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In regards to the post about calcium and bedwetting. The same poster from the other board who originally posted about this, added the message, that the calcium used, has to be Calcium Carbonate. She said the calcium carbonate had only failed twice in 8 months, because she thought they had forgotten to give. She said when they tried calcium citrate, it did not work at all.

Again tonight the question and answer session with Dr. Neubrander was very informative. A lot of the discussion was in regards to B12 injections which seem to have some pretty amazing results with some of the ASD kids and some NT (neuro typical) kids, with other issues too. 3 for 3 isn't bad. I got to post a question and have it answered again. My question was "Do you treat many patients with Tourette/Tic Syndromes with any success?" I have a self limited eater with tics. Any tests or supplements that you find most beneficial? It seems like many parents are starting to use DAN! Dr.s for treatment." His answer went something like this -no, I do not see many patients with this disorder, but it's good to look in this direction. I knew of a doctor that could answer your questions and I would tell you to e mail me for his name, but it's packed away in boxes in my office, and I don't think I can find it. I know he treated one guy that beef (beef?) caused his Tourettes, and when he got off beef, the symptoms stopped. Parents using DAN! Drs. are good, we have the bio chem, the vitamins, mineral and all of that, and we need to look at the bio med. Food allergies were mentioned in there somewhere and that is not an exact quote. Just from memory. I was almost afraid to ask the question. It would not have surprised me for a response like "this is a forum for parents dealing with Autism", ...this gentleman is a very straight shooter. But the more I listened to him, the more I liked him. He said not to give kids "more" just because "some" is working. He said, it's expensive, and they just pee it out! He said 10% of what he knows, he learned in medical school, the rest he's learned from parents. He's very big on videoing the kids who show big gains with different treatments. NDF was discussed again, and he asked parents to keep him informed as to what results they are seeing. There is someone that takes notes and a poster told me I could e mail her for the notes from all three nights. I will ask her if it's ok to post them here, I don't think it will be a problem, as she said she just shoots them out to the groups. Probotics and enzymes talked about again. He said to take apart from each other, so the enzyme does not destroy the probotic. Lot's of other important things discussed, however since I am not dealing with an Autistic Child, I had to be patient, and wait to hear about things I was fimiliar with. A lot of question were in regards to chelation. All three nights I had the impression that, when you start supplements, if your child has been deplete, you may activate pathways which had not been working previously, and that sets off a chain of events. Maybe when our kids have a flair after using a product like Bonnie's vits, or juicing or what ever you have seen improvement with, it's just the body needing an adjustment in something that they need more of to keep the healing going? The zinc copper ratio, was discussed again also. Hope I can get the notes for anyone interested. Kim

Lisa, http://emporium.turnpike.net/P/PDHA/mercury/iaomt.htm http://www.mercurypoisoned.com/protocol_iaomt.html This might help. Kim

Andy, This is a thread from an Autism forum where parents have started using NDF. Thought you might be interested. Kim http://www.autismweb.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=485&start=0 An NDF site 50 reasons to use - http://www.healthydetox.org/ndf/50_reasons.html

Andy,Daniel, Anyone? Was anyone there for Dr. Usman tonight? I simply can't believe these chats are available for the parents exploring ASD. I remember someone from this group posting a high ammonia level from testing. You mention this with your son Andy, I suspect it with one of my sons at least. I look at the testing that has been done for heavy metals for the children of people in this group, and I just can't believe that there isn't a connection. Where is the regular medical community in all of this. Just look at the credentials of the speakers for bio chat, and these Drs. we see regularly tell us there is no such thing as intestinal yeast overgrowth that causes problems, or act like we're ridiculous for not wanting thermerisol containing injections? Or act like we're foolish for questioning the ability of our children to utilize whats in the blood, due to a damaged or malfunctioning pathways? Low enzyme production? Food sensitivities that don't show with conventional testing? Just doesn't make sense. There was a text message talking about someone in the group from bio chat taking awesome notes, it was said she would post them on a couple of groups, GFCF was one mentioned. If I find it, I will post link. For any of you starting with a DAN Dr. or trying to understand the bio issues involved here, I highly recommend listening to these speakers. I had a hard time with the audio again tonight. It kept cutting out-so frustrating! Tomorrow for Dr. Neubrander, I will be at a different computer, is anyone else having this problem, or is it my speakers/computer? Kim

Carolyn, I know the mask picture you saw may look scary, however, I had a fractured amalgam filling replaced not that long ago. I had read very little about this at that time, but did ask my dentist if they were safe. He said amalgam does not cross the blood/brain barrier and said "yes" he considered them safe. He went on to remove and replace the filling. I swallowed a small piece of something, so if I show up here, thinking it's the cooking channel chat, you'll know why. I think the reason for the masks are, when they remove the fillings, the dust that is released should not be inhaled. The only other thing I have read is taking vitamins, some even do an IV during removal, and the extra precautions taken for the dental team and the patient regarding carefully removing, and not inhaling/swallowing the the debris. I think that is way less scary than what happened to me. I have 1 filling in my mouth, wouldn't you know it would have to fracture within months of my becomming aware of this. There were no precautions of any kind taken during the removal. Is the, almost med free causing you any problemes? It sounds like you're doing well and really commited. I sure hope this road leads you to a wonderful place. Kim My Mom had a root canal yesterday, I had told her to ask about a different material for filling especially if they were going to put a crown on anyway. She said when she asked about this, they said they do not use amalgam in their office, at all. This was the first time I had heard such a thing. Could this be a dentists way of not being put in a position of ethically not being able to disclose that they think it's dangerous?

I actually got to post a message and have it answered live on this forum tonight. My question was "Do you have any advise for children with Tic issues? What tests/supplements might be most beneficial?" Dr Shaw's response was to say that the biggest break through in this area has been in regards to the streph infection-PANDAS connection, he talked about the unreliability of the throat swab and said you need the ASO and anti dnase tests. He went into a little more detail, but I believe the same info. is in Ronna's post. He said it could be treated with antibiotics and referred to the effects of the streph antibodies, on the basal ganglia. He also made the remark that Clostridia could be a factor, and he has heard reports from parents that a few days on Culturelle had taken care of tics in their children. He did not respond to the second part of the question. This is from memory and some scribbled notes, and much noise and commotion in my house, so don't hold me to the accuracy of any of this information, please. He talked about levels of low lithium do to people drinking bottled water, and how the bad things may not be present but some good things are lost too. He recommended hair testing for monitoring lithium levels. I believe he said lithium is not found in food, only water. Oh Andy, I do have a note on NDF and chlorella-SP? -He said since there are studies for working with the two agents you are currently using for detox, he felt more comfortable with those. I think he said, if those were unsuitable, he would more throughly reseach these other two, or if more studies became available on these??? Something to that effect. The picky eater subject was brought up by a poster. Dr. Shaw said the biggest culprits were high ammonia, if they avoided meat, and to make sure there wasn't urea cycle defect and to have orotic acid levels checked as protein in this situation can be dangerous, also zinc deficiency, or the opiate addiction can cause a loss of hunger for other foods, the 4th reason he gave was candida. More accurate information on these things-since this is my scribbled notes, can be found here http://www.greatplainslaboratory.com/yeast2.html He mentioned tetnus booster and flu shots as still containing thermerisol, I was surprised he didn't mention the DT booster, will have to check that again. He talked about the importance of IGg testing, for some children and acknowledged the fact that some allergists didn't find it reliable; but my impression was that he thought it was beneficial. He also gave a list of supplements that he personally takes, I thought this was interesting, again please don't rely on the accuracy here, and to the best of my knowledge, he was not recommending anyone take this, he simply stated he did think supplements were beneficial and stated what he took. 3000 mgs vit C 1000 calcium 300 mgs. Magnesium 30 mgs. zinc 100 mgs. B6 1 tsp. fish oil 500 micrograms lithium 1 multi vitamin Aluminum in tap water was discussed. He said alum. sulphate is used in final purification process. Recurrent Candida due to Immune deficiency or vaccine damage. He recommended urine and blood ( do both tests) for amino acid deficiencies, and warned not to take a combo amino acid supplement-only supplement for known deficiencies. This was a very unexpected surprise and I sat on the floor with a speaker to my ear for 1 hour and 45 minutes, while life went on around me. I missed some things, but I'm glad I got as least as much as i did. Digestive enzymes and probotics were discussed too, but I was having sound difficulties, and don't remember anything particularly note worthy about either one. Mainly things that have been discussed here before, or that can be found on enzyme web site. Kim

***This thread contains notes taken by a parent/parents listening to BioChat. There is no guarantee as to the accuracy or content. Any information or treatments discussed are for informational purpose only. ALWAYS SEEK THE GUIDANCE OF QUALIFIED MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS*** > Clear your calendars and get your questions ready! > > Tuesday June 28, 9:00pm EST > Dr. William Shaw, Ph.D. > Dr. Shaw obtained his doctorate in biochemistry, genetics, and human > physiology from the Medical University of South Carolina. He is > certified in the fields of clinical chemistry and toxicology by the > American Board of Clinical Chemistry. Dr. Shaw worked for six years in > nutritional biochemistry, endocrinology and immunology at the US > Centers for Disease Control and for twelve years in Smith Kline B > eecham Clinical Laboratories where he was involved with specialized > medical testing for toxicology (poisons and drugs), immunology, tumor > receptors and endocrinology. For the subsequent five years, William > was an associate professor at the University of Missouri at Kansas > City (UMKC) School of Medicine. At the same time, he served as > Director of Clinical Chemistry, Toxicology and Endocrinology and the > organic acid testing for metabolic conditions at UMKC's Children's > Mercy Hospital. Currently, William serves as Director of The Great > Plains Laboratory for health, metabolism and nutrition in Lenexa, > Kansas. He specializes in metabolic and nutritional factors in a wide > range of human diseases, with a special focus on the the metabolic, > infectious, nutritional, and immunological causes of autism and PDD. > > > Wednesday June 29, 9:00pm EST > Dr. Anju Usman > Anju Usman, MD is director of True Health Medical Center in > Naperville, Illinois. She specializes in the treatment of biochemical > imbalances in children with ADD and autism. She has been involved in > research involving copper/zinc imbalances, metallothionein > dysfunction, and metallothionein promotion therapy. She is one of the > most renouned DAN doctors around. > > > Thursday June 30, 9:30pm EST > Dr. James Neubrander > James Neubrander, M.D. graduated from Loma Linda University in 1975, > trained as a pathologist at the University of South Florida, became > board certified in Environmental Medicine, and received additional > training in diagnosing and treating heavy metal disorders. He began > working with children on the autistic spectrum in 1992. Since 1999 his > practice consists almost exclusively of children on the autistic > spectrum and children with other neurodevelopmental delays. He uses > numerous biomedical approaches but specializes in the use of > subcutaneous injectable methylcobalamin. (MB-12) > > You can download the free chat program here > http://www.drneubrander.com/page6.html > > Chat starts at 9pm eastern time. > > Hope to see you all there!!

Sarah, If even 1/10 of this article is true, it just makes my blood boil. http://www.the7thfire.com/health_and_nutri...or_children.htm

Marie, For anyone following this issue, especially regarding the questions we have about vaccinations/boosters, I wondered if this study may help my pediatrician understand my concern about having my boys boosters done, and if it would convince him to test titers instead of just "doing it". I can't tell how great the risk is of developing tics from the #'s in this study. Anyway, you may want to read this thread on Braintalk as there is a debate going on right now that I'm following. This is the link to the 3rd page of the thread, so go back, to start reading if interested. http://brain.hastypastry.net/forums/showth...?t=88719&page=3 Kim

Robin, Just a couple other thoughts. Are you up to full recommended dose on Bonnies vitamins? I ask because, as I have said before I am only giving my 12 year old 10 of the vits. 1 fish oil and an occasional mag. taurate, which is only 1/2 for his age/weight. When he did the head shake the other day, I told him to take a mag. taurate. He said he didn't want to because they made him sleepy. Is that possible? I have read where mag. has a calming effect, but that remark surpised me. You know, these are my uneducated remarks, and I have had no physician guidance, but from what I have read, if you become high in magnesium, you will get the big D. I have never seen this with either of the boys with the vitamins. If oldest does flair, my plan is to increase the vitamins by 2, bringing him to 12, and give a mag taurate maybe once every 3rd day for a short time and give him 2 fish oils instead of one. I have given him a little extra calcium when he has taken the mag taurate. Bonnies vitamins have a 1:1 ratio of mag to cal. I have read here and other places where a 2:1 ratio with calcium/mag is not a bad idea. Also have given a little extra zinc, as at the level I use of the vits, he's not getting even as much as in a regular multi vitamin. It will be really wonderful to be able to run these things by the DO in July. I have been trying to educate myself, but saftey is always the primary issue, and I will welcome the guidance so much. I guess my impression right now is that magnesium can be depleted so easily due to many factors, I'm wondering if this maybe key in controling symptoms? Since your using the vitamins too, would really like your input. Kim

Robin, You mentioned the chlorine. I too am keeping an eye on this. I have read with caisen sensitivities, that it can take up to 6 months for it to leave your system. Is this a possibility with other things too? If our kids do react, maybe it's possible that it takes longer for the effects of exposure to go away, than we'd expect. Last year someone had told me how their whole family used those floating, I think they are ioinizers? to sanitize their pools. This person was really impressed with the way they worked. He said he will add a little chlorine after heavy use, once in a while, but had been using it for about 6 years. My understanding is, it works with the sun somehow. I was thinking it could be removed when the boys were in the pool, and for now, am trying to keep the chlorine on the light side, and adding it a few hours before they swim . We also had to add a lot of stabilizer this year. I'm not liking these chemical, but what do you do? If anyone has used the ionizer, would really like to hear your opinion. Kim

Sarah, Since your response to the question I asked you regarding Dr. Rapp's book was an enthusiastic "yes", I would really like to say that I think a second opinion with an Integrative Physician-an MD, which is also experienced with Alternative therepies as Chemar recommends or DAN! Dr. would be a really good idea for your son. It seems at least some, if not many children with movement disorders have problems in this area too and may improve with treatment. I think it is definitley worth looking into as soon as possible, especially as it sounds as if it has been an on going problem? Is your Pediatrician suggesting treatment? Did the Neurologist have a recomendation regarding switching away from soy formula? Aside from the maganease concern, some who are sensitive/allergic to milk are also to soy. Wouln't it be wonderful if your son improved with only treatment of the first issue, and a switch in formula? Some parents have used goat or rice milk as an alternative, maybe your Pediatrician could advise you if a switch would be ok as a trial. Since I haven't received a response from PM regarding discussion of this here ( so many others here have more experience and better advice than I can offer) Please let me know, either in private message or just post here, if there is any way to help. I know this is a hectic time for you and just want to remind you that everyone here is really good at offering support. Kim

RESULTS: In phase I at HMO A, cumulative exposure at 3 months resulted in a significant positive association with tics (relative risk [RR]: 1.89; 95% confidence interval [CI]: 1.05-3.38). At HMO B, increased risks of language delay were found for cumulative exposure at 3 months (RR: 1.13; 95% CI: 1.01-1.27) and 7 months (RR: 1.07; 95% CI The 1.89; 95% confidence interval-is the part I'm questioning

Does anyone have the capability to interput this? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.f...5043&query_hl=6

Thought I better explain as you can see from previous post, that I changed the plan with the Physician. I hated to give up the appt. with the Integrative Dr. She sounded wonderful, however this DO is about 1/2 as far, and the fees more manageble, plus we could get started quicker. Kim

http://diet-studies.com/wet.html#Zoller Some interesting publications on enuresis. I got cocky. Since youngest responded so well to the vitamins, fish oil, etc. I loosened the reins with the dairy, and a little soda. Not good. If either calcium or magnesium is the answer to this, he is not getting enough. It appears at this point the avoidance of dairy and or sugar is essential for dry nights for my son. The other possibility, is simply reduced fluid intake. Still observing and struggling! I would so rather have him on some dairy than none, simply because without, it restricts so many of the things he will eat, which are so limited. The enzymes may be a factor too, although I have used such a minimal amount, and don't want to increase without medical guidance. Appt. July 14, with a pediatric DO who has specialized in allergies for 20 years and has been involved with vitamin treatments for 8 years. He is speaking on vitamin therapies and will be gone the month of August, per the nurse in his office, and does use the labs, talked about here often. He will at the least be able to order the tests that I feel are really necessary. At this time, I'm thinking IgG food allergy testing, Spectracell 5000, and Great Plains Oat and will welcome any suggestions he has regarding the use of the supplements the boys are taking now, or testing he has found beneficial. It will be wonderful to finally speak with someone who's on the same page. Karen, your post about the neuro, acknowledging benefits from supplements was wonderful to read. I will be adding to the thread "testing" about the results of my sons Urine Dysbiosis Marker test through Metamatrix at some point, there is a lot of controversy, btwn Met. and Great Plains regarding testing for aribinitol vs. aribinose. Let's just say for now, I am not convinced youngest does not have a candida problem, based on test by Met. Kim Lisa, thanks for the encouragement! Karen, I think Bonnie's vits/supp are really wonderful for my boys and a very big part of the tic reduction, although right now I do feel like other factors such as allergy control, food sensitivities and possibly elimination of yeast overgrowth are important for long term success. My oldest son has had wonderful results with the vitamins/fish oil alone, however he is at a different stage (older) and I have to consider the wanning stages with the head shaking. I KNOW the body aches, and bruxism were helped by the vitamins. It was so clearly visable with the starting and stopping of the vitamins for various reasons, mostly illness where he was unable to take the vits. like stomach flu. The head shaking took longer to go. He did shake his head a couple of times the other day. I gave him a mag. taurate-which he will take occasionaly, like 1 every two weeks in addition to what he gets in the 10 vits. per day he takes. I have also considered upping the fish oil. Bonnie's dosage says 2-4 a day for his weight. I have only given one a day since he started the vitamins. The cottonwood fuzzy's were flying, he has had positive allergy testing to cottonwood, and I'm giving him 1 allergy med instead of the 3 that were prescribed. He has been great. Mazz and Alison talked about flair ups being milder and farther between. I would not say the vits, "cure" tics. But based on my experience so far, I do believe they are making a huge improvement and help keep things mild and manageable. I do get concerned when I read of others like Robins son, and Simon who were doing well and then had a flair, and I believe the body changes and so do the requirements. It's trying to figure out what changes are necessary that's hard I guess. This is the most honest assessment I can give at this time. PS the head shake I referred to is the first we have seen in a long time. It does not appear right now to be a flair, but I will keep you posted.

Sarah, Did you get my Private message a week or so ago?

Sarah, i'm so hoping your appt. tomorrow goes well. I was so glad to read Chemar's response to you, she always has such wonderful advise. i just wanted to add, my son had a quivery chin when he was an infant. His Pediatrician said it was just an immuture nervous system. He did out grow it, and has never had a chin tic, so maybe this will just pass with your son. Don't lose the faith! Kim http://www.909shot.com/state-site/legal-exemptions.htm Don't remember if I posted this link before or not, but it should give you information on exemptions for the vaccines, and information for your state.

Marie, I actually got Youngest to eat a piece of fresh spinach folded into a tiny square, with his salad today. I'd bet you have inspired many here. It's always wonderful to hear from you and Allison both. Sure wish Dara would drop in with an update on Karl Henry. Kim

RFK Jr. explans how ingredient in vaccines may have contributed to spread TRANSCRIPT Updated: 6:15 p.m. ET June 22, 2005 Six out of every 1,000 kids has autism, and nobody knows exactly why. But guest Robert F. Kennedy Jr., said in an interview on the 'Scarborough Country' program on Tuesday that part of the blame needs to fall on the government. It has to do with a drug called Thimerosal. Kennedy Jr., a senior attorney for the Natural Resources Defense Counsel, and author of "Deadly Immunity," an article about the investigation into a possible connection between Thimerosal and Autism in the current issue of Rolling Stone, talked with Joe about his findings. To read an excerpt of their interview, continue to the text below. To watch the interview, click on the video link above. SCARBOROUGH: Let's talk about Thimerosal. ... There are a lot of people, a lot of Americans very concerned about the impact of this drug, which is found in vaccines, and how it causes autism. Talk about that. KENNEDY: That's right. Thimerosal is a preservative that was put in vaccines back in the 1930s. Almost immediately after it was put in, autism cases began to appear. Autism had never been known before. It was unknown to science. Then the vaccines were increased in 1989 by the CDC and by a couple of other government agencies. SCARBOROUGH: OK, let me stop you there. That's an important date. And I will tell you why. My son, born in 1991, has a slight form of autism called Asperger`s. When I was practicing law and also when I was in Congress, parents would constantly come to me and they would bring me videotapes of their children, and they were all around the age of my son or younger. So, something happened in 1989. KENNEDY: Exactly. What happened was the vaccine schedule was increased. We went up from receiving about 10 vaccines in our generation to these kids receive 24 vaccines. And they all had this Thimerosal in them, this mercury. And nobody bothered to do an analysis of what the cumulative impact of all that mercury was doing to kids. As it turns out, we are injecting our children with 400 times the amount of mercury that FDA or EPA considers safe. A child on his first day that he is born is injected with a Hepatitis B shot. Under EPA guidelines, he would have to be 275 pounds to safely absorb that shot. SCARBOROUGH: And yet, we are just constantly pumping our kids with these vaccines. Where is the federal government in all of this? KENNEDY: What happened was that, in 1988, one in every 2,500 American children had autism. Today, one in every 166 children has autism. And, plus, one in six have other kinds of learning disorders, other kinds of neurological disorders, speech delay, language disorders, ADD, hyperactivity, that all seem to be connected, that are all connected, the science shows are all connected to autism — to Thimerosal. SCARBOROUGH: You know, Bobby, what we've always found, you and could debate 1,000 different issues, whether it's Terri Schiavo or the environment. I think we would agree on the environment. But, in this case, you have got the federal government coming in saying, well, there's no good science. And, of course, in politics, science always gets diluted. Why hasn't the federal government stepped up and worked more, because listen, Bobby, I can't prove it tonight. You can't prove it, but, intuitively, you look at the spike. You look at what happened with Thimerosal. There's no doubt in my mind — maybe it's two years from now. Maybe it's five years from now. Maybe it's 10 years from now. We are going to find out Thimerosal causes, in my opinion, autism. KENNEDY: You know what? The science is out there today for anybody who bothers to read it. And I have read it. Actually, on my Web site this week, RobertFKennedyJr.com, I am publishing an article that goes through all of the science. But the science is clear. And what happens is, I read the science at first. And there's literally hundreds and hundreds of studies that connect Thimerosal to these disastrous neurological disorders. Then I went, I talked to the scientists. Then I went and I talked to the federal bureaucrats who are defending Thimerosal. And I said, what are you relying on? And I looked at the science they are relying on. And I can tell you, Joe, it is so weak. And you and I have seen, in the legal practice, junk science. And we know what these phony scientists are who create this stuff. SCARBOROUGH: It happened in big tobacco. KENNEDY: Right. Tobacco. SCARBOROUGH: It happens in big oil. It's happening in global warming. And now it's happening in a way that is impacting our kids` lives. KENNEDY: This is classic tobacco science. It is junk science. And I was looking at these reports and saying, this is the best? This is what you are relying on? They know it's fraudulent. And now we have the transcripts. SCARBOROUGH: Explain. Explain it to me, Bobby, OK? Explain it to me. If that's the case — I mean, you and I both know about politics, obviously. Politicians like to get reelected. Why are they sitting back — if our children are being poisoned, if the science is there. Why are they sitting back and letting our children be poisoned? KENNEDY: Because the same regulatory bureaucrats that green-lighted Thimerosal originally are now trying to cover their tracks. SCARBOROUGH: It's a CYA operation. KENNEDY: Right. Are they are working with the pharmaceutical industry. And we now have the transcripts of the secret meeting that they did in Simpsonwood, Georgia, in the year 2000. And it's the most horrifying thing that you can read, Joe. There are scientists there from the government who are saying — who are reading the reports and saying, this is undeniable. There's no way we can ever deny this. I am not going to give this to my children, but now let's hide this from the American people. And it's that clear. And this is what I write about. It's this language that I write about in the "Rolling Stone" and the "Salon" piece that is so shocking, where we have the guys who are supposed to be protecting Americans` health who are actually conspiring to keep this stuff in the vaccines. SCARBOROUGH: You know, and I can't say what lawsuit we were both involved in. I don't want to say it. But it reminds me of a lawsuit we were involved in a couple years ago regarding water quality, where you know the people that polluted in our community and then left our community would have never drank the water that our children grew up drinking. And it's a disaster. It's a disgrace. So, hey, Bobby, thanks for being here tonight. If you can come back, we need to talk more about this. And I also want to talk about -- and I am going to hold up the book now. We actually lured Bobby in to say that we were going to talk to him about this book. But, actually, he said he wanted to talk about this instead. I appreciate you being here, Bobby, as always. And let's get you back. KENNEDY: Thanks a lot, Joe. SCARBOROUGH: And let's get you running for a public office. I will defend your honor whenever any Republican says anything nasty. KENNEDY: Well, that counts for a lot. Thanks a lot, Joe. SCARBOROUGH: Yes, that and a quarter, right, will get you a cup of coffee. Watch 'Scarborough Country' each weeknight on MSNBC-TV at 10 p.m. ET. URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8243264/

Just wanted to add a couple of things. I read a post last night on the Autism/Enzyme web site from a poster who gives her child Calcium for bed wetting, and sees the problem return if they miss a night. She doesn't say if this is the only supplement she gives her daughter or not. When I posted about the magnesuim above, I should have mentioned that Bonnie's vitamins also contain equal amounts of calcium. Since keeping a balance is so important, I thought I should mention this. As Chemar and others have pointed out many times, supervision when using supplements by a medical professional is always a good idea. I have found an Intergrative Physician. Our appt. isn't until Aug. and I wanted to get started on a couple of things now, so we wouldn't have to try to introduce new supplements, work with the enzymes, and diet restrictions etc. right when school was ready to start. It's really helpful to me to be able to see how he is responding during the day. I know I will have to stop the vitamins for testing, and that's why I was holding off, it's hard to take away something that's helping even for a week or two. I have found with both boys, although it's really to early to say with youngest, that we seem to have pretty good results at only 1/2 of the recommended dosage of Bonnie's vitamins. Forgot to mention in earlier post that I am giving 1 fish oil per day also, these are ordered through Bonnie also. Kim

Chemar, I visit the Autism boards looking for new info on the self limited eaters, and they always have the scoop on these shows. I had read the article Andy posted the day before and hadn't gotten around to posting it here yet. It just defies all sense of decency that this kind of thing could possibly be true. I literally cried watching Montel. Fri nite, there is another show, can't remember if it's Prime Time or which one, that is supposed to cover this topic too. Apparently it was scheduled, then deleted from the line up, and now back on again. Some feel there may be a political tug of war here, can't imagine that. I'll post anything I am able to find on it. Also, a parent who recently started Bonnie's vitamins contacted me with some questions. He said HBO has a show airing on TS and seemed impressed with it. We don't have HBO, and he was on a cell, I missed the details, but maybe someone who does have it, could check it out? Kim

Brenda, Just wondering if you are seeing any results with Bonnie's vitamins yet. Would love to hear an update! Kim We maybe at a disadvantage here, the moon has looked pretty full the last couple of nights! and I'm not making fun of that, it wouldn't surprise me a bit, although I don't think I'll share that suspicion with the boys Ped, I'm already on thin ice.

Lisa and All, http://diet-studies.com/wet.html If you do a google search and put in "enuresis+magnesium" you will get quite a few links. I have recently cut way back on my 8 year olds dairy intake, started using digestive enzymes, as I felt they may eliminate the need for total caesin free diet. There are suggestions on the autism/enzyme website of kids being gfcf, then having them reintroduced and doing better with than without. Also, talk of dairy raising seratonin and wheat aiding in metal removal? Since my son is such a limited eater, they seemed worth a try. I have also started something that I said I wouldn't do (without testing). I started giving him Bonnie's vitamins. I have been trying not to post since so many things are changing daily. Our results with tic reduction have been amazing. Probably 85% better, however, his tics are multiple but mild, and I only have him taking 4 a day. I am giving him a little extra zinc at night, since 4 won't give him even 10 mgs. He is getting 75 mgs. of mag taurate at this dose. I will work him up to probably about 6 a day. This is still quite a bit under the recommended dose for his age on Bonnies Viamins. We have had dry nights!, which is unheard of even with a 1:00 a.m. wakings for bathroom use. Just when I was planning the Dry Night Party, we had the gigunda wet spot. This was on the night I decided to give him some string cheese. So, I'm not sure what is responsible, the vitamins, the milk reduction, the enzymes or what. This is only about our 5th day of the addition of the vitamins. I have been successful with getting him to at least put corn in his mouth. He swallowed the first 3 kernels like you would a pill, the 4th one he actually chewed. He has tried raw green bean, lettuce, a couple of carrot sticks. This may sound like no big deal, but this is the first time he has had any of these foods in his mouth in 6.5 years. I don't think this is due to anything more than me putting my foot down, and taking away his breakfast drink, cheese, yougart and graham crackers, cocoa donuts cereal etc. He is not enjoying anything new yet, and may not unless I remove all dairy, I just don't know. He will eat a small salad (lettuce with orange pepper sticks and tiny shredded carrots) Carolyn, if you're reading, he didn't gag, which he has always done in the past, before it even hit his lips. He knows Mom is serious this time though. Daniel and I IM during the day sometimes and he kicked up the magnesium connection with the bed wetting. I've been looking for it for 6 months. All I could ever find was immature bladder capacity and heredity. I was really excited to read that. Pediatrician had blood work done to make sure he was able to concentrate properly, and didn't see any kidney problems apparently. I was a bed wetter as a child, and now I'm wondering how mag. deficient I may have been during my life. Yes, it may be inherited, but again doesn't this seem to suggest that there is nothing to do but wait to outgrow? Sounds fimiliar. Kim