate the drinking water.” • There are serious health risks from water fluoridation. “Fluoridation studies have never properly shown that fluoride is safe in individuals who cannot control their dose, or in patients who retain too much fluoride.” Dr. Limeback concludes his comments in the NRC study by saying: “Policy makers who avoid thoroughly reviewing recent data before introducing new fluoridation schemes do so at risk of future litigation.” Commissioners will reexamine the question, and Weisman’s memo, at Tuesday’s county commission meeting. County Health Department head Dr. Jean Malecki, along with some county dentists, is expected to clash with Flack, Moreell, and others. John Johnston can be reached at 561-549-0833, or at jjohnston@bocanews.com * The material in this post is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes.For more information go to: http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.html http://oregon.uoregon.edu/~csundt/documents.htm If you wish to use copyrighted material from this email for purposes that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner.

Doesn't gross me out. Love the boob nazi's and Strawberries? That is tooo cute. I KNEW the gel in the disposables had something to do with this! Think I'll do some research and start a thread on that

http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-...0,1845578.story Wonder pill. Really. As D's benefits become clearer, we're urged to get more -- much more -- of it. By Chris Woolston, Special to The Times June 12, 2006 EVEN the most brazen snake-oil salesman might blush at trying to sell the public on a pill to ease aches and pains, strengthen bones, slow down cancer and prevent diseases as varied as Type 1 diabetes, multiple sclerosis and schizophrenia. But these claims aren't the frothy hyperbole of a sideshow huckster. A growing number of serious scientists are quite willing to speculate that a single compound may be able to accomplish all of these feats — and possibly more. They're not talking about a new miracle drug, but a common nutrient: vitamin D, "the sunshine vitamin."

Advocacy Groups Urge CDC Advisory Committee To Remove Mercury from Vaccines Children's health advocates again ask government officials to make good on repeated promises of mercury-free vaccines Atlanta, GA -- A prominent ad in today's Atlanta Journal-Constitution sponsored by parents and friends of children injured by mercury in vaccines demands that a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) advisory committee require complete removal of mercury from vaccines. The ad's sponsors note that according to Environmental Protection Agency guidelines, a person must weigh over 500 pounds to safely absorb the amount of mercury contained in a single flu vaccine and that special hazardous waste sites are required for flu shot disposal. To develop national vaccine guidelines, the CDC follows the advice of the 15-member Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) (www.cdc.gov/nip/ACIP/members.htm). To date, ACIP has refused to fulfill promises made by the government, physician organizations, and President Bush to remove thimerosal from all vaccines. "Mercury should never have been in vaccines in the first place. The fact that it remains in vaccines seven years after explicit promises were made to take it out amounts to government footdragging that puts children at serious risk of injury," according to Vicky Debold, PhD, public health nurse and mother of a vaccine-injured child. A growing number of scientists are finding that the type of low-dose mercury in vaccines kills and injures brain and immune cells. "Considering that so many children now suffer from learning disabilities and a host of immune-mediated illnesses such as asthma and diabetes, the practice of injecting mercury into our nation's most vulnerable is barbaric," said Dr. Debold. The ad also points out that most flu shots and some other vaccines contain 50,000 parts per billion mercury, despite requirements that landfill waste contain less than 200 parts per billion. "Directly injecting humans with a powerful neurotoxin flies in the face of common sense. With growing research from leading universities further confirming the neurotoxic effects of mercury exposure from vaccines, the ACIP must consider the best interests of our children and put an end to this dangerous and unnecessary exposure," commented Dr.. Debold. The public is urged to contact Julie Gerberding, MD, Director of the CDC (404-639-3311) and Mike Leavitt, Secretary of Health and Human Services (202-619-0257) to request that they direct the ACIP to recommend removal of all remaining mercury in vaccines. To view the ad, go to http://www.nationalautismassociation.org/images/acipad.jpg *********************************************************** The Age of Autism: But is Wakefield right? By DAN OLMSTED UPI Senior Editor WASHINGTON, June 12 (UPI) -- Dr. Andrew Wakefield, the British gastroenterologist who first raised the prospect of a link between the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine and autism, is being pursued by British medical authorities. According to the BBC: "The Independent newspaper reports that the General Medical Council will accuse Mr. Andrew Wakefield of carrying out 'inadequately founded' research. Vaccination rates fell sharply after Dr Wakefield questioned the safety of MMR, raising fears of a measles epidemic. His initial Lancet paper has since been disowned by the journal." Let's put aside the issues surrounding the Lancet paper and concerns about a measles epidemic and go straight to the heart of the matter: Does the MMR cause autism? In other words, is Wakefield right? After looking into the topic for more than a year, I'm very concerned that he may be -- that, especially in children whose immune systems have been rendered susceptible by any number of possible exposures, the combined live-virus vaccine has its fingerprints all over numerous cases of regressive autism. Until researching the seven-part Age of Autism series in Olympia, Wash., that concluded last month, I would not have said that. But when you encounter case after case of perfectly children regressing after live-virus vaccinations -- in this case, the MMR in close proximity to the chickenpox shot -- you have to keep your options open. The families in Olympia noticed a common thread: They had unusual histories of chickenpox and other herpesviruses in their families; their child got the chickenpox and MMR shots in close temporal proximity, often at the same 12-month office visit when both are first recommended; and the child subsequently was diagnosed with regressive autism. Despite the sweeping assurances that there's no link between the MMR and autism, no one seems to have looked at whether such a family history of susceptibility to viruses used in vaccines might raise a risk factor. Call me hypervigilant, but I would have expected that to be rigorously reviewed a long time ago. Two of the Olympia children, in fact, were in small trials at age 12 months of chickenpox and MMR vaccines. One of the vaccines, called ProQuad, combines the MMR and chickenpox, kicking in 10 times the standard amount of chickenpox vaccine to overcome the "immune interference" that can occur when live viruses interact. Such interference is at the heart of Wakefield's concern about the combined MMR vaccine -- that the viruses suppress the immune system in such a way that weakened-but-live measles viruses can set up house and trigger a delayed neurological infection: autism. And measles is not benign -- that's why there's such a push to vaccinate against it. In a small percentage of cases, the wild, or naturally occurring, infection can lead to delayed brain damage and death. It's a neurotoxic virus, in short. Wakefield's question and concern is whether in some cases the live-virus vaccine is neurotoxic, too. Not such a wild idea, really, and listening to him talk makes you hope to God the vaccine manufacturers and regulators are a lot smarter than he makes them sound: "What alarms me about the cavalier approach of the industry and everybody else, the regulators, to these viruses is they presume the wild infection to be nasty and the vaccines to be innocuous -- that they can manipulate something that is biologically highly intelligent and exploit it to their advantage. "And they can't. The viruses don't behave like that and they never will. They merely come back to haunt you as something different." Multiple epidemiological studies have allegedly ruled out this chilling scenario as a factor in autism -- the Institute of Medicine calls it "theoretical only." But epidemiology is only as good as its data and its practitioners, and well-known for its potential pitfalls and flaws. What concerns me is, if the epidemiology is wrong, preventable cases of autism are going to keep happening till the cows come home. Recall, also, that Wakefield never suggested banning the measles, mumps or rubella immunizations. He suggested separating them and giving them a year apart. Especially concerning are the stories that parent after parent tells about physical illness after the shots, followed by autistic regression. It's kind of freaky, really, the way they keep popping up. After finishing the Pox series, I attended the Autism One convention in Chicago and happened to be interviewed by a Web-based documentary filmmaker. During a break, I asked how he got involved. He told me his daughter got the MMR, came down immediately with a 103-degree fever and regressed forthwith into autism. "It's like someone took out her good brain and replaced it with a bad brain," he said. It was that immediate. I had another conversation with the mother of fraternal twins who told me this story: Both sons were scheduled to get two shots -- the MMR and another vaccination -- on the same day at the same office visit. But -- oops -- the healthcare worker gave the first child two MMR shots, not the MMR and the second vaccine. That child soon developed autism; the second one didn't. And I spoke recently with a Texas man whose son got the MMR in 1993; the injection site swelled up to the size of his father's fist; he had seizures at the dinner table that night, and within days was spinning, flapping, chewing wood and not talking ever again. You get the picture. "Anecdotal evidence." But you have to wonder how many of these stories -- one is tempted to say, bodies -- must pile up before the medical authorities go back and take a fresh look at the issue. This blithe disregard for case histories -- for what parents, the supposed bedrock of our "family-friendly" society, say -- is one of the most appalling features of the current climate surrounding autism research. In fact, Sen. Joseph Lieberman, D-N.Y., has talked publicly of forcing the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which sets the childhood immunization schedule and stoutly rejects a link with autism, to actually go out and interview some of these parents. One person who is making things awkward for the authorities is Dr. Peter Fletcher, another British ne'er-do-well -- or, to use his official title, the former chief scientific officer at Britain's Department of Health. As I noted in a column earlier this year, the Daily Mail reported: "A former British government medical officer responsible for deciding whether medicines are safe has accused the government of 'utterly inexplicable complacency' over the MMR triple vaccine for children." The official, Dr. Peter Fletcher, became an expert witness for parents' lawyers, which of course creates a competing interest that needs to be factored in. But Fletcher said his new role gave him access to documents that deeply concerned him. "There are very powerful people in positions of great authority in Britain and elsewhere who have staked their reputations and careers on the safety of MMR and they are willing to do almost anything to protect themselves," he said. Gosh, this is starting to get interesting, and not just for Andrew Wakefield. Doctor behind MMR scare to face four charges of misconduct over research Sarah Boseley, health editor Monday June 12, 2006 The Guardian http://society.guardian.co.uk/health/news/0,,1795596,00.html Andrew Wakefield, the doctor behind the scare over a potential link between the MMR jab and autism in children, is to face four charges relating to unprofessional conduct at the General Medical Council, it is reported today. Mr Wakefield, a surgeon who became a gut specialist, could be struck off the medical register and debarred from practising in the UK if the GMC finds him guilty of serious professional misconduct. Following the publication of a research paper in the Lancet by Mr Wakefield and colleagues in February 1998 - which suggested a tentative link between the immunisation at the age of 18 months, a bowel disorder called Crohn's disease, and autism - many parents became anxious over the safety of the measles, mumps and rubella, or MMR, vaccine. At the press conference to launch the paper, Mr Wakefield had parted company with his colleagues to say that, in his opinion, single jabs might be safer than the three-in-one MMR combination. The take-up of MMR slumped and is still low in some parts, especially areas of London. Public health experts have warned that measles outbreaks are possible, in which some children may be damaged and even die. The numbers of cases of mumps has risen. A top-level inquiry commissioned by the Medical Research Council examined Mr Wakefield's findings, and epidemiological studies were commissioned which found that children given the MMR vaccine were no more likely to become autistic than those who were not. The message from the medical establishment consistently said that there was no evidence of a problem with MMR. In 2001 Mr Wakefield left the Royal Free hospital in north London, where he was a consultant, to work in the United States. In 2004 it was alleged that Mr Wakefield had had an undeclared conflict of interest at the time he wrote the Lancet paper: having been paid £55,000 by the Legal Aid Board to assess whether some of the children who featured in his research paper might have a case to sue for vaccine damage. The Lancet retracted part of the article, and the GMC began an investigation. According to the Independent newspaper today, the preliminary charges against Mr Wakefield will be that he published inadequately founded research, failed to obtain ethical committee approval for the work, obtained funding for it improperly, and subjected children to "unnecessary and invasive investigations". It was reported that GMC lawyers are preparing more detailed charges for publication later this year, and that there will be a public hearing next year. * The material in this post is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes.For more information go to: http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.html http://oregon.uoregon.edu/~csundt/documents.htm If you wish to use copyrighted material from this email for purposes that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/antenna/mmr/cip2/128.asp Only time will tell 'If we find vaccine strain measles it could be significant. But only if more than one lab finds it. At the moment only O'Leary's group has done so but that's not good enough because it might be contamination.' Philip Minor, virus expert, National Institute of Biological Standards and Control ******************************************************************************* http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml? xml=/news/2006/05/28/wmmr28.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/05/28/ixnews.html US scientists back autism link to MMR By Beezy Marsh and Sally Beck (Filed: 28/05/2006) The measles virus has been found in the guts of children with a form of autism, renewing fears over the safety of the MMR jab. American researchers have revealed that 85 per cent of samples taken from autistic children with bowel disorders contain the virus. The strain is the same as the one used in the measles, mumps and rubella triple vaccine. The findings will spark fresh concern about MMR, because they back theories of a causal link between the jab, autism and painful gut disorders suffered by a number of autistic children. The study replicates findings made by the gastroenterologist Dr Andrew Wakefield in 1998 and Prof John O'Leary, a pathologist, in 2002. Parents say their children were developing normally until they had the MMR jab, given when a child is between 12- and 18-months-old. The children now suffer from regressive autism. One theory is that the virus passes through the gut, causing damage, and into the bloodstream, from where it is able to attack the brain. More than 2,000 families claim that their children have suffered damage but the Department of Health reiterated last night that MMR is safe, a stance supported by the British Medical Association and all the Royal Colleges. Last year Government scientists failed to reproduce research results by Dr Wakefield. Research to be presented this week in Montreal, Canada, provides fresh evidence that the measles virus is present in the guts of autistic children. Dr Stephen Walker, of the Wake Forest University School of Medicine, North Carolina, studied children with regressive autism and bowel disease. "Of the handful of results we have in so far, all are vaccine strain," he said. __________________________________________________ From Monsters and Critics.com Consumer Health The Age of Autism: Gardasil vs. Hep B By Dan Olmsted Jun 9, 2006, 19:00 GMT WASHINGTON, DC, United States (UPI) -- This week the Food and Drug Administration approved a vaccine to prevent cervical cancer in women. In an odd way, the announcement highlights what may be wrong with government policy on another vaccination, the very first one children receive. The FDA`s approval of Gardasil is intended to block human papillomavirus, or HPV, the most common sexually transmitted disease and one that causes almost all cases of cervical cancer. The agency approved the vaccine for girls beginning at age 9 to protect them before they become sexually active. Some cultural conservatives oppose making the shots mandatory for public-school attendance because of what they fear is an implicit endorsement of pre-marital sex. That`s an issue an advisory committee of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention -- and ultimately, each of the 50 states -- will have to grapple with. Regardless, the decision to wait till the cusp of adolescence to give the shot seems sensible -- and drives home the contrary approach that the CDC has taken with the hepatitis B vaccination mandated for every newborn child. To listen to some public-health officials, you`d think the nation was in the grip of an incipient Hep B epidemic lurking in the nation`s hygienically challenged daycare centers -- an epidemic contained solely by vaccination on the day of birth. In fact, hepatitis B is overwhelmingly a disease of sexual contact and intravenous, illegal drug use. Except in cases where the mother tests positive for Hep B, the risk to children vs. the risk of such an early vaccination seems questionable in the eyes of many critics of CDC immunization policy. Over the course of the past year, as I`ve reported on concerns that vaccines may be linked to a huge increase in autism diagnoses beginning in the 1990s, the hepatitis B vaccination at birth stood out; the vaccination was first recommended in 1991. At least two doctors tell me their faith in the government`s entire childhood immunization schedule was shattered by the CDC`s insistence that every newborn needs a Hep B shot as an urgent matter of public health. \'It is universally accepted that such mandate was forced upon our children only because they were `available,` while efforts to vaccinate high-risk adults had repeatedly failed,\' Dr. F. Edward Yazbak testified in 2001 before the Massachusetts House of Representatives. \'The continued mandate of this vaccine with all its problems may result in parents losing faith in vaccine programs in general, and opposing all vaccinations, many of which we know are necessary and effective,\' he said. The National Vaccine Information Center, which supports parental choice and awareness of immunization hazards, raises similar issues. \'Unlike other infectious diseases for which vaccines have been developed and mandated in the U.S., hepatitis B is not common in childhood and is not highly contagious,\' the NVIC says. \'Hepatitis B is primarily an adult disease transmitted through infected body fluids, most frequently infected blood, and is prevalent in high risk populations such as needle using drug addicts; sexually promiscuous heterosexual and homosexual adults; residents and staff of custodial institutions such as prisons; health care workers exposed to blood; persons who require repeated blood transfusions and babies born to infected mothers.\' Dr. Mayer Eisenstein, medical director of the family-practice Homefirst Medical Services in Chicago, told the Illinois Legislature in 1997 that mandating Hep B for newborns was absurd. \'The idea of giving this vaccine to a one-day old baby, a newborn, is preposterous. There is no scientific evidence for this. In fact, I called up the manufacturer and I had (a representative) come to St. Mary of Nazareth Hospital, where I am Chairman of the Department of Medicine, and I asked him: `Show me your evidence on one-day old infants as to side effects (from the hepatitis B vaccine)` -- we have none. Our studies were done on 5 and 10 year olds. \'As a father, grandfather, a physician, as a lawyer, I want the option of not giving it to my children unless I believe the scientific evidence is there.\' Yet waiting until genuine risk looms -- via sexual activity, intravenous drug use or a healthcare job -- has been rejected out of hand. That view was confirmed earlier this year by both the CDC and the American Academy of Pediatrics, whose members administer the vaccines. \'The Academy has endorsed CDC recommendation for hepatitis B vaccine, `A Comprehensive Immunization Strategy to Eliminate Transmission of Hepatitis B Virus Infection in the United States,`\' the AAP said in a news release. \'The CDC recommends that all newborns receive a birth dose of hepatitis B vaccine before leaving the hospital unless a physician provides a written order to defer the birth dose.\' Compare that to waiting till age 9 for the new Gardasil vaccine. While the reasonable concerns of some parents are yet to be resolved, this already stands in stark contrast to the public health establishment`s hepatitis B hammerlock on the nation`s newborns. True, the mercury-based preservative thimerosal that some believe is behind the rise in autism has been removed from Hep B and other routine childhood vaccines. But the issue of whether children are getting an unnecessarily early and heavy load of vaccines -- and whether that could explain the rise in autism or chronic illnesses like asthma -- remains squarely on the table, at least to this observer. In years to come, I suspect, the Hep B shot at birth may be regarded as a case study in doctors gone wild.

Paging Mother Earth FOUR YEARS?????? I am a loser! I think all of us bottle feeders can safely assume the bottle (not necessarily what was in it) was not responsible for our kids tics thanks to Giselle.

Butterbean, I really appreciated reading your reply. I added the soy info. article to this thread (in a hurry) because the controversy surrounding it, really bothers me for uninformed new parents. I certainly had no idea that there may be a very negative side to it's use when I gave it to my boys, but this is an old thread, so I wanted you to be aware of that since you may not get a response from Susanna. It would be nice if she still reads and does respond though! I thought this was an interesting thread and will add that I nursed for a couple of days with my 13 yr. old, but was told to start formula due to high bilirubin counts, and stupidly kind of bagged it after that. My oldest was positioned wrong and I pushed for an ungodly amount of time, then ended up with a forceps delivery which I didn't know someone could remain conscious through that kind of pain. My recovery from labor was pretty slow, no appetite, low milk production. My younger son was breech. They did some tricky little procedure where they tried to turn him by pushing on my stomach. This was after some nice injection of something that made my heart pound and made me shake from head to toe. Probably good for the baby too. I ended up having him C-section. They couldn't turn him because the cord was looped under his butt and wrapped around his ankle. In hind sight, I think there are quite a few things I would have done DIFFERENTLY. I recovered from the C section much more quickly than I did with older son, didn't lose my appetite, but still had to really work at nursing. These guys were Hungry fella's! I couldn't quite keep up with the feedings every 1 1/2 hours all night long and a 3+ yr. old for more that a couple of weeks with 2nd one. Currently, my beliefs are that family history or genetics are involved in some way with this syndrome (although we have none), but I'm not sure I would relate it to wiring. I wonder if future research will show a susceptibility to low glutathione producers, which could leave generations less able to deal with heavy metals. Not only what may have been received in vaccines, but the metals we are all exposed to in our air, water etc. and other environmental assaults, the molecular mimicry (auto immune attack), a susceptibility to have neurological complications from an interplay of viruses/infections, etc. I am convinced that tics have become more prevalent as has autism. Some are saying that autism and autism spectrum disorders are an umbrella name for possibly many subsets of disorders. I'm SO hoping that the honest research from several sources that is finally getting underway, will provide some answers to the many questions that we have too. Kim

Soy-Based Infant Formula: Concerns and Recommendations Testimony presented to the US Food and Drug Administration http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:KoSzV...k&cd=3&ie=UTF-8