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Nancy..you can throw me in the pile of lower back and hip pain. I really think that the ligaments are affected which sets the stage for misalignment. I can't tell you how much chiropractic adjustment helped me almost immediately. I had to take vicodin to even stand up to get to the chiro. If you can get into someone before the holiday, you might be spared a lot of agony. I had swelling that she could see and feel. Biofreeze and ice helped after the adjustments too. Also, make sure you sit on something firm, especially if you're spending a lot of "internet" time. Btwn the stress and what ever underlying things are happening, I think we are really sitting ducks for these problems!

tantrums, found a copy of the article that I was thinking about Chitin May Be Responsible for Allergies to Shellfish, Dust, and Mold http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/227891/chitin_may_be_responsible_for_allergies.html?cat=70 Did you have any thoughts on why you saw the reaction to shell fish that appeared the same as the antibiotic reaction?

From what I gather, they test for a protein in the muscle of the shell fish, for allergy. I wonder if he may have been reacting to the shell....the chitin. Is he allergic to dust mites?

Tantrums...how long did this reaction take to show up?

Hope you all will have patience with the me being a newbie to this particular forum. I'm wondering if anyone has thoughts on this study or if anyone could point me in the direction of the thread where it was discussed? As I was scanning this thread, it seemed like a good place to ask this question! http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15695691 Evidence of Borrelia autoimmunity-induced component of Lyme carditis and arthritis. Department of Pathology, New Jersey Medical School, University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey, 185 S. Orange Ave., Newark, NJ 07103, USA.

Some very good immune system/alopecia stuff in here. My DH has had AA http://www.nahrs.org/home/Default.aspx?tabid=60 norcalmom, did a reg dentist remove your fillings or someone who specializes in it?

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Health/20101017/small-vessel-vasculitis-101017 Hope for kids with dangerous inflammatory disease I guess anyone who is questioning these things instead of automatically handing out psyc drugs is a friend, but still a little frustrating to read. could this possibly be an inflammation???????

Johnsmom, Maybe you already know this, but I thought this was helpful "in a nut shell," type of way regarding the CH50. http://www.clinlabnavigator.com/Test-Interpretations/complement-profile-total-hemolytic-complement-ch50-c4-c3.html?letter=C

Wondering if you have checked out goggle image for erythema marginatum (a condition which may be linked to strep antibodies...if I'm remembering correctly). I'm wondering if the two conditions could be mistaken for one another?

SF MOM Do the freckles that you're refering to look like the smaller pic of the two, on the right? http://www.reddotsonskin.com/petechiae

nevergiveup, I remember reading that early on too and almost had a coronary. I don't believe any of the products discussed here contain it though http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:mfHgEqla2DwJ:www.formularymonographs.com/FMSRTF/fandc-fms1904.rtf+package+insert+IVIG+products+thimerosal&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us Glad you found the article as interesting as I did. seems this possibility is something they leave out of the risk/reward equation.

These are a couple of things that parents struggling with this decision might want to take into account too. The 2nd article about the flu shot making you more susceptible next year, raises an important question in my mind. If the antibodies can create confusion for "next year," (he is assuming that they are guessing right, as to which strains are circulating each year) how about in the same season? Can vaccine induced antibodies make it less likely that your body will use the right antibodies to fight off other strains or "flu like illness?" I'm wondering if anyone has heard about this 1st study from their physician? http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14868 Children Who Get the Flu Vaccine Have Three Times Risk Of Hospitalization For Flu, Study Suggests http://www.rice.edu/sallyport/2003/fall/sallyport/flu.html Will a Flu Shot This Year Make You More Susceptible Next Year?

For those of you who might not be aware of this, thought it was worth posting so if you do decide to go ahead with any flu vaccine you will take the message seriously (that others have mentioned) in regards to thimerosal free vaccines (along with all of the other issues to consider in regards to vaccines). bolding and underlining mine http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/cdc-mercury-in-vaccines-d_b_66007.html CDC: Mercury in Vaccines Damaged Your Child. Or Not. Can't help but to wonder how these studies would be viewed in light of the issue which is before the Supreme Court for review. http://www.dailyfinance.com/story/company-news/before-the-high-court-can-drug-companies-be-sued-over-vaccine-d/19675533/ Before the High Court: Can Drug Companies Be Sued Over Vaccine Designs?

Mary, Read this insert and I think it will answer this question for you. https://www.vaccineshoppe.com/image.cfm?doc_id=5972&image_type=product_pdf Read the incidence of tetanus reported in the highest year they could find (1947.. prior to widespread use of the vaccine) Read the section labeled "nervous system." Read the CONTRAINDICATIONS section A hypersensitivity to thimerosal???? Yea, bet this will jump right to your Doc's mind. Most that I have tried to talk to about this have NO CLUE and act like you're nuts, yet the manufacturer warns about it. Read the statement a little further down that starts with this IT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT WHEN THE CHILD RETURNS FOR THE NEXT DOSE Now, discuss this with your DD Dr. and ask why he/she isn't doing their job, if you aren't questioned concerning the occurrence of ANY SYMPTOMS AND/OR SIGNS OF AN ADVERSE REACTION TO A PREVIOUS DOSE.

That was my thought too. My oldest son had those itchy ears and it was awful. Sweet Cheeks MOM, did your son have cradle cap as a baby? How about excessive ear wax?

Fixit, does that mean that he had 4 doses of Prevnar? Can you remind me of how old your son is again?

Fixit, I think Buster came up with the best data on how long it might be reasonable to see elevated titers from vaccination with Prevnar. I don't know if it was all that conclusive and I'm not really the one to try to interpret. My general feeling on this subject is, without vaccination and then a challenge with revax, I personally wouldn't base a decision about something like pursuing IVIG based on the type of info in Kara's original post (and I wouldn't be comfortable with a vax challenge). I'm not saying that I know all of the info. and that her Dr. doesn't have a good explanation of why he thinks her daughter's results are significant, just that I think it's a good idea to have a good understanding on topic before basing decisions on it. Are you saying that your son showed protective levels to 2 of the strains contained in Prevnar, and one other ? Did your Dr. find that significant in your son's case?

ok this was where I got that from Under Discussion http://www.clinchem.org/cgi/content/full/53/3/505

Kelly, I don't think the test is even the same. I think that vaccination with Prevnar excludes those strains when testing for capsular polysaccharides. In other words, you would exclude the stains in Prevnar and chose strains that are likely to be circulating in your region aside from those found in Prevnar. I think the reason was that the antibodies that respond to Prevnar would have been induced by a different antidody since they are not responding to the cap. polysaccharide? I have something around here saved on this subject. I'll have to see if I can find it. I remember it seemed complicated!

Kara, Did your daughter receive Pneumovax or Prevnar? Was there a challenge by revaccination prior to titer testing? I'm having such a hard time with this statement. While I'm by no means any expert in this area, I'm just not understanding how an 8 year old is supposed to show protective antibodies to 23 serotypes.

I wonder if anyone thinks that there may be some overlap with the condition being described here and PANDAS. Again, I'm going back to the reactivity of the immune system to the N acetylglucosamine in the strep wall. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chitin Chitin (C8H13O5N)n (pronounced /ˈkaɪtɨn/) is a long-chain polymer of a N-acetylglucosamine, a derivative of glucose, and is found in many places throughout the natural world. It is the main component of the cell walls of fungi, the exoskeletons of arthropods such as crustaceans (e.g. crabs, lobsters and shrimps) and insects, the radulas of mollusks and the beaks of cephalopods, including squid and octopuses. Chitin may be compared to the polysaccharide cellulose and to the protein keratin. Although keratin is a protein, and not a carbohydrate like chitin, keratin and chitin have similar structural functions. Chitin has also proven useful for several medical and industrial purposes. from the paper above I don't know what "glycerinated extracts," refer to here, but I have looked at "chitin" as being a possible problem for allergic/PANDAS types. Dust mites, and cockroach and even cat hair may be causing reactivity along the same pathways? https://www.achooallergy.com/blog/chitin-suspected-cause/ Research Group Studies Chitin As Suspected Cause of Allergies & Asthma http://health.msn.com/health-topics/asthma...p;wa=wsignin1.0 Asthma and Allergies: Sizing up a Suspected Cause Thought this was interesting too, in regards to the dry eye complaints http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19512904 Acidic mammalian chitinase in dry eye conditions.

All this really says to me is that the vaccine didn't work as well at prompting the immune system to respond, if the child was already carrying the bacteria at the time the vaccine was given. Is the reduced response in this case a good or bad thing? It would appear that the body has recognized the bacteria in some way, even tho it wasn't infectous and the immune response was lessened? If that's the case, it's interesting. One thing that occurs to me tho, is that the vaccine does not act in the body in a natural way (the way the immune system would respond during natural infection) so what conclusions can be drawn from this in relationship to carriage and infection where a vaccine isn't involved, I wouldn't even have a guess. We all carry bugs that can cause problems IF they become invasive and the immune system is overwhelmed for what ever reason. What really concerns me about this, is the fact that the PCV 7 appears to have increased the incidence of a nasty strain of S. pneumoniae, 19A, (and others) which is highly antibiotic resistant http://www.naturalnews.com/023241_pneumoni...ia_disease.html Bacteria have the ability to "share" their characteristics. We don't want antibiotic resistant strains to circulate. I'm assuming more infections with this strain=more carriage, too. Now, they have developed a vaccine that contains 19A. What happens if the same principle applies? Will people who were "carriers", mount a lesser immune response? Would that pose a problem? They didn't say if any of the children in the study that Peg posted, went on to develope "infectious" disease at a higher rate in the kids where the lessened immune response was noted. Just a few quick thoughts

This abstract regarding the work by Thaddeus Stappenbeck et al. (he's one of the researchers mentioned in the original article) kicked up some interesting things to think about! I have been looking for info on "leptin" because of the involvement in appetite regulation for quite a while now, and the info on "adiponectin" was new to me and interesting too. Cheri, isn't it nice to see some of our older research (toxins) and newer info come together? Thanks for posting this. For those who don't like to weed thru this sort of info, there are some links at bottom for newer research on probiotics, and a crohn's/vit d article http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18849966 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autophagy_(cellular) In cell biology, autophagy, or autophagocytosis, is a catabolic process involving the degradation of a cell's own components through the lysosomal machinery. It is a tightly-regulated process that plays a normal part in cell growth, development, and homeostasis, helping to maintain a balance between the synthesis, degradation, and subsequent recycling of cellular products. It is a major mechanism by which a starving cell reallocates nutrients from unnecessary processes to more-essential processes and it may help to prevent or halt the progression of some diseases such as some types of neurodegeneration and cancer,[3] and play a protective role against infection by intracellular pathogens; however, in some situations, it may actually contribute to the development of a disease. and During nutrient starvation, increased levels of autophagy lead to the breakdown of non-vital components and the release of nutrients, ensuring that vital processes can continue. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leptin Function Leptin acts on receptors in the hypothalamus of the brain where it inhibits appetite by (1) counteracting the effects of neuropeptide Y (a potent feeding stimulant secreted by cells in the gut and in the hypothalamus); (2) counteracting the effects of anandamide (another potent feeding stimulant that binds to the same receptors as THC, the active ingredient of marijuana); and (3) promoting the synthesis of a-MSH, an appetite suppressant. This inhibition is long-term, in contrast to the rapid inhibition of eating by cholecystokinin (CCK) and the slower suppression of hunger between meals mediated by PYY3-36. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adiponectin Function Adiponectin is a protein hormone that modulates a number of metabolic processes, including glucose regulation and fatty acid catabolism.[3] Adiponectin is exclusively secreted from adipose tissue into the bloodstream and is very abundant in plasma relative to many hormones. Levels of the hormone are inversely correlated with body fat percentage in adults,[4] while the association in infants and young children is less clear. The hormone plays a role in the suppression of the metabolic derangements that may result in type 2 diabetes,[4] obesity, atherosclerosis,[3] non-alcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFLD) and an independent risk factor for metabolic syndrome.[5] this was interesting! Berberine, an herbal folk medicine, has been shown to increase adiponectin expression[18] which partly explains its beneficial effects on metabolic disturbances. * * * * * * * * * http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/176550.php Promising Probiotic Treatment For Inflammatory Bowel Disease http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/190809.php Symptoms Of Digestive Disorders Alleviated By Probiotic Found In Breast Milk (pros and cons have been discussed before on this one http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/177447.php Sufferers Of Crohn's Disease May Benefit From Vitamin D Supplements

Johnsmom, Was any blood work done? I'm wondering if your sons blood sugar levels are ok. I sure hope I'm not adding to your anxiety here, but I personally know of 2 children who have developed diabetes with strep infections. Did you mention his increased fluid intake? Has that subsided? Sure hope things are improving

Something to think about in regards to titer testing. Also, when we were all trying to find info on a reasonable amt of time that a certain vaccine being to used to determine "immuno deficiency," why was it so hard to come up with good data on that? A certain advantage in lack of info. maybe? http://www.beyondconformity.org.nz/_blog/H...cine_questions/