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ccc, It is not unusual for sulfate to be wasted in the urine. Read thru the comments at the bottom of this thread. The top part has been posted here before (long PST article). I haven't read all of the comments, but think you might find some good info there. The comments are about 2/3 of the way down the page, right below the blue disclaimer box. Just click on them. http://www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1405385 Faith, if you're reading, I'm soooo sorry i haven't replied to our conversation on the other thread. I've had so little time. Will try to get back to that soon, altho i son't really have any great idea's that you haven't touched on yourself already!

Did these adults have any co-morbidities when they were younger? Were they on medications at any point in time? These results may apply to only a small subset of "TS" individuals. Also, are these changes a cause or a result? I really think they need to focus on identifying subsets. I fear people see these studies and think "TS" is the result of some structural brain abonormality. Again, that may be the case for some and every study that yields info is important, but statements like this may be a bit misleading? Just my thoughts!

Shy, Look at the info available on Chlorpheniramine. . I'm sure it was prescribed for it's effects on histamine, but it looks like it leaves more norepin. around than serotonin. SNRI's may be a good class of meds for your daughter to stay away from. Also, personally, I don't allow tylenol in this house anymore. You can search acetaminaphine or tylenol on this forum to get more info there (depletes sulfur stores which may be in short supply to begin with in some). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorpheniramine In addition to being an H-1 histamine receptor antagonist, chlorpheniramine has been shown to work as a Serotonin-norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor or SNRI. [1] A similar antihistamine, brompheniramine, led to the discovery of the SSRI Zimelidine. Limited clinical evidence shows that it is comparable to several antidepressant medications in its ability to inhibit the reuptake of serotonin and also norepinephrine (noradrenaline).[2] However, extensive clinical trials of its psychiatric properties in humans have not been conducted. It inhibits serotonin reuptake less than norepinephrine reuptake, Now look at norepinephrine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norepinephrine Norepinephrine is released when a host of physiological changes are activated by a stressful event. In the brain, this is caused in part by activation of an area of the brain stem called the locus ceruleus. This nucleus is the origin of most norepinephrine pathways in the brain. Noradrenergic neurons project bilaterally (send signals to both sides of the brain) from the locus ceruleus along distinct pathways to many locations, including the cerebral cortex, limbic system, and the spinal cord, forming a neurotransmitter system. Norepinephrine is also released from postganglionic neurons of the sympathetic nervous system, to transmit the fight-or-flight response in each tissue respectively. The adrenal medulla can also be counted to such postganglionic nerve cells, although they release norepinephrine into the blood.

when i ended up in ER with the infection induced rash, the male nurse said he felt like a used car salesman, dealing with me, lol. I was wearing a jean shirt, and acted like I was swallowing two pills that gave me (i really made one smooth movement and dropped them in the breast pocket ot the shirt). My sister didn't even see me do it. I had to look up what I was taking first. I also declined the steroid injection (he threw it in the trash). Turns out that was a good move, I was already taking oral steroids from previous trip to a walk in place for the same thing (only it got MUCH worse) and the injection could have made things worse with what was happening with me. You must have been putting out some of the same type of vibes!

Bonnie, I think Keflex is one of the older anti biotics with a pretty good safety profile too. Have to ask, did they want you to get a tetanus shot? Anyway, hope you're doing better. Walking around in childbirth pain would not be a good thing while vacationing! Geez, what's up with the sting rays? Guy, I'm not researching it, so you'll have to see if there are any new toxins that could be making the sting rays nervous, K? ccc, if you look at Guys link, you'll see where it talks about cipro being cumulative. If your husband had a mild reaction to it once, I would really think he should avoid it in the future if at all possible. The link for the article "FLOXED" is slow going to get through but it does have a lot of good info. It was so interesting to see all of the info regarding deficient magnesium being a problem with the use of this class of drugs. It says in the floxed article that it doesn't do any good to supplement after tendon injury occurs. Also...that **** flouride. Flouride has been suspected of contributing to osteosarcoma (cancerous tumor at the end of long bones). My son who this was prescribed for, already has an abnormal growth at the end of a long bone. I was going to risk this drug for a tiny spot of staph that you couldn't even see anymore by the time he got to the Ped? Someone on the PANDAS forum posted about a remark a Dr made about "Mom's practicing playground medicine," wonder who really came off the playground!!!!! Then the questionable prescribing stuff...... from wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quinolone "For example the use of the fuoroquinolones had increased three-fold in an emergency room environment in the United States between 1995 and 2002, while the use of safer alternatives such as macrolides declined significantly.[38][39] Fluoroquinolones had become the most commonly prescribed class of antibiotics to adults in 2002. Nearly half (42%) of these prescriptions were for conditions not approved by the FDA, such as acute bronchitis, otitis media, and acute upper respiratory tract infection, according to a study that was supported in part by the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality.[40][41]. Additionally they are commonly prescribed for medical conditions that are not even bacterial to begin, with such as viral infections, or those to which no proven benefit exist. Within a recent study concerning the proper use of this class in the emergency room it was revealed that 99% of these prescriptions were in error. Out of the one hundred total patients studied, eighty one received a fluoroquinolone for an inappropriate indication. Out of these cases, forty three (53%) were judged to be inappropriate because another agent was considered first line, twenty seven (33%) because there was no evidence of a bacterial infection to begin with (based on the documented evaluation), and eleven (14%) because of the need for such therapy was questionable. Out of the nineteen patients who received a fluoroquinolone for an appropriate indication, only one patient out of one hundred received both the correct dose and duration of therapy

Bonnie, It was a sting ray? I was thinking jelly fish when i first read your post.

Faith, Are you still working on the B12/folic acid pathway? Wondering if there is still a glitch there? Wanted to leave a couple of things for you to look over http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=n...ent&dbid=54 What are toxicity symptoms for cysteine? Consumption of foods containing cysteine, or its precursor methionine, is not likely to cause toxicity symptoms. However, cysteine is a brain excitoxin that can cause damage to brain cells in susceptible individuals. Such individuals do not metabolize the amino acid correctly, and, as a result, may be at risk for certain neurodegenerative diseases, including multiple sclerosis, amylotrophic lateral sclerosis (Lou Gehrig's disease) and Alzheimer's disease. What factors might contribute to a deficiency of cysteine? The production of cysteine involves several nutrients. As a result, dietary deficiency of methionine, vitamin B6, vitamin B12, s-adenosyl methionine (SAMe) and folic acid may decrease the production of cysteine. http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=n...ent&dbid=54 Children 1-3 years: 163 mg of cysteine Children 4-8 years: 238 mg of cysteine Males 9-13 years: 425 mg of cysteine Males 14-18 years: 650 mg of cysteine (bolding mine) http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=A...296d2173b885072 Oxidized sulfur-containing amino acids are recognized as agonists of excitatory amino acid receptors in the mammalian nervous system. Homologues of glutamic acid (homocysteine sulfinic acid and homocysteic acid) and aspartic acid (cysteine sulfinic acid and cysteic acid) have been shown to be agonistic to N-methyl-D-aspartate receptors in animal brain and have been demonstrated in brain tissue. Considerable evidence exists for the role of homocysteic acid and cysteine sulfinic acid as endogenous ligands for excitatory amino acid receptors. We report, for the first time, the quantitation of these compounds in normal human serum, by a newly developed gas chromatography-mass spectrometry method that employs stable isotope-dilution selected ion monitoring using internal standards prepared in our laboratory. We also report new methods of synthesis of stable isotope-labeled internal standards used in measuring cysteine sulfinic acid, cysteic acid, homocysteine sulfinic acid, and homocysteic acid. http://www.thorne.com/media/methionine_homocysteine_8-1.pdf The Methionine-Homocysteine Cycle and Its Effects on Cognitive Diseases

Bonnie...i forgot to add that the lady who got me looking at this ended up with a torn meniscus (very painful) after taking this drug. http://www.arthroscopy.com/sp05005.htm

Bonnie, I just did some reading on these drugs a couple of days ago for someone. I actually thought about posting it here as I thought it would be good info for anyone to have. I get feeling a little like an alarmist at times though. Just going to leave you the info that I have saved and you can draw your own conclusions. This drug was prescribed for my son (13 at the time) for a staph infection. I didn't give it to him and I'm really glad I didn't. The antibiotic that I did give him (Keflex if i remember right) worked just fine. Please let us know what you decide and how you're doing http://www.fluoroquinolones.org/FLOX%20REPORT-REV%2011.pdf Floxed excerpt from this article, in case you do decide to take it, or find that it might truly be necessary for your situation...but do read the whole thing!!! 1. ADJUST THE TREATMENT According to your weight. For instance, if you weigh some 120 pounds, then take 2x400 mg cipro instead of 2x500 mg, (assuming that this is the dose that they have prescribed you). 2. TAKE MAGNESIUM Magnesium interferes with the absortion of quinolones. Therefore, if you take your two-cipro pills along with your breakfast and dinner, take some magnesium with your lunch, so it does not impair cipro absorption but keeps your blood magnesium levels high. It has some protective role over many tissues. 3. DRINK A LOT OF SPRING WATER DURING THE TREATMENT It helps to maintain an adequate hydration of the tissues and facilitate the elimination of the drug and the metabolites through the kidneys. 4. AVOID STEROIDS Do not take any steroids during the treatment with quinolones, unless completely necessary. They dramatically increase the risk of severe injuries. Take into account that certain treatments do request the combined therapy, so disregard this advice if you cannot avoid steroids. 5. AVOID NON STEROIDAL ANTIINFLAMMATORIES (NSAIDs) They amplify the negative effects of fluoroquinolones, specially the risk of central nervous system occurrences, and neuropathies. 6. BE CAREFUL WITH INTERACTIONS Some drugs cause dangerous interactions with quinolones. All are included in the package insert, so read the drug insert because there is quite a great chance that your doctor does not or has not read it. http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picrender...mp;blobtype=pdf The molecular mechanisms blamed for quinolone chondrotoxicity include a deficiency of functionally available magnesium (7, 23, 26), inhibition of mitochondrial dehydrogenase and proteoglycan synthesis (11, 12), an altered metabolism of DNA (12, 16, 29) including inhibition of DNA polymerase (19), tissue accumulation of fluoride (18), and an increase of the respiratory burst in chondrocytes (10, 30). Nitric oxideinduced programmed cell death is an important mechanism in cartilage (2), and ciprofloxacin was reported to enhance production of the apoptogenic interleukin-1 (1). However, we could not detect an influence of quinolones on the rate of chondrocytes undergoing apoptosis. The chondrotoxic effects of quinolone antimicrobial agents described here do not necessarily indicate clinically relevant cartilage damage in human adults. http://journal.shouxi.net/html/qikan/lcyx/...831_427331.html In summary, the present study provides data indicating that supplementation with magnesium and vitamin E alone or in combination may relevantly diminish joint cartilage lesions induced by quinolones in immature rats. An additive effect of combined supplementation with magnesium and vitamin E was observed. The data further support the proposed pathomechanism of quinolone-induced arthropathy and its sequence with the lack of functionally available magnesium caused by chelation, which leads to increased oxidative stress and the characteristic destruction of cartilage. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=A...64339708a42bcd0 Fluoroquinolones cause changes in extracellular matrix, signalling proteins, metalloproteinases and caspase-3 in cultured human tendon cells http://www.springerlink.com/content/p8qb2e3yhpxvhnaw/ Recently, we showed that magnesium deficiency induces lesions in knee joint cartilage from 5-week-old rats that are very similar to ofloxacin-induced cartilage defects. We concluded that quinolone-induced arthropathy is probably due to chelation of magnesium and thus a deficit in functionally available magnesium in joint cartilage (Stahlmann et al. 1995). As magnesium deficiency in joint cartilage could impair chondrocyte-matrix interaction which is mediated by cation-dependent integrin receptors of the β1-subfamily, we investigated integrin expression in joint cartilage from untreated, ofloxacin-treated and magnesium-deficient Wistar rats.

You might also point out to him that two large studies (i think there may be a third) which are acknowledged by the CDC HAVE found a statistically significant correlation betwn thimerosal exposure through vaccination (higher amt thimerosal=higher incidence of tics). It was just passed off as sort of a "curious" replication of the Denmark(?) study. David Kirby (author of Evidence of Harm) wrote an article on this subject http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/...s-_b_66007.html bronxmom, I hope next time you can tell your Dr. that as long as the studies that say "no correlation exists" are being conducted by the same same people who stand to gain the most (or avoid legal prosecution or public flogging!) well, this debate is not going away. In fact it's gaining momentum. Check out the conflict of interests on this page http://fourteenstudies.org/studies.html Read the studies on site that DO favor a relationship (you know the ones that you WILL NOT hear on the local or national news). Environmental toxins are rampant too, yet the "gene" is what they keep looking for. I'm not against that, any little piece to a big puzzle is welcome, just that so many things are already very well known to effect the immune system and cause neuro problems, but they just slide by without hardly any mention. Anyway, wanted to leave this here. Posted on the TS forum a little while ago. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,519976,00.html Report: World Health Organization Investigating Claims of Human Error Behind Swine Flu Virus http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206...id=afrdATVXPEAk Swine Flu May Be Human Error; WHO Investigates Claim Susan posted what may have been an adverse reaction to Tflu or possibly the flu itself on this thread also http://www.latitudes.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=4691 this link discusses personal experience with T flu http://www.askapatient.com/viewrating.asp?...mp;name=TAMIFLU

Susan Interesting about the biotin deficiency. Could you say how that was determined. My oldest son had such a yucky case of cradle cap until he was probably 5 mo (?). It has also been talked about in some circles as being an effective candida fighter in conjunction with other treatments like GSE, nystatin etc. Since it requires healthy gut flora to synthesis it, I wonder how many kids are lacking in biotin. Quick easy reading article http://www.encognitive.com/node/1172

Susan, I'm very sorry to hear that your daughter had that reaction. That's what puts us btwn a rock and a hard place with this stuff. Not only do we have the worries that go along with something like a flu pandemic, we have the added stress of wondering what's worse, the disease or the "cure." This page has some accounts (mostly bad.. a few good) of Tamiflu use. I would think that people who have an adverse effect are going to be much more likely to post about it than people who seem to be helped by it tho. http://www.askapatient.com/viewrating.asp?...mp;name=TAMIFLU

I heard a little snippet on Fox news this morning. Wasn't sure I heard right. Something was said about the new swine flu originating in eggs used for vaccine production (something like that). I just got a chance to search the net for anything relating to what I thought I heard. Several searches turned up nothing. Finally went to the FOX news site and lo and behold. Will be interesting to see if the "discredit the researcher" game begins, or if the waters can be muddied to the point that it just fades into the woodwork as the fear of a fall pandemic takes center stage. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,519976,00.html Report: World Health Organization Investigating Claims of Human Error Behind Swine Flu Virus http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206...id=afrdATVXPEAk Swine Flu May Be Human Error; WHO Investigates Claim

If anyone runs across any info on this subject, please add. There was just a conversation about this on another forum. One mom said that she has learned just to say that uncle so and so had a bad reaction to nitrous oxide and family was told no one else should recieve it (instead of trying to explain her concern about it to anethesiologists). http://journals.lww.com/anesthesiology/Ful..._Plasma.14.aspx This prospective study demonstrated that endothelial function was impaired after surgery in patients with cardiovascular disease, but seemingly only in those exposed to nitrous oxide. Furthermore, in marked contrast to patients in the control group, the duration of nitrous oxide exposure strongly correlated with the extent of endothelial dysfunction. In the current study, we identified two potential mechanisms for the nitrous oxide-mediated impairment of endothelial function: (1) We found that some or all of the endothelial dysfunction can probably be explained by the observed increase in homocysteine; (2) in addition, we identified an overall reduction in l-arginine and l-citrulline postoperatively, indicating an increase in endothelial oxidative stress after surgery and/or nitrous oxide exposure. Differences in Fio2 between groups did not explain any of these adverse effects of nitrous oxide. http://www.thorne.com/media/methionine_homocysteine_8-1.pdf

From same article (near the bottom), I wonder if there is a new vax in the fall for H1N1, if it will contain thimerosal. Unless they package all as single injections (as opposed to multidose vials) I would think it would be in there. It's been reported that about 80% of the reg seasonal flu vaccine was still drawn from multidose vials containing thimerosal last season. Tuna, other fish and coal fired power plants might be good to avoid too

I know this is kind of technical, but thought you all might want to read it anyway. Read the reference articles. Look up the words that you don't understand. It's almost impossible to understand how this may be good or bad for your child, if you don't do the leg work. How this relates to my kids, might not apply to yours at all. The first statement was something I was focused on. http://www.generationrescue.org/binstock/0...ne-Cysteine.htm and *Faith, don't miss Bonnie's post to you, right above mine

Great summary of everything gut flora related. Stress, antibiotics, gut/brain etc. Just pulled one interesting excerpt below http://www.ehponline.org/members/2009/117-5/focus.html Gut Reaction: Environmental Effects on the Human Microbiota

bronxmom/dcmom, I wish i could break things down for you! I guess what strikes me about the things posted, is the diversity of what might be causing problems. bronxmom, when you said i sure could relate. Juggling making sure the immune system is strong enough to clear viral/bacterial illness and worrying about inflammatory responses is awful. I think many of us are caught wondering what would be worse (immunization or the illness itself) if the flu scare winds up again in the fall and a new immunization is being widely recommended or worse yet, mandated. It scares the daylights outta me. I did want to share something reassuring about the "new flu" in it's current state . Sure hated the phrase "cytokine storm" and glad it's not currently associated! http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/...-lethal-threat/ Genetic Analysis of the Swine Flu Virus May Indicate a Less Lethal Threat While much more work needs to be done to truly understand the new virus, researchers also reported that there seems to be nothing unusual as yet in another protein in the centre of the virus, called NS1, which is linked to the strength of the immune response the virus produces. In some more pathogenic viruses, it is this NS1 protein which initiates a “cytokine storm”, a particularly severe immune reaction that can be fatal in even healthy young people [bBC News]. One of the things we have been hearing over and over is it may re emerge in the fall as something worse. I wonder if they spend billions to develope a vaccine, if there is going to be pressure to USE it, even if there is no good evidence for it. I have to run right now, but will get back to this thread!

Momtock, In addition to EAMom's advice, another thought. Does the urine smell fishy, like ammonia, or just like strong urine? If you can identify a particular ordor, start googling!

In light of the recent flu scare and recent remarks on another thread about kids getting/not getting live viral vaccines, thought I would share this. Along the same lines of what I was rambling about above. http://www.physorg.com/news160659764.html Scientists learn why the flu may turn deadly and Sure brings many questions to my mind

Melanie, First off, don't get discouraged and overwhelmed. Take it in very small steps. If you go back and review some basics on NAC, you will see many ways that it could be beneficial or ways that you could see adverse reactions. Faith touched on one aspect (possible detox). Just google it, or read here, whatever. Go slow. I have to read things many many times (then go back and brush up if it's been more than a couple of weeks ). These are very complicated issues/pathways. Dr.s who are studying these things daily, don't have all of the answers. One thing that I will say, NEW INFO IS EMERGING DAILY. There is a lot of focus on "spectrum" disorders. Since SO many children are affected, there is a lot of money to be made in finding ways to help. Also, this is becoming quite a political issue now too. Answers are desperately needed, and I think that is finally being recognised. So try to hang in there. Let's say that you see "behaviors" when your son has been consuming a lot of high protein foods. Since you have already seen an adverse reaction with NAC, I think this might be an area that would be really good for your son, for you to become familiar with. Stay focused on this one thing. Read a little on it each day. Then ask more questions. I hope the allergy testing is helpful. let us know how it goes.

Iritis & Uveitis/ PANDAS kids????? I recently realized this could have been behind my blurry vision with recent infection induced rash. The ocular migrains that Buster mentioned in connection to "rainbows" is talked about in some of these articles too. Uveitis http://www.eyecare-information-service.org...tis-iritis.html Infection. Bacterial, viral and fungal strains can cause the inflammation of the eyes and cause uveitis. These would include infections like the herpes simplex eye infection, toxoplasmosis, herpes zoster, syphilis, cytomegalovirus, tuberculosis, gonorrhoea, and Lyme disease. Autoimmune diseases. The makes antibodies to protect the body from invading foreign bodies like bacterial, viral and other germ strains which can cause serious infection. In autoimmune disease, the antibodies made by the immune system attack the healthy cells and tissues of the body. How this is triggered is not yet known but some people are higher at risk than some other. Autoimmune disorders like Reiter's and Behcets syndromecan cause uveitis. Behcets syndrome causes chronic mouth ulcers and other parts of the body like the lungs, heart, joints, gut and the nervous system. http://www.perret-optic.ch/optometrie/symp...n_gb.htm#iritis Iritis usually refers to a group of ocular inflammatory diseases affecting the iris, ciliary body, and choroid. This is the "uveal tract", and another term for iritis is "uveitis". In acute iritis, the structures near the front of the eye become inflammed. This inflammation is similar to arthritis, except that in arthritis a joint is inflammed. Inflammation affecting the iris and ciliary body usually lead to symptoms of eye pain, sensitivity to light, pain with focusing, blurred vision, eye redness, and sometimes floaters. These symptoms occur because the iris and ciliary body both contain muscles which act to control the pupil size and focusing. Anything causing these muscles to work will cause pain. One, or both eyes can be affected. http://canadianuveitissociety.com/information.html Some intermediate (middle compartment of the eye) and posterior (rear compartment of the eye) forms of uveitis may more typically be associated with floaters, flashing lights and blurred vision. Still other forms such as juvenile idiopathic arthritis may be silent despite ongoing active inflammation. http://www.perret-optic.ch/optometrie/symp..._gb.htm#rainbow Rainbow Vision Seeing rainbows around lights, especially at night, usually indicates swelling of the cornea. This may occur from a variety of causes which are discussed under Corneal Edema. Cataract can sometimes cause this also.

CP's sulfate metabolic issue remark, was what I was thinking regarding the NAC (sulfur supp) too. Especially in Melanie's sons case, NAC can have effects of blood pressure too. I would be curious to know how much NAC you gave your son Melanie and how long before you saw that reaction. Can either of you say how your boys react to high protein foods eggs, meat, etc? Do they seem to prefer carbs? I have one that avoids at all costs, and one that LOVEs his steak, ribs, etc. Blood ammonia is something that you can have checked thru reg Dr. In this situation, ammonia levels can rise due to protein intake, that's why I was asking about the diet. These negative reactions can be huge clues too! Check out this page http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:0gVAX8...=clnk&gl=us CBS (Cystathione-Beta-Synthase) – helps to convert homocysteine into glutathione (major antioxidant in the body). If a defect exists it will affect ammonia detoxification because excess sulfur in the body (endogenous or exogenous sources, ie. supplements like MSM, Epsom Salt or medications such as DMPS) can be converted to ammonia. Also, this defect can affect an enzyme called G6PDH which has negative effects on blood sugar metabolism and red blood cell formation and blood vessel stability (easy bruising, bleeding, broken blood vessels).

Peggy, I just have to share some things for your consideration regarding your concern about tetanus boosting. As always, do your own reseach! It used to be that a tetanus/diptheria (TD) vaccine was used for boosting every 10 years. Since they have decided that 5 previous doses of any combo of DTP or the newer DTaP isn't enough to confer any long lasting protection from pertussis, they have gone to using the newer vax which supposedly can (magically ?) be safely given every 5 years instead of 10, regarding the tetanus portion anyway. If your daughter is fully vaccinated, she probably received some combo of DTaP at 2, 4, 6, months then again btwn 15 and 18 months, then again around the age of 5. The good news is that the older TD vaccine when drawn from a multidose vial, still contains mercury. The newer DTaP does not, but does contain alum, used to prompt an unnatural immune response. Alum is a known neurotoxin with no long term safety studies looking at the combined amts. used in the current vax schedule. So..this will be her SIXTH vax in this series. If you consider that the incidence of tetanus was said to be btwn 500 and 600 hundred cases per year, prior to the infant immunization program in the late 1940's, well, it is an incredibly rare disease when considering the size of the population (when you consider the info below, is it really worth it?). I have included some info which is taken from an article talking about the older TD vaccine, but you will see how it talks about reactions being higher in "boosters" given after the primary series. Also, I've included an article which talks about "immunity" possibly being longer lasting than what we're currently lead to believe. If I'm going to inject an neurologically sensitive person with antigen, metals, and other chemicals, I want to know there is a darn good reason for it. I will never forgive myself for allowing the Hep B birth dose and blindly injecting my babies/kids with every stupid thing that was put before me. Sorry, I start out calm and try to be so objective, but I end up angry most times, so I'm going to shut up now! bolding mine http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:pWvwMf...=clnk&gl=us http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art...rticlekey=85107 Study: Immune System Has Long Memory http://www.rxlist.com/diptheria-and-tetanus-drug.htm NERVOUS SYSTEM The following neurologic illnesses have been reported as temporally associated with vaccine containing tetanus toxoid: neurological complications14 including cochlear lesion,15 brachial plexus neuropathies,15,16 paralysis of the radial nerve,17 paralysis of the recurrent nerve,15 accommodation paresis, Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS),and EEG disturbances with encephalopathy.18 The IOM following review of the reports of neurologic events following vaccination with tetanus toxoid, Td or DT, concluded the evidence favored acceptance of a causal relationship between tetanus toxoid and brachial neuritis and GBS.9,19 and There is an increased incidence of local and systemic reactions to booster doses of tetanus toxoid when given to previously immunized persons and The occurrence of tetanus in the US has decreased dramatically from 560 reported cases in 1947 to a record low of 48 reported cases in 1987. Tetanus in the US is primarily a disease of older adults. Of 99 tetanus patients with complete information reported to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) during 1987 and 1988,68% were =50 years of age, while only six were < 20 years of age. Overall, the case-fatality rate was 21%.2 In 1992, 45 cases were reported of which 82% were =50 years of age.6 The disease continues to occur almost exclusively among persons who are unvaccinated or inadequately vaccinated or whose vaccination histories are unknown or uncertain. A history of systemic allergic or neurologic reactions following a previous dose of DT is an absolute contraindication for further use.2 Adverse reactions may be local and include redness, warmth, edema, induration, with or without tenderness, as well as urticaria, and rash. Malaise, transient fever, pain, hypotension, nausea and arthralgia may develop in some patients after the injection. Arthus-type hypersensitivity reactions, characterized by severe local reactions (generally starting 2 to 8 hours after an injection) may occur, particularly in persons who have received multiple prior boosters.2 Rarely, an anaphylactic reaction (i.e., hives, swelling of the mouth, difficulty breathing, hypotension, or shock) and death have been reported after receiving preparations containing diphtheria and tetanus antigens.

Yikes...Baxter mistakenly shipped live material (and they are working on the vaccine for this flu!) and a swine strain blew it's top on a train! Not hard to see where the varied mix of viral genes in this new strain and these types of errors could result in something "getting loose," that wasn't supposed to. http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2009...27/8560781.html http://www.prisonplanet.com/baxter-to-deve...lu-scandal.html http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitge...,621598,00.html and