5 year old Tourettes?

[jennymichigan]

Hi

I am new to these boards and feel my daughter may have Tourettes . Her 2nd cousin has severe tourettes and i am hoping to find out as much info as possible to try to help her early. She is smart and follows directions, up to speed in everything..but has experienced several different tics in the past 6 months or so. Blinking, humming, ect..those are gone, and now she is now shaking her head from side to side every few seconds. This one has been going on for about a week and i received a call from her kindergarden teacher yesterday, who is "scared" for her. I'm not sure what to think. I took her to a neurologist a few months ago and he said to "wait and see". He said he can't diagnose anything yet - he needs to watch her for about a year. In the meantime, i want to do what i can to help her. I am interested in the enzymes and some of the stuff i've read here. Does anyone know where i would start twith the enzymes? Does anyone have any advice for me?

Thanks

Jennifer

[itsme]

Hi Jenny,

 

Welcome to the forum. There is a wealth of information here. When we discovered our child had ts a year ago i spent about 4 hours a day reading through the threads on this forum and asking questions. After a few months we really had things under control. Our son continues to do well. We use bontech sups and are on a strict candida diet. I don't want to overwhelm you with info now, so i think the best advice I can give would be to read as much as possible here. Also Sheila Rogers has a book "tics and tourette's" which can can order online....... a very helpful resource.

 

Finally, we're all here to help and learn from each other so keep asking questions and I believe you will find the answers for your daughter.

[CSP]

Welcome Jenny,

 

I baught an organic cleanse for myself (not ready to do my son yet) by Renew Life and I see they offer children formulas. KidZyme is one, it offers enzymes, probiotics and FOS to support digestion. My son has not tried it because he is 14 and would need something more for an adult. If you have a health store near you, maybe you could check out this line of products, and ask questions from the sales clerk. I don't know what age one can start KidZyme.

 

I also would like to add take out of her diet all the junk, artificial colors and flavers, preservatives, and have her eat organic foods as much as you can.

 

You can also look into the Kids Calm a magnesium formula made be the makers of Natural Calm.

 

Good luck,

C.P.

[CarolynN]

Hi Jennifer,

 

I just wanted to say welcome! I know it is a lot of information to process on this forum. It takes many, many hours to get your "head" around what you are reading. But hang in there. You are doing your daughter a GREAT service by becoming educated for your daughter while she is so young. This will only be to her advantage.

 

Regarding the enzymes, I would highly recommend you purchase a book called "Enzymes for Autism and other Neurological Conditions" by Karen DeFlice. It really goes into depth regarding why enzymes work and what enzymes to take. Dr. Houston's company is who I have used for my son and they do a great job in answering questions. So you may want to e-mail them. Just for your ease here is the website http://www.houstonni.com/ . There are many other enzyme companies out there it is a matter of finding the ones that work for your daughter. There are enzymes for breaking down proteins, carbs, and veggies/fruit/artificial colors. Some of the enzymes are very specific and some are combo.

 

I would also offer the advice of start out slow and easy with enzymes. Don't just jump in with both feet because enzymes not only break down foods but they also help get rid of the "junky" stuff in your intestines like candida. So when this happens toxins can be released from the "junky" stuff and the body has to process this out. So if you go full force you could see an increase in tics. I know I did with my son. I would expect your daughter will at least have a slight increase in tics, one way or another, when starting the enzymes while her body adjusts. From what I have read it can take around 2 weeks for the young and as you get older it takes longer to see the true benefit from the enzymes. I have been throwing away alot of the enzyme product I ordered because I am only, at times giving my son, 1/4 to 1/2 capsule. But again I am taking it slow and easy!

 

My biggest suggestion to you, is if you do nothing else, is get rid of the artifical/chemical/msg foods from the diet. These are VERY hard on the nervous system. Included in this, but not complete, would be yellow 5, yellow 6, red 40, caramel color, vanillin, high fructose corn syrup, and MSG. I have found absolutely these case tics in my son. When I get these things out of his diet about a week later his body settles back down. Here is a list I compiled of foods I feed my son that are free of these items http://www.latitudes.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=2976 and here is a link I did regarding the various names MSG is under and how to look for it in foods http://www.latitudes.org/forums/index.php?...p;mode=threaded .

 

By far MSG is my son's biggest enemy. If he has any amount of MSG he will tic for days and days. I often think about these poor people who have tics, and are sensitive to MSG and do not realize it, and eat meal after meal just loaded with it. In other words, their bodies would not get any kind of break to even begin to get their bodies to calm down. MSG is hidden everywhere and unfortunately hidden under numerous names. If you do not know what to look for and someone eats the standard American diet, they are eating MSG at least once if not more in a day. MSG is used as a flavor enhancer in numerous foods it is just not true, by any stretch of the imagination, that is it is a Chinese Food product only.

 

Here are the supplements that I give my son who is 7 and is 52 pounds. We have Daniel on Bonnie Grimaldi's TS-Plus (I cut back to 6 a day, we were giving him 10, because the enzymes in theory should be helping his body absorb the nutrients better I am going to discuss this with his doctor at the end of this month), additional Magnesium Taurate (200 mg. You can purchase this through Bonnie Grimaldi's website or vitamin shoppe), Glycine 4600 mg a day (Amino acid to help neurotransmitters), additonal 750 mg of vitamin C a day, Dr. Houstons No-Phenol for helping with his problem with artificial food colors (we are only doing about 1/4 cap one time a day to start), Dr. Houstons AFP-Peptizyde (1/2 capsule a day for now but will increase over time) for processing protein's, including milk, and carb's/gluten , phosphatidylserine 200 mg (this one my Naturopathic doctor really thinks is beneficial to the brain. He said he has seen tremendous results in many different cases. But it is not an overnight result it takes, I believe up to two months to build in the system. Also it is rather $$$$$. I read it also helps counteract the some, but by no means all, of the side effects of MSG), and a pro-biotic called MindLinx. We break up his vitamins both morning and night. This way it stays more consistent in his body. Also he is getting GABA to help with anxiety.

 

You may be wondering how in the world do you get all that in your son in one day. Well it had been a challenge, up to about a month, ago when he started swallowing pills. The way we use to do it was mixing the GABA, additional magnesium, and Glycine in a little bit of a lemonade called "Simply Lemonade". The TS-Plus and phosphatidylerine in peanut butter (we would make little balls out of it and sprinkled raw sugar on it). Obviously, someone with a peanut allergy could not even consider this option. Some people find they can make a "smoothie" type drink for their children but my son would gag horrible on this (the TS-Plus is very strong in flavor and it is hard to disguise but the peanut butter does a fairly good job at hidding the flavor). You would want to divide up, what ever vitamins you decide to give your daughter, in at least two doses a day to help keep a consistent amount in her system.

 

I would also recommend doing a food journal to help figure out what foods are really bothering your daughter. It took me several months of doing this to start seeing the pattern and also by reading Chemar's posts about MSG that really put the whole piece of the puzzle together. For your daughter it could be dairy, gluten, artificial or a combination. But also keep in mind it could be something environmental that is bothering her like seasonal type allergies or even the smell of scented candles or laundry detergent. This is where Shelia Roger's book "Tic's and Tourettes" comes in real handy in understanding what may be causing the tics. It is also real inspirational to read the success stories in the book.

 

Epsom salts baths are very helpful in helping the body calm down with tics. You would use 2 cups epsom salts in a bath. You might want to start out with less just to make sure her body does not increase in tics from the epsom salts (this would be very rare but possible from what I have read on the forum)

 

The other thing to really consider is does she have candida. Candida is the overgrowth of yeast in the intestinal system and other parts of the body. Candida is very hard on the body because the sulfations system, which processes toxin, histamine, neurotransmitters, has to now process out the toxins from the candida, and hence cannot keep up with what else is coming at it. Does your daughter happen to have a white coating on the back of her tongue because this is one sign of candida? It certainly is not the only. This sounds gross but it seems like a fairly accurate way to check for candida. I have candida and tried it and it showed I had candida. You can read about it at this link http://www.adhdrelief.com/CandidaTest.html .

 

If your daughter does have candida, you need to make sure you kill it off very slowly and carefully. Otherwise she will have a surge of toxins hit her body from the candida dying off and hence more tics. It seems like candida is a VERY common problem for someone with tourettes. I know Chemar recommends a product called Candida Clear by Now. I tried it and it works great. The only thing is I don't know what age you have to be to take it. One thing I like about it is it helps to eliminate some of the side effects from when you are killing off candida. Also pro-biotics, like the Mindlinx mentioned above, are key to helping clear the candida out of the system.

 

Jennifer, I know it seems very overwhelming I was in your shoes just 1 1/2 years ago. But I can tell you I have learned an enormous amount of information to help my son. If anything I can tell you I truly use to feed my children a horrible diet (lots of process foods and LOTS of artificial). We have completely done a 180 and I know eventually these tics will diminish as my son ages, from all I have read age of 10 seems to be the peak, but these healthy eating habits will last for a life time. Perhaps this change in our diet will keep one of us in, our family of five, from getting cancer or some other detrimental disease that would be far worse then the tics. As our Pastor tells us it is all in the perspective!

 

I would also just suggest that you become familiar with PANDA's because a lot of people on this forum are dealing with this other form of tics (the nervous system reacting to the strep virus or another virus).

 

The last piece of advice I would give you is, and I am not trying to convince you either way, but PLEASE read up on the increase of tics after some children are vaccinated. Vaccines can be very damaging to people who have issues with their nervous systems. Just recently their has been a lot of discussion regarding this topic in this particular link http://www.latitudes.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=2978 . But this link certainly is not the only on this forum. You could simply do a search using the word "vaccination". I have chosen not to do vaccinations on my son and all I have to do, and from my understanding it is the case in all states, you have to just sign a waiver for the school. Certainly you could also get a note from a doctor, who understands this issue, to excuse your daughter from additional vaccinations.

 

Hang in there! There certainly is something triggering her tics and takes a lot of observation and also change to start getting to the root of the problem but it is worth the effort even when you feel like you are at a dead end road. I have consistenly found when I feel like I am at a dead end, I pray about it being that I am Christian, and low and behold I find another piece of the puzzle (thank you GOD for answering my prayers!!!!!!!!!!!)

 

God Bless,

 

 

Carolyn N.

[jennymichigan]

Hi Jennifer,

 

I just wanted to say welcome! I know it is a lot of information to process on this forum. It takes many, many hours to get your "head" around what you are reading. But hang in there. You are doing your daughter a GREAT service by becoming educated for your daughter while she is so young. This will only be to her advantage.

 

Regarding the enzymes, I would highly recommend you purchase a book called "Enzymes for Autism and other Neurological Conditions" by Karen DeFlice. It really goes into depth regarding why enzymes work and what enzymes to take. Dr. Houston's company is who I have used for my son and they do a great job in answering questions. So you may want to e-mail them. Just for your ease here is the website http://www.houstonni.com/ . There are many other enzyme companies out there it is a matter of finding the ones that work for your daughter. There are enzymes for breaking down proteins, carbs, and veggies/fruit/artificial colors. Some of the enzymes are very specific and some are combo.

 

I would also offer the advice of start out slow and easy with enzymes. Don't just jump in with both feet because enzymes not only break down foods but they also help get rid of the "junky" stuff in your intestines like candida. So when this happens toxins can be released from the "junky" stuff and the body has to process this out. So if you go full force you could see an increase in tics. I know I did with my son. I would expect your daughter will at least have a slight increase in tics, one way or another, when starting the enzymes while her body adjusts. From what I have read it can take around 2 weeks for the young and as you get older it takes longer to see the true benefit from the enzymes. I have been throwing away alot of the enzyme product I ordered because I am only, at times giving my son, 1/4 to 1/2 capsule. But again I am taking it slow and easy!

 

My biggest suggestion to you, is if you do nothing else, is get rid of the artifical/chemical/msg foods from the diet. These are VERY hard on the nervous system. Included in this, but not complete, would be yellow 5, yellow 6, red 40, caramel color, vanillin, high fructose corn syrup, and MSG. I have found absolutely these case tics in my son. When I get these things out of his diet about a week later his body settles back down. Here is a list I compiled of foods I feed my son that are free of these items http://www.latitudes.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=2976 and here is a link I did regarding the various names MSG is under and how to look for it in foods http://www.latitudes.org/forums/index.php?...p;mode=threaded .

 

By far MSG is my son's biggest enemy. If he has any amount of MSG he will tic for days and days. I often think about these poor people who have tics, and are sensitive to MSG and do not realize it, and eat meal after meal just loaded with it. In other words, their bodies would not get any kind of break to even begin to get their bodies to calm down. MSG is hidden everywhere and unfortunately hidden under numerous names. If you do not know what to look for and someone eats the standard American diet, they are eating MSG at least once if not more in a day. MSG is used as a flavor enhancer in numerous foods it is just not true, by any stretch of the imagination, that is it is a Chinese Food product only.

 

Here are the supplements that I give my son who is 7 and is 52 pounds. We have Daniel on Bonnie Grimaldi's TS-Plus (I cut back to 6 a day, we were giving him 10, because the enzymes in theory should be helping his body absorb the nutrients better I am going to discuss this with his doctor at the end of this month), additional Magnesium Taurate (200 mg. You can purchase this through Bonnie Grimaldi's website or vitamin shoppe), Glycine 4600 mg a day (Amino acid to help neurotransmitters), additonal 750 mg of vitamin C a day, Dr. Houstons No-Phenol for helping with his problem with artificial food colors (we are only doing about 1/4 cap one time a day to start), Dr. Houstons AFP-Peptizyde (1/2 capsule a day for now but will increase over time) for processing protein's, including milk, and carb's/gluten , phosphatidylserine 200 mg (this one my Naturopathic doctor really thinks is beneficial to the brain. He said he has seen tremendous results in many different cases. But it is not an overnight result it takes, I believe up to two months to build in the system. Also it is rather $$$$$. I read it also helps counteract the some, but by no means all, of the side effects of MSG), and a pro-biotic called MindLinx. We break up his vitamins both morning and night. This way it stays more consistent in his body. Also he is getting GABA to help with anxiety.

 

You may be wondering how in the world do you get all that in your son in one day. Well it had been a challenge, up to about a month, ago when he started swallowing pills. The way we use to do it was mixing the GABA, additional magnesium, and Glycine in a little bit of a lemonade called Simply Lemonade. The TS-Plus and phosphatidylerine in peanut butter (we would make little balls out of it and sprinkled raw sugar on it). Obviously, someone with a peanut allergy could not even consider this option. Some people find they can make a "smoothie" type drink for their children but my son would gag horrible on this (the TS-Plus is very strong in flavor and it is hard to disguise but the peanut butter does a fairly good job at hidding the flavor). You would want to divide up, what ever vitamins you decide to give your daughter, in at least two doses a day to help keep a consistent amount in her system.

 

I would also recommend doing a food journal to help figure out what foods are really bothering your daughter. It took me several months of doing this to start seeing the pattern and also by reading Chemar's posts about MSG that really put the whole piece of the puzzle together. For your daughter it could be dairy, gluten, artificial or a combination. But also keep in mind it could be something environmental that is bothering her like seasonal type allergies or even the smell of scented candles or laundry detergent. This is where Shelia Roger's book "Tic's and Tourettes" comes in real handy in understanding what may be causing the tics. It is also real inspirational to read the success stories in the book.

 

Epsom salts baths are very helpful in helping the body calm down with tics. You would use 2 cups epsom salts in a bath. You might want to start out with less just to make sure her body does not increase in tics from the epsom salts (this would be very rare but possible from what I have read on the forum)

 

The other thing to really consider is does she have candida. Candida is the overgrowth of yeast in the intestinal system and other parts of the body. Candida is very hard on the body because the sulfations system, which processes toxin, histamine, neurotransmitters, has to now process out the toxins from the candida, and hence cannot keep up with what else is coming at it. Does your daughter happen to have a white coating on the back of her tongue because this is one sign of candida? It certainly is not the only. This sounds gross but it seems like a fairly accurate way to check for candida. I have candida and tried it and it showed I had candida. You can read about it at this link http://www.adhdrelief.com/CandidaTest.html .

 

If your daughter does have candida, you need to make sure you kill it off very slowly and carefully. Otherwise she will have a surge of toxins hit her body from the candida dying off and hence more tics. It seems like candida is a VERY common problem for someone with tourettes. I know Chemar recommends a product called Candida Clear by Now. I tried it and it works great. The only thing is I don't know what age you have to be to take it. One thing I like about it is it helps to eliminate some of the side effects from when you are killing off candida. Also pro-biotics, like the Mindlinx mentioned above, are key to helping clear the candida out of the system.

 

Jennifer, I know it seems very overwhelming I was in your shoes just 1 1/2 years ago. But I can tell you I have learned an enormous amount of information to help my son. If anything I can tell you I truly use to feed my children a horrible diet (lots of process foods and LOTS of artificial). We have completely done a 180 and I know eventually these tics will diminish as my son ages, from all I have read age of 10 seems to be the peak, but these healthy eating habits will last for a life time. Perhaps this change in our diet will keep one of us in, our family of five, from getting cancer or some other detrimental disease that would be far worse then the tics. As our Pastor tells us it is all in the perspective!

 

I would also just suggest that you become familiar with PANDA's because a lot of people on this forum are dealing with this other form of tics (the nervous system reacting to the strep virus or another virus).

 

The last piece of advice I would give you is, and I am not trying to convince you either way, but PLEASE read up on the increase of tics after some children are vaccinated. Vaccines can be very damaging to people who have issues with their nervous systems. Just recently their has been a lot of discussion regarding this topic in this particular link http://www.latitudes.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=2978 . But this link certainly is not the only on this forum. You could simply do a search using the word "vaccination". I have chosen not to do vaccinations on my son and all I have to do, and from my understanding it is the case in all states, you have to just sign a waiver for the school. Certainly you could also get a note from a doctor, who understands this issue, to excuse your daughter from additional vaccinations.

 

Hang in there! There certainly is something triggering her tics and takes a lot of observation and also change to start getting to the root of the problem but it is worth the effort even when you feel like you are at a dead end road. I have consistenly found when I feel like I am at a dead end, I pray about it being Christian, and low and behold I find another piece of the puzzle (thank you GOD for answering my prayers!!!!!!!!!!!)

 

God Bless,

 

 

Carolyn N.

[jennymichigan]

Hi again

I want to thank all of you who replied to my post. Your insight is very helpful. You're right, it's a bit overwhelming, but i have a long way to go. Very interesting about the Msg and artificial colorings. Abbie has not had the MMR vaccine and my 2 yr old son has had a handful of vaccines due to research i have done in the last several years re: dangers of some vaccines..i limit her sweets and try to feed her wholesome food-i give her fish oil supplements (a good quality) daily but i imagine her food still has those horrible preservatives in them. I have heard of Feingolds diet and will study it some more. I will also research the website suggested here for enzymes!

Thanks again

JEnnifer

[Calicat]

Hi Carolyn N,

Nice job of summing things up! I know your post will help lots of people who are searching for a place to start.

 

Calicat

[lmcgill]

Hi Jenny,

 

Welcome to the forum. There is a wealth of information here. When we discovered our child had ts a year ago i spent about 4 hours a day reading through the threads on this forum and asking questions. After a few months we really had things under control. Our son continues to do well. We use bontech sups and are on a strict candida diet. I don't want to overwhelm you with info now, so i think the best advice I can give would be to read as much as possible here. Also Sheila Rogers has a book "tics and tourette's" which can can order online....... a very helpful resource.

 

Finally, we're all here to help and learn from each other so keep asking questions and I believe you will find the answers for your daughter.

We have been into this journey with our son now for about 1.5 years. He has been doing very well with only the odd setback. One was at the start of school, and interestingly, he started a mild head nodding tic yesterday, the eve of his 9th birthday. It could have been the excitement of a sleepover, or some junk food he had, but hopefully it stays on the mild side. We continue his Bonnies as well as Kids Calm. I think our next step is to tighten up his diet.

[Pamela Kay]

We have been into this journey with our son now for about 1.5 years. He has been doing very well with only the odd setback. One was at the start of school, and interestingly, he started a mild head nodding tic yesterday, the eve of his 9th birthday. It could have been the excitement of a sleepover, or some junk food he had, but hopefully it stays on the mild side. We continue his Bonnies as well as Kids Calm. I think our next step is to tighten up his diet.

 

 

Hey that is pretty funny because my son had an increase in tics right before school started as well. His tics were mostly gone except for the occasional vocal tic. In the last couple days he has had a slight head/neck tic and today is his birthday too. Just thought I would add that bit of useless information!

 

I also wanted to thank Carolyn N for the very helpful post. While I am not brand new here it still is very useful and really sums things up quite well. THANK YOU!

[CarolynN]

Thank you Calicat for your kind words! I just know how it feels when you feel like things are so out of control with your child and getting information that can help them is such a huge relief. So the more information we can get out about the true causes of these tics the better.

 

I thought I would add this one other thing on that has helped my son. I read about in the "Enzymes for Autism and other Neurological Disorders" book by Karen DeFlice. She has a suggestion of making homemade lotion with epsom salts to have another way of getting epsom salts into your system to help out with the sulfation system of the body (the sulfation system helps process out toxins, histamine, and also helps with processing neurotransmitters).

 

This is from her book page 244 I quote "Cheap and easy. Heat some Epsom salts with a little water to dissolve them. I put about one teaspoon of water in three tablespoons of salts and microwave for a minute or so. Add more water if necessary. Then mix this into around four ounces of any lotion or cream you like. I have used suntan lotion, hand cream, cocoa butter, body lotion, aloe vera cream, whatever I find that is on sale or inexpensive without the chemicals I am trying to avoid."

 

We have done this for Daniel and it is very convenient and a simple way to help his sulfation system. This way if you do not have time for a bath you can lather up. It makes quit a bit of lotion mixture. The only thing I have noticed is it is a bit watery when it is fully mixed (perhaps this is just the kind of lotion I am using). I found the epsom salts take a few hours, after being in the lotion, to dissolve all the way. So be patient when you first mix it and see lots of pieces of salts. They will dissolve over time. I have used a spoon to help mix it to help crush down the salts a bit. But like I said it takes time to dissolve in the the lotion one way or another.

 

God Bless,

 

Carolyn N.

[faith]

Carolyn,

I also want to add a big thanks for explaining so well all you are learning and how each thing affects another. I have been interested in much of this and have done alot of reading, but I just get so overloaded with info that I could never put it all together by the time the book was due back in the library! I just knew it was interesting stuff.

 

I just found the book on Enzymes by K. DeFelice; alot of what's in there is on the "enzyme stuff" website, right? I have looked at that many times.

 

You mentioned you have used the Candida Clear and said it works well, was that for you or your son? If you have used it for yourself, how can you tell if it "works" well? Just curious.

 

Also, just wanted to mention, as you said you are throwing away alot of the enzyme product because you are not using all of the capsule...............when I do that with a capsule, I pull it apart very carefully, sometimes you have to turn it gently, and then just tap out half of it and then put the capsule back together leaving the rest of the powder in there for next time. Have you tried that? Just keep the ones that are half empty separate from the others so you know its only half.

 

Faith

[CarolynN]

Hi Faith,

 

Good to hear from you and thank you for your encouragement. I LOVE learning and reading about medical information. I really think God put that desire in my heart so I could understand this puzzle of tics. I just find it all very interesting and also I realize at the same time I am helping my son and others too (which is such an amazing blessing to me).

 

Regarding the enzyme website and the book by Karen DeFlice, I have not done a lot of comparing but from what I remember it is very similar information. However, in the book she explains her story with her two sons and the journey they were on finding answers. Here are some samples of her chapters "What to Expect When Starting Enzymes", "Nutrient Deficiencies and Mal-absorption", "Guidelines for Giving Enzymes", "Magnesium and Neurology", "Enzymes and Disease", and "Food and Its Effects on Neurology, the Brain, and Behavior". There are 21 chapters in all and 382 pages.

 

Regarding the Candida Clear, how I know it is working is because I get "white thrush" on my tongue with candida. This is candida overgrowth. After being on the Candida Clear, even for a few days, it is a noticeable difference and my tongue does not have the thrush anymore. However, candida is very stubborn and will give a good fight to come back. When I start eating high carbs again or especially if I am on an antibiotic it comes back. I then have to retreat myself. I also use probiotics too for myself.

 

Thank you for your advice with the enzyme capsules. That is good information!

 

Have a great day!

 

Carolyn N.

[CarolynN]

Pamela Kay,

 

I am sorry I missed your note to me. I had my setting on "outline" and I missed reading what you wrote. Thank you for your nice comments!!

 

Also I forgot to mention I give my son Omega 3. I use "Nordic Naturals" Omega 3-6-9 Junior. My naturopathic doctor told me this is her favorite brand. I should also mention you can poke the little gel like capsules with a corn in the cob holder, and squeeze it into the "Simply Lemonade". You cannot taste it mixed into the Lemonade.

 

Have a blessed day!

 

Carolyn N.

[CSP]

OK... We all did the yeast spit test Carolyn posted and the males in the family had much better results, in it looked like they did not have much yeast. The girls had alot more spit strings. Interesting the two who have TS looked better in the yeast dept.

 

Anyway my question is, if I do not want to start a detox for yeast is there natural ways to help with food? Anybody?

 

Thanks C.P.