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  1. I don’t post much but am a long time member. I first posted in 2010 over a year after my daughter recovered from a severe 1 year long episode of PANDAS anorexia. That post is still available if you do a search. She was 10 and had overnight sudden onset severe anorexia /OCD. She had high aso titers for almost a year. There were very few people who could help us at the time so it took 3 months to even figure out the issue. She eventually returned to normal almost as suddenly as it came on. She has been great ever since. I posted another update in 2016 when she was starting college. She had no further PANDAS related issues until this year. She rarely was sick (probably because of her over reactive immune system) but we always continued to have her tested for strep even with a slight sore throat. She graduated from college in May of 2020. She was accepted to medical school later in 2020 and started in July of this year (2021). Her school was very pushy with the COVID vaccine which we did not want her to get but she got it anyway because she felt she was going to be prevented from fully participating in everything without the vaccine. I am not anti vax at all. We did delay her 12 y/o vaccines until she was 15 and she got them all separately. I just felt like the COVID vaccine risk vs benefit for her did not warrant it at all. Nevertheless, she received the vaccine in early June. When she started school in July she was loving school! She had met many new friends and was doing great. Fast forward to the last weekend of August, I received a call at 3 am from my daughter. She said for the last 24 hours she has had very severe anxiety and could not sleep at all. She said it started in the middle of the night before so she had not slept in almost 2 days. Things were getting really bad and we had to fly her home. She proceeded to be unable to sleep as well as unable to study. She said she was having trouble concentrating on even simple usually easy tasks. She was completely non functional as a medical student and after a few days took a short term leave from school. Before we even flew her home she had seen a psychiatrist who immediately put her on buspirone and gave her something to help her sleep. She was able to get small blocks of sleep at least but the anxiety was unchanged. She was able to eat but not eating very well. My normally super independent grown daughter was unable to make any decision and she was also frequently coming in my room at night and sleeping on the floor as if she were a child. She was a completely different person and we felt it had to be a PANDAS type situation. Fortunately a lot has changed in 13 years and we were able to get her in with an autoimmune neurology specialist. She typically saw pediatric patients but agreed to see my daughter due to her past history and her current situation. We did extensive blood work. This time the strep was negative. She had a positive monospot test (no recent illnesses) but her Epstein Barr numbers came back negative. She tested positive for both IgG and IgM antibodies for micoplasma (again no recollection of feeling poorly). She was given a course of antibiotics. We weren’t seeing any changes for the better. The buspirone was not seeming to help her anxiety/OCD at all. She said the only difference was she was not experiencing the physical symptoms she was the first week or so like the racing heart rate. The difficult part of this happening to your grown child is that they get to make their medical decisions. She was convinced that this was not autoimmune related and was annoyed I was asking the doctor about the vaccine. She kept blaming herself for everything. It was very hard to watch my typically positive energetic confident daughter turn into a self doubting mess. The doctor wanted to put her on a 5 week course of steroids but she was pushing back saying it would make her gain weight. She was not getting better and started getting pretty depressed. About 8 weeks into this (and 9 pounds lighter) with no improvement she made the difficult decision to take an extended leave from school and she agreed to start the steroid. At the same time, her psychiatrist put her on a low dose antidepressant. Literally a day after starting the steroid I noticed some changes in her mood and she seemed to be doing a little better. She was sleeping better too. She still was definitely having struggles but there was a definite improvement. Some time during about the third week of the steroid she became much better…almost to baseline. It has now been almost another 3 weeks and I feel her demeanor is mostly back to her normal happy self. She is eating well and has put back on a few needed pounds). This was, however, a big blow to her confidence as a medical student. She still believes it might have just been her being stressed but her dad and I know better. She will continue with counseling that we started to help her get her confidence back so she can hopefully return to school as the same caliber student they admitted. We still do not know for sure what caused this to happen after so long. My guess is that it was either the micoplasma or the COVID vaccine or perhaps both. Something turned her monospot positive too but it was not mono. We will be seeing her doctor in another couple of weeks and hopefully get blood work done again. I can tell you one thing is for sure. As they say…”out of abundance of caution” she will not be getting any COVID boosters. I just wanted to reiterate that I’m not antivax. I think the COVID vaccine has saved many lives. I just think that there is a possibility that it could play some role in autoimmunity. We just don’t know the answer yet. Until then everyone has to do that they think is best for their own situation. I just wanted to add my daughter’s story as just another case history.
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  2. I am also very appreciative of you sharing this. It is so much harder to pin the issue on the vaccine when there is a couple of months between the shot and the sudden onset. I take it that it was the first shot in early June, and then the 2nd shot 3 or so weeks later, and then the flare was late August. They typically don't follow issues after 6 weeks, which is a problem because then anything that happens after 6 weeks is immediately dismissed (which is very wrong, in my opinion). Have you considered reporting the event to the VAERS data base? Anyone can report. There is also a survey for P/P patients and reactions to the Covid-19 vaccine being run by the International Pans Registry (IPR). My guess is that she would have to sign up herself to do it. I don't know if there is anything in the survey criteria that would exclude your daughter, but it is very important (from a science point of view) for this kind of story to get included in such a study, and at VAERS (even though they will tend to discount on account of the timing).
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  3. Hello! I wanted to share some things that I think may be helpful to understanding a part of the puzzle, for some, with Tourettes and also OCD. Many years ago I was an active member on this forum. My son, Daniel, has Tourettes and I have OCD. The very good news is my son is now 19 years old and honestly you would never know he has Tourettes. He is doing amazing. Once in a while I see a little eye tic but that is it (but barely only when he gets nervous. What a difference from when he was 7 to 10 years old). But I want to share with you some insight that may help some of you that I have learned. I know there is so much information out there and our bodies are so complicated that it is not a one size fits all issue. I have found out that there is something in our family that is definitely an issue that was influencing my son's tics and also my OCD. It is histamine intolerance. Meaning that in my family our bodies are getting too much histamine in our bodies and it is affecting our neurotransmitters ultimately in my son's tics and for me obsessive thoughts. There are many, many articles out there about histamine intolerance and what to do but this is a tiny synopses. Histamine occurs naturally in many foods. Also, some people just do not have the right enzyme base to break it down or their bodies are just poor at processing it and what happens is your get this build up of histamine that ultimately changes the way your neurotransmitters are working. Histamine actually has multiple functions in the body not just affecting the neurotransmitters. Just do a Google search on "Histamine Intolerance or Mass Cell Activation Disorder" and you will get lots of info. When I was doing my research many years back for Daniel I kept coming back to histamine being a problem and how it affects the neurotransmitters (especially how it affect dopamine which drives the tics). So I have known about this histamine issue for some time but now it has become even clearer for me. When Daniel was younger I would give him supplements him B6, magnesium taurate, glycine (which helps with the neurotransmitters), zinc (do not take on empty stomach), vitamin c. These things all really helped him but I really did not understand why back then. So to take this a step further about 3 years ago my OCD was getting bad enough I spent the money and went to the Mensah Medical (I live in Arizona but they come here periodically but they also do phone consultations. They are based in Illinois) and it was verified that I indeed have this histamine intolerance along with a copper overload. I have been on a compound the Mensah Medical had formulated for me to lower this histamine response and deal with the copper overload and I feel soooo much better I cannot tell you. It really made a difference. The Mensah, unfortunately is pretty expensive, but I learned a lot and I learned that these obsessive thoughts (that I would take to personally that it was a reflection of who I was as a person) is something I could now separate myself from and realize this is part of a situation where my body is processing things biologically incorrectly due to this histamine issue/copper issue and it was not a reflection of who I was as a person ( OCD obsessive thoughts always goes after what you value most in life which is the most frustrating part of OCD). I was at the point back, when I decided to go to the Mensah medical, where I was obsessing about obsessing if that makes sense. I am Christian and I had prayed for an answer for my OCD and through a series of events I got my answer and it was the Mensah medical. So fast forward to now and my daughter who is 15 has been getting depressed, has bad migraines, and complaining that her stomach hurts all the time. It dawned on me the other day about this histamine issue and I thought I wonder if this could be going on in her but in a different way (when I started researching all her symptoms are symptoms of histamine intolerance). So the last few days I started giving her supplements to control the histamine more in her body B6, Magnesium Taurate, Quercetin, B2, Zinc, and NAC and also stopped giving her foods that are high in histamine and guess what her stomach is feeling better, her mood has changed, and her headaches are better! That is just after a few days. My other son, Zach, he is 18 and he has pretty bad digestive issues and I think this is what is going on with him too. That is the interesting thing with this histamine intolerance is it can affect people in different ways. So to tie this together even more, this past year 4 of our family members, one being Daniel, decided to do " 23 and me" genetic testing. Well if you purchase the 23 and me kit that shows your health traits you can see a lot of genetic things that could influence your health. When you pull up the "23 and me results" they show you all kinds of DNA health traits. But there are some DNA things they do not show and I found a website called Genetic Lifehacks. The lady who started this Genetic Lifehacks has an article that is called "Histamine Intolerance and genetics check your 23andme raw data". What I did is I opened up Daniel's 23 and me results (again you had to have the health traits ordered not just the ancestry results to do this") and also had this webpage up at the same time (I toggled between the two). The lady who created this has a list of links you can click on, in this article related to how histamine can be genetically influencing you, and you can click back and forth and see what your genetics can tell you about how you process histamine in your body (again if you look at just the standard 23 and me results you will not find this. You have to go to this extra step to find this. To no surprise I found out that Daniel's body has issues with processing histamine. I looked at my mom's and my husbands results and I found the exact same thing. What it is looks like is my children inherited from both sides of our family genes that make histamine a big issue for our family. So they got hit from both sides of our family genetically with histamine issues! My husband has had tinnitus the past few years and I had come across an article a while back about how histamine can be a huge influence on tinnitus (ringing in the ear or other sounds). My husbands tinnitus came out of now where and it is both ears. For some people they get tinnitus because of loud sound exposure but this was not my husbands case and so we had a mystery on our hands as to why. Well what I found out is that antihistamines (like Claritin or Zyrtec) they do not stop the histamine from being made they just block it. As a matter of fact what I read is the longer you are on those kind of antihistamines the more histamine your body makes it is just being blocked but it can cause tinnitus in some people. My husband has been on antihistamines since his 20s (he is now 53). So we took him off those over the counter drugs and he started taking vitamin c, quercetin (which is like a natural antihistamine) , zinc, nac and guess what his tinnitus has gone down significantly. It is not completely gone (I think it is because he still eats a high histamine diet and also there are foods/beverages that block the enzymes that break down histamines (like coffee and he drinks a lot of it). The other thing I want to mention and I cannot stress this enough is research hidden names of MSG! My son and i both REALLY react with our nervous systems to MSG and it is not just Chinese food. It is in so many products. Daniels tics would be way worse even with a little amount of MSG. MSG is a frustrating thing because it has to do with the molecules being excitatory. It is hidden under different names because what these food manufactures do is they take a food, like yeast or soy, and they cook it for a long period of time to enhance the flavor. In the midst of that long cooking process the molecules change to an exictatory state. . So when you see a product like "autolyzed yeast" or "hydrolyzed soy protein" they have an excitatory property in it for someone who has nervous system conditions. Wihen Daniel's tics were really bad (about 10 years ago) I did a ton of research on "hidden names of MSG" and we started avoiding those food (this also includes artificial sweeteners). I also found that foods with high fructose syrup and food dyes (especially red) affected him and me too. One time I ate a lot of Red Vines and my anxiety levels were off the charts. So I know I put a lot of information out there. There are doctors who specialize in histamine disorders (some call it Mass Cell Activation Disorder) (like the Mensah Medical I went to). The 23 and me health traits with doing the link between that other website I told you about might give you a lot of clues too but just do some research on histamine. I came across an scientific article last night when I typed in histamine and tourettes and it came up with this very complicated article about how histamine can be the driving force behind Tourettes. Again this many be an answer for everyone by any means but it is definitely something worth looking into. I really hope this can help someone out there in their quest to find answers. What is so interesting to me is the other day I prayed and asked God to show me what was going on with my daughter (her migraines have been so bad) and this histamine issue is what came back up after I prayed. That is when I started doing my research for her and it brought this thing full circle again). God is so amazing to me!
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  4. Also, Chemar…I have been reading all the books and doing all the things. We haven’t cut dairy yet, but may fo there next. Thanks for being a mainstay on this site to offer ongoing hope.
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  5. So we have been back from our vacation for a couple of days. During our trip the tics (coughing, neck cracking) were very minimal. If you weren’t aware, you wouldn’t have noticed. I was feeling hopeful. We continued with gluten free food on the road for the most part and sugar free and all the vitamins (fish oil, b, multi, and magnesium, and we traveled with his new dust mite free pillow-his blood test came back with dust mite allergy. He had PLENTY os sunshine and lots and fun and running around outside. However, since we have been back home, the neck cracking has become way more pronounced. He stretches his neck back in order to crack it and then sometimes also turns it to the side to crack. The cracking is often loud. Yesterday, he became frustrated and cried because in doing these moves, he said it wouldn’t crack and that was bothering him. I massaged his neck with magnesium lotion which he said made him feel better, but he continued to turn his neck to try to crack it. I put on some “past tense” roll oil on his neck (terra oil which is supposed to relieve tension), he also said that helped. He had a friend over later in the day, so the cracking was minimized, but came back later. This morning when he woke up, we all piled in the big bed together and cuddled. He started rolling his neck again, and he said, “Mommy, the cracks are more quiet today.” I asked of that bothered him and he said it did. I tried to ask him about what he felt before cracking his neck, and he said it made him feel comfortable. I asked if it was tense…but he didn’t really understand what I meant. He said, “Why do you think I crack my neck?” I told him it might just be a little tic and nothing to worry and he will probably outgrow it. Otherwise, we don’t talk about it or mention it. Has anyone else experienced this neck cracking tic? Is it possible it will fo away? What did you find helped with this tic? We see a neurologist Monday. Thanks for continued guidance and information.
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  6. We still have some tics here and there, but they are getting increasingly difficult to detect even by me. There still moments where tics do increase , but it's relatively a lot easier peak and relative to the first two years peaks duration is significantly shorter.
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  7. Chemar

    Tic Attacks in Car

    We have had numerous reports here of children ticcing more in *new cars* - but the post indicated this is a 2003 Ford Explorer?
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  8. We started a gluten free, dairy free, soy free, egg free, sugar free, no artificial flavours /colours diet on February 20 of this year. At this point my dd had been ticcing for 3 to 4 weeks. We had a couple of her worst days AFTER her diet changes. It was disheartening to say the least But we persevered and her tics are now 99% gone. We’ve since reintroduced eggs and I’ll be trying soy next. She will always be gluten free however. I should also add nightmares and stomach pains and joint pains are also gone. Don’t give up!
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  9. One week into some mold TX and very beginning of DNRS utilization. Daughter with tics is improving. So soon to really tell, but we are treating 5 of us for mold symptoms (e.g. I had extremely itchy eyes and headaches, fatigue). All are seeing improvements in moods and fatigue levels, except for husband-but he got his 2nd covid vaccine so not feeling great was expected.
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  10. Chemar

    Tinted lenses

    There is also a lot of good info on this on the Irlen website https://irlen.com/who-we-help/
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  11. kdelaney114

    Tinted lenses

    Hi tropea22 - When I was younger i had blue tinted glasses, Lights, screens, paper, etc. I found it to be very helpful for my Tourette’s because the color was so soothing for my eyes. After that I went 15 years without it and am just now getting back into using a blue tint. I’ve noticed it calms me and my tics I nstantly. ive noticed with tics that we are so sensitive to not only our diet, but every other one of our senses as well. For me loud noises trigger me, bright lights esp white, too much screen time and even watching tv will trigger me, my emotional state, different textures of clothes and foods, strong smells whether I like the scent or not, white paper. The list goes on lol, but I would highly suggest the tinted lenses as well as the colored screen protector that your child could put on top of books, the computer screen, etc. ive read that both blue and green are soothing colors for people with Tourette’s. For me personally, green doesn’t do much. I have always reacted the best to blue. i hope this helps!
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  12. Hi I have been asked to post our treatment protocol a number of times here and by emails so I have finally put it together in what I hope is a simple summary for anyone who needs more info on it. Although I have a background in Medical Research, with a postgrad degree in Physiology I am not a physician...this is the program that worked for my son, and and I must stress that we were at all times guided by a team of knowledgeable doctors. I urge everyone to work with a qualified physician! PLEASE NOTE! this post was originally written in 2004, and so has been updated with current information in the later posts of this thread Hope this answers your question...feel free to contact me if you need more details -------------------------------------------------------------------------- FIRST: I need to clarify that my son has genetically inherited Tourette Syndrome, and that my husband and his father before also manifest TS etc My son uses mainly supplements (vitamins, minerals, herbs and certain amino acids) and healthy diet as his "treatments" He was on prescription meds for a year, but had very bad side effects, and not much improvement in tics as well as a worsening of his OCD etc. His natural treatment plan was enhanced by detoxification from heavy metals (in his case mercury, and chlorella supplement was used followed at the end by alpha lipoic acid)) and also controlling yeast overgrowth(candida) in his digestive tract. (we initially used caprylate by Solgar but then found Candida Clear by NOW to be most effective) We also found that artificial foods were big tic triggers for him (coloring, sweeteners like Nutrasweet ie aspartame and Splenda ie sucralose, MSG ( beware its hidden names in food...!!), chemical preservatives and high fructose corn syrup) We ran allergy tests and did a process of food elimination, but he doesnt have any natural food allergies per se, only mild p-nut sensitivity so we avoid those. For some folks tho, things like dairy, wheat(gluten) etc can be allergens and so intensify tics, OCD etc My son was also able to identify other tic triggers that he has such as chlorine (he avoids pools now) and dustmite, mold etc and also most strong smells like in perfumes, and some household cleaners, air fresheners etc (some of this is probably related to his hypersensitivity to sensory things..ie taste, smell, touch, sight and sounds) Occupational therapy [/b] made a big improvement in his sensory issues from the Sensory Integration Dysfunction that so many folks with TS etc seem to have....tho he still removes all labels from inside clothing and wears his sox inside out as the seams drive him nuts There is an excellent article here at Latitudes on Tic Triggers http://latitudes.org...ng_triggers.htm Acupuncture has greatly benefited him too, as has reflexology and biofeedback (NOT neurofeedback) In addition he sees a NUCCA chiropractor who uses gentle pressure methods to help reallign him as ticcing frequently causes skeletal misalignment with resultant neuromuscular problems which cause pain and can even trigger more tics too! ( http://www.nucca.org ) He also had Cognitive Behavioural Therapy for the OCD, and occupational therapy helped with many of his Sensory Integration issues In addition we tested for PANDAs (strep negative) and Pyroluria (not an issue) as these can also be conditions that exacerbate tics, OCD etc We saw an INTEGRATIVE medical doctor (trained conventionally, but specialised in natural medicine) and she and her team worked together on my son's treatment and testing The OCD, depression, anxiety and other mood issues were always the most troubling for him, and the improvement that the supplements like primarily 5HTP & Inositol have made there are remarkable! (It is not a good idea to mix some of these with meds tho, so do note that!) I based the rest of his supplements on Bonnie Grimaldi's researched plan for her child. http://www.oocities.org/torcha.geo/ts_main_bonnie_sup.html She now has her own products, BonTech on the market which many people use with great success for tics ( www.BonnieGr.com ) but I still use the combinations that I initially implemented for my son, based on Bonnie's protocol but fine tuned to suit my son's specific needs, under guidance from a physician, as it WORKS and so I am reluctant to change anything. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Here is our program * multivitamin/mineral (the multi has all the good antioxidants,and other RDA supplements and is high in the B group vits, and I add an extra B1 ( IMPORTANT NO COLOR, FLAVOR OR FILLER IN THE MULTI!! ) * combo essential fatty acid supp containing flaxseed, borage and evening primrose oil ( My son is sensitive to fishoil, as some people are, but if you tolerate it, it is good to also use that) * Lecithin * Royal Jelly * ginko biloba(for ADD) * Inositol (for OCD & tics) * St Johns Wort (for OCD) * Vitamin B12 as METHYL cobalamin * P-5-P (vit B6) in the evening he gets * 5HTP (for OCD) (please note 5HTP can have bad side effects in some people so use with caution! and NEVER with medications that elevate serotonin!!) * Methionine (for OCD) (some people prefer samE) * calcium/magnesium/zinc combo( magnesium = main tic reducer) * taurine (main tic reducer) * GrapeSeed PLUS extract Boosts immune system and seems to also promote restful sleep. The blend I use also contains Bilberry for his vision as well as other essential antioxidants) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- When he is run down he also gets co-enzyme Q, and if we notice anxiety up I add GABA for short periods) He used to take L-carnitine, which many folks find very beneficial especially for vocal tic reduction, and relaxation, but lately he seems to get edgy from it so we discontinued it. The doseage of the supps depends on age and body weight so I have not included it here I stress again,ESPECIALLY if you are ON MEDS, it is a good idea to talk to a physician before adding or combining some of these supplements as interactions can occur which can be serious. Here is an excellent site for reading up on the various supps etc http://www.iherb.com/health.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I should also mention that when my son began his natural treatments, he had tested +ve for epstein barr virus, tho without mononucleosis. We therefore adopted a homeopathic and herbal/supplement/diet regimin as antimicrobial Things like monolaurin(lauric acid from coconuts) olive leaf extract, and cooking with garlic, ginger, turmeric, plus the candida Clear (which has oregano oil, wormwood, pau d'arco and other antimicrobials in it) Extra Virgin Coconut Oil (we like Nutiva) is also excellent uncooked, and drizzled over food. The probiotics we use are natural Lifeway kefir and Stoneyfield Farms Plain Organic Yoghurt L-lysine is also a good supp to prevent viral outbreaks information overload???? I will be happy to answer any questions! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- EDITED TO ADD: Certain of my son's tics were clearly interlinked with his OCD, and this was especially so with injurious ones. The psychiatrist who was working with him at the time educated us about this interaction between OCD and Tourettes (Tourettic OCD), and also about ENDORPHINS, the "feel good" chemicals naturally secreted by our brains when we experience pain. Sometimes repetitive injurious "tics" can be stimulating endorphins and so the patient keeps doing them because of this natural high. the amino acid phenylalanine, in its D form, promotes endorphin release and my son was on this for a while. It totally stopped these self injurious "tics" It isnt easy to find D-phenylalanine, but the DL-phenylalanine is more widely available. Please note that where just the L form helps with depression, it is the D form that is needed for the endorphin release. A very good way to also increase endorphins is moderate excercise. I should also point out that *some people may tic more from phenylalanine* as it is dopaminergic. This was not so for my son for the short time that he used it, but it needs to be noted. Also wanted to mention the tremendous benefit my son has from EPSOM SALTS tubs. The magnesium sulfate in the salts seems to have good results on tics, detox and relaxation. He has one most evenings. 2 cups epsom salts in a tub of warm water and approx 20 min soak. He drinks lots of pure water, or chamomille tea while in tub too. Epsom foot baths are good too! as is soaking a washcloth in strong epsom solution and apply to areas where tics happening most. Epsom cream also helps. (1.2 tbsp salts, saucer hot water. dissolve and mix into 1/4 cup aquaphor cream) Morton Salt has a very good Epsom lotion ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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  13. Hi there! I’m 25 now but was diagnosed at 7. I had intrusive sexual thoughts, thoughts of hurting others (these were rare and mainly about the people who took my blood because I was entered into a testing program since PANDAS was new-ish), intrusive thoughts about my parents dying (I think this is where a lot of the separation anxiety comes from for PANDAS kids because I was afraid to say the stuff out-loud in case it came true, I didn’t want them to get hurt I was afraid of losing them every moment of everyday), intrusive thoughts about really bad things happening to my dog (I remember fighting an OCD urge to make a symmetrical mark on my paper in first grade and suddenly I heard a yelp (I had hallucinations as well) and my brain kept telling me she was dead, intrusive thoughts about people coming to hurt me or take me away in the night. If you have any other questions I’d be happy to answer any of them. And if it helps at all, I’m a functioning adult (I work in an OR and i’m pursuing being a physicians assistant). I know it’s terrifying but I promise you, you and your kiddo are strong and will make it through this ❤️
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  14. kimballot

    New Hope New Year

    Hello fellow PANS/ PANDAS parents. Some old-time folks may recognize my name. Others are likely unaware of the struggles my family has endured for the last decade. I found this forum in 2010 after a H1N1 hit our family in the fall of 2009 and my son was hit with yet another PANS exacerbation. He was 12 years old at the time and had struggled with chronic sinusitis and Pans for much of his life, though the preceding 5 years had been relatively quiet as a result of a 2007 tonsillectomy. The H1N1 set off a major immune response that led us to Dr. B in CT who found a large muscle in his ethmoid sinus and immune deficiency. After emergency surgery, we started him on HD IVIG, which initially triggered a severe PANS exacerbation. After several months of repeated HD IVIG, he showed signs of bartonella infection and began treatment for that. Around 2015 he seemed to be at a standstill- requiring rifampin and doxy and HD IVIG every 8 weeks. He was able to attend school part time, eventually finish an alternative HS with a local degree, and take some part time classes at a community college with grades in theC-B range. Vocational rehab worked with us, but did not want to invest money in tutoring or books for college as he scored so very low in math they did not think there was ANY college degree he could ever achieve. In 2017 he started seeing a local immunologist who does work with mitochondrial disorder, who did some bloodwork followed by a muscle biopsy, which showed mito dysfunction. He followed this with a genetic blood test which showed a genetic mutation leading to mitochondrial structural problems. He started on a mitochondrial cocktail and was soon able to go to community college full time. His grades went from Bs to As and he was inducted into the honor society. He transferred to a 4- year college last year as a dual major in philosophy and computer information systems. He loves computer coding. He has a 4.0 average. He has friends, work, girlfriend. He is a nice guy. He is still on doxy and the infectious disease doc we work with cannot explain why, but thinks it is gut-related. We are still searching to get him off doxy. He has not had IVIG since January, 2018, and he is fine without it. I am not telling you this to brag. I am telling you this because 5 years ago I thought he would never be able to live independently. I am also not telling you this to say the your child has a mito disorder. I have been on these facebook pages and forums long enough to know that there are only two things our kids have in common: 1. Unexplained psychiatric symptoms linked to illness; 2. Parents that recognize #1. I know you are the fighter, warrior parent. I know you know your child best. I believe you will find what works best for your child. I don’t care if that is psychiatric meds, mito meds, a gluten free diet, or mold remediation. I believe you will find it and once you do you will hang on to it. I wish I could wave a magic wand and just relieve everyone of their worries. I know how desperate I was from 2010- 2018, I know how many times I logged into this forum and hung on every word I read, and I know how much positive stories helped. I hope this helps you in your journey and I wish you all the best.
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  15. He is great now, besides going gluten free and watching his diet, he is tic free. Please pray and believe it will pass by.
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  16. Hope36, I am so glad you saw our post. We started noticing certain foods would make his tics more noticeable & more out of control. We started removing all processed meats, especially hotdogs & brawts. We found these always made his tics flare up. We also cut out pizza, except for gluten free. We don’t believe he has a gluten allergy. However, most gluten free foods are also more natural with no preservatives & additives, which we believe affect our son. We also never eat Chinese food because of the MSG in it. It makes his tics awful. I buy only breads that state no high fructose corn syrup & it doesn’t seem to bother our son. I buy Healthy Life whole wheat bread at Walmart & also Sara Lee brand has some bread that is labeled no high fructose corn syrup. If we buy sandwich meat, turkey or ham, I buy Oscar Mayer Natural. It will show no artificial ingredients & no nitrates, which are additives to preserve longer. Our son likes peanut butter & Jelly so he eats that at school & we send lightly salted Pringles & organic granola bars. We also send organic annie’s Chocolate chip cookies a few days a week. I have also found that Kraft Mac & cheese does not affect him since they’ve removed the preservatives, etc. The Kraft Mac n cheese bowls are easy too. We mainly stick to all fresh fruits & vegetables & we cook at home primarily so we know what is in his food. I know it’s overwhelming, but over time it won’t be. Mainly stick to fresh fruits & veggies. Also we use Young Living oils because they are more pure. You should be able to find a local contact who may sell them in your area. I hope this helps & we are always here! Hugs
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  17. prestopony

    Supplements

    I'm sorry you're having trouble getting a doc to help, it's so frustrating. This board was so helpful to me. Like many kids, my 15 year old daughter was diagnosed with PANS after many years of suffering. She is on a lot of supplements, so it's hard to know which ones are really successful! We use: Enhansa for inflammation - follow the guidelines for slow introduction, we noticed a big herx as is said might happen. For anxiety, we use CDB oil and Lithium oratate. Her 23 and me showed folate issues, so she takes Methyl Assist. Magnesium Citrate along with Buffered Vitamin C for constipation (as needed, which used to be all the time at the beginning of treatment!) - I can't stress enough the brain/gut connection to think about during treatment. She takes Thera-lac probiotic too And Super Lysine Plus for immunity support. To balance out the stress of so many years of anxiety and poor sleep we use Cortisol Manger, and Seriphos - I think these are at the bottom of the list of what I think has really been helpful though And, she is on the low-FODMAP diet Upon initial diagnoses, her PANS doc put her on Augmentin which was amazing. Came off of it, flared, tried Zithromicin, didn't work, went back on another month of Augementin, came off of it, and stayed well. During flares, unless her bloodwork shows something, we use a month of Naproxen (regular over-the-counter Aleve) - and it works beautifully. So, treating the inflammation seems to be key during flares. I would think also that a too-short supply of antibiotics is not going to help. Now, my son, who does not have PANS that I know of, but is suddenly dealing with extreme intrusive thoughts and OCD (my daughter's was just EXTREME separation anxiety and EXTREME generalized anxiety) I'm taking what I know about inflammation and scouring this board for help - and trying some things with him: NAC - an amino acid that has had some documented success helping OCD in larger doses L-Theanine - another amino acid that promotes relaxation and calms the brain and elevates GABA and serotonin I just started him on Enhansa last week. Reason being we just found out that he's allergic to EVERYTHING - grass, trees, weeds, mold, dust, cats, chickens (we have eight), dogs (we have three) guinea pigs (we have two). So he has started allergy shots, but in the meantime I can only think that there is inflammation in him from all of these undetected allergies. His probiotic is called Mood-Super strains - with strains that are geared specifically towards anxiety and depression I just learned about this product yesterday from my sister-in-law. My son's cousin, who has OCD, takes 5-htp (another amino acid) and he says it helps a great deal. She uses the Natrol brand. He does not take any pharma for his OCD/anxiety, and said when he stopped taking the 5-htp he noticed he felt a lot worse, so he now takes it again. As far as pharma for my daughter for her anxiety, we held out as long as we could, but she became unsafe and jumped out of a moving car. So we eventually we put her on an SSRI - it worked a bit, but never really well, so we switched to another, it also worked a bit but never really well, so we added in another, which, as expected, worked a bit, but never really well. Fast forward to a year after PANS diagnoses, and this truckload of supplement she takes!, she is off of all pharma, she took a class at the local high-school (and I didn't have to sit in the class with her, lol!), she now sleeps over at friends houses, and is enrolled in the Community College for the fall. So while the psych meds helped a bit, they were not the final answer for us. Sending you good thoughts for your daughter - and lots of good thoughts for you too! Hang in there mom!
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  18. It's very scary the first time around. I feel your struggle. After 5 years tic-free, it was also kind of scary to recognize that my daughter had started experiencing tics. But then we realized that we know what to do. So far it's been manageable. Hopefully it stays that way. Doctors may tell you that these things are only treatable with medications. For us, that was just not true. The neuro even rolled his eyes when I told him I was seeing a nutritionist rather than treating it medically. They have their schools of thought and not all of them are based in reality. You're taking the right path. Good luck!
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  19. Caryn

    Is it possible...

    It took us almost two years after we started my son's strict diet before the tics finally went away completely. Hang in there. Don't stop the diet. If he is reacting to corn that strongly then you know you are on to something. You have to remember that antibody levels rise and fall SLOWLY. So it could be that your son has very high anti corn antibodies right now and so his tolerance is non-existent. It could take 6 months to two years to get those antibody levels down to the normal range. We have seen this with our son's gluten antibodies and the stool testing we do annually. After two years he still had elevated antibodies, although they were really close to the normal range. Don't quit, don't quit, don't quit. Now my son can have minimal corn without any tics. The diet takes time. That is all I can say. We monitor and limit the corn to 'special' occasions and he seems fine. We do NOT do any corn byproducts, syrups, or any artificial colors at all. I want to add that corn syrups, in particular HFCS, has mercury in it. Might be a factor with all these kids having neuro flare ups when they eat it regardless of corn allergy. Caryn
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  20. sf_mom

    Herxheimer Reaction

    I thought this important enough to post. In our healing process we have definitely experienced 'flairs' or flipping of the pages..... While I attribute some of this to new exposures, I also attribute some to Herxheimer's Reaction. Over the last 7 months we have definitely seen the saw tooth recovery with a movement up in baseline of symptoms with less and less of reaction to exposures. It has been a long a tedious recovery BUT because our son's primary presentation was TICS we are able to see a very physical response that is easier to measure than emotional. The body eliminates toxins by coughing, sweating, peeing or pooping it out of the body. Our son has definitely had coughing jags, chapped lips, yellow poops that all come and go with flairs of symptoms...... I guess what I wanted to say to is 'expect flairs' and anything you can do to help your child eliminate toxins will move recovery process along and their reaction to the flairs of symptoms. What Is The Herxheimer Reaction? The Herxheimer Reaction is an immune system reaction to the toxins (endotoxins) that are released when large amounts of pathogens are being killed off, and the body does not eliminate the toxins quickly enough. Simply stated, it is a reaction that occurs when the body is detoxifying and the released toxins either exacerbate the symptoms being treated or create their own symptoms. The important thing to note is that worsening symptoms do not indicate failure of the treatment in question; in fact, usually just the opposite. A Rose By Any Other Name Technically known as the Jarisch-Herxheimer Reaction, this syndrome goes by many names, including JHR, the Herxheimer Effect, the Herxheimer Response, a Herx Reaction, Herx or Herks. The most common terminology used is the Herxheimer Reaction. It is also often referred to as a healing crisis, a detox reaction, or die-off syndrome. History The phenomenon was first described by Adolf Jarisch (1860-1902) working in Vienna, Austria, and a few years later by Karl Herxheimer (1861-1942), working in Frankfort, Germany. Both doctors were dermatologists mainly treating syphilitic lesions of the skin. They noticed that in response to treatment, many patients developed not only fever, perspiration, night sweats, nausea and vomiting, but their skin lesions became larger and more inflamed before settling down and healing. Interestingly, they found that those who had the most extreme reactions healed the best and fastest. The patient might be ill for 2-3 days, but then their lesions resolved. A Medical Example The Herxheimer reaction is caused by the release of toxic chemicals (endotoxins) released from the cell walls of dying bacteria due to effective treatment. The Herxheimer Reaction is well recognized in medical circles and is certainly not confined to the world of natural medicine or supplements. For example, a recent study report (Feb ’04) on the treatment of Sarcoidosis found that, “. . . without exception, the improving patients are reporting periodic aggravation of their symptoms as an apparent direct response to the antibiotics. In other words, these patients say that their treatment makes them feel much worse before they experience symptom-relief.” The abstract of the study goes on to say, “This phenomenon is known as the Jarisch-Herxheimer Reaction (JHR) and is often referred to informally as Herx. JHR is believed to be caused when injured or dead bacteria release their endotoxins into blood and tissues faster than the body can comfortably handle it. . . . This provokes a sudden and exaggerated inflammatory response . . . . In Sarcoidosis patients, the Herxheimer reaction seems to be a valuable indication that an antibiotic is reaching its target.” In the conclusion, the author states: “In my work with Sarcoidosis patients, it is my experience that recovering MP patients understand and welcome the Herxheimer reactions even when they must endure temporary increased suffering. They accept it as the price that they must pay in order to get well and they even seem to find it gratifying to experience tangible evidence of bacterial elimination. “
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  21. Our son is a couple months from 11 now. He started the famous eye blinking at 8 and did the body jerks (arms, legs and some head) a couple months later. They waxed and waned for about 4 months then stopped. He still has some facial tics, mostly some eye blinking, then nose twitching and eye brow furrowing but the jerks never came back. Even now his tics are so minor no one but me seems to notice. He goes for months with nothing, the last week he has had some eye brow furrowing, but he has been playing games on his Game Boy and this seems to be a problem. This has been a long journey for (mostly me) us. Since this started, we have now have him gluten free, clean foods, Kids Calm and Bonnies TS Control vitamins. This program seems to work and he is about %95 tic free. Even when he does get a tic, it is only one and they typically last for a week to 10 days then stop. They will start back if he has anything with wheat or food with either artificial stuff and or chocolate. I have found Natural Remedies Tic Tamer to really settle the tics down a lot when he does get them. I believe he is growing out of the tics, he seems to have the less often and less severe the his original ones. I absolutely hate these tics, and even today with his eye furrowing, made me feel very depressed and mad. I have come to realize this is my problem. He gets upset if he sees me upset about his tics, but I don't think they bother him that much. He would rather play his games and eat candy (sometimes) and knows they will give him tics. I want him to be a kid, so I don't want him to have bad memories of these precious years. I am so glad he is getting a little older so he knows what will give him tics now. A little background: No family history of tics or TS He is very bright, no other commorbid issues. Never had any vocal tics yet They bug me way more then him His tics have made me love him more then I ever thought I was capable of, and I pray that one day he is over them. Until then, I have learned to take one day at a time. I use to have those butterflies in my stomach just waiting for him to get off the school bus hoping they would be hardly noticeable. I travel a lot and still ask my wife every night "how are his tics?" Not sure why I decided to write this, just felt compelled and hoped I could offer some help. I feel like I went through the darkest days of my life since my father passed away 11 years ago and will leave you with this: He will get better and so will you. Lenny
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  22. Nan

    These Treatments Helped us!

    My daughter's tics (at that time I didn't know they were tics) started soon after she turned 5. It started as a throat clearing tic which we thought was due to seasonal allergies and kept treating her for it. The tics did not improve at all and we were really confused as to why none of the allergy meds are helping her. A year went by with her throat clearing tics still present. A few months ago, her throat clearing tics stopped completely and were replaced by eye blinking tics. That is when I stumbled upon this website and realized that what she has been having all along were tics. Then we tried magnesium for a while with minimal improvements. I discontinued magnesium when I didn't see any value in giving it to her. We did allergy testing and found she was allergic to quite a few common food allergens, egg being the main one. After we eliminated the food allergens from her diet, she is now completely tic free and has been like this for a couple of months . I will continue to monitor her and update the boards if anything changes. Hope everyone here finds the path to recovery from tics soon. -Nan
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  23. Shortly after my son turned 6, he had a sudden & acute head tic, then later with other motor & vocal tics. We have done the following treatments: acunpuncture, chiropractic, CST, Chinese medicine, ND with supplements, NAET & Bioset. My son's tics did calm down after about 2 acunpuncture sessions, but the needles caused him much stress & anxiety, so we abandon this treatment plan. My son had modest improvement with chiropractic. NAET has eliminated his asthma and chronic bloody nose. It also helped some with his environmental allergies. CST has been very helpful with his neck pain that triggers his neck tic. It is almost completely gone. Unda #s from my son's ND seems to be helpful as well. Kids Calm & epsom bath is very helpful for stablizing the tics. I have switched from NAET to Bioset recently. I believe this will eliminate my son's allergies and tics. I will report more on this after more treatments. Finding a qualified practitioner made a world of difference in my son's well being & tics. We have gone thru 2 CST therapists and the 3rd one who is also my son's ND gave very positive result. Also, we have gone thru 2 NDs. My son's first ND caused more damage than good. However, our current ND made progress with my son. My son is 98% tic free and when he is waxing, it is mild & infrequent and gone within days or sometimes just hours. Even when he is waxing, he is about 90% better than before. For parents out there who are new to this, i would say things do get better and become manageable. I have great hope that many of you will find your way and my son will be completely tic-free. Pat
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