Allergie-Immun

[MichaelTampa]

Just wanted to share about an allergy treatment I am pursuing. It is from a company in Germany, a link to the English portion of their website is below.

http://allergie-immun.de/Englisch/

 

It involves taking drops that have been energized to provide information to correct your DNA. The process involves sending them a saliva sample, they look for errors, produce and send you the drops, you take the drops for a couple weeks, then send them another saliva sample, and the process repeats until no more errors in DNA are found. It is meant as good treatment for those with autoimmune issues, allergy issues, and digestive issues (frequently from poor function of immune system and/or food allergies/sensitivities). Since transport of saliva to them and then drops to you can take a couple weeks or so, it seems to be about one set of drops roughly per month. The cost, if I remember, is 450 euros, a bit of a cost, but it's not per bottle of drops, it's for the therapy to completion, which can take a year or more, depending on how much DNA needs repairing.

 

I found out about this treatment on the lymenet message board, those with lyme who have chosen to pursue this therapy seem to report benefiting from it fairly well. While many are adults, some are also treating their children as well. Since there is similarity with lyme and PANDAS, and some people (like myself) appear to have both, I thought it would be worth a mention. I have read that lyme, when it invades a person, will actually analyze your DNA and your immune system, and make changes to it's own DNA and to your DNA to make it impossible for your body to kill it. So you could see why someone with lyme might need some DNA correction. But, there is another thread on this message board here that I have been reading, someone posted an article talking about how DNA errors may be part of the issue for other problems, including problems like PANDAS.

 

I just today got message that they shipped my first set of drops today, so I can't report personal experience yet, I haven't started treatment yet, but certainly will as time goes on. Lymenet as an enormous thread just on Allergie-Immun, 35 pages now, and a page on their message board is many times longer than a page on our message board here. I have not read it all, but have read enough to get a flavor. Many are discussing that the DNA correction allows the body to properly recognize toxic/heavy metals as problems and finally start moving them out of the body, and these metals can be part of the autoimmune problems. They also talk about the need to take binders to help truly get them out of the body, once they get moving around. This certainly speaks to me in terms of feeling like it will address my issues, but it also makes me think of those in the TS/PANDAS/Autism community.

 

Anyway, just wanted to share, for those still struggling for long-term answers, something to consider.

 

Michael

[Fixit]

Michael, thanks for posting...

besides your panda/lyme issue...do you have allergies....because i would love to hear how that fairs for you...

to see if works..also as an adult, being able to give more articulate answers ...as opposed to"good"fine""'yes""(though sometimes ds is a thesaurus)

.....that would huge for my ds...as we always seem to get one episode in the spring......And he looks like he's been beaten to a pulp, can barelyl keep his eyes open from inflamation, and so tired because he can't breath.

 

But i have a question..if you can answer...how do they know what is wrong with your dna...since everyones is different..?

also 450...is that per month or for the year?

when you say binders ...do you mean this like charcoal.bentonite?

 

Thanks Michael

 

Just wanted to share about an allergy treatment I am pursuing. It is from a company in Germany, a link to the English portion of their website is below.

http://allergie-immun.de/Englisch/

 

It involves taking drops that have been energized to provide information to correct your DNA. The process involves sending them a saliva sample, they look for errors, produce and send you the drops, you take the drops for a couple weeks, then send them another saliva sample, and the process repeats until no more errors in DNA are found. It is meant as good treatment for those with autoimmune issues, allergy issues, and digestive issues (frequently from poor function of immune system and/or food allergies/sensitivities). Since transport of saliva to them and then drops to you can take a couple weeks or so, it seems to be about one set of drops roughly per month. The cost, if I remember, is 450 euros, a bit of a cost, but it's not per bottle of drops, it's for the therapy to completion, which can take a year or more, depending on how much DNA needs repairing.

 

I found out about this treatment on the lymenet message board, those with lyme who have chosen to pursue this therapy seem to report benefiting from it fairly well. While many are adults, some are also treating their children as well. Since there is similarity with lyme and PANDAS, and some people (like myself) appear to have both, I thought it would be worth a mention. I have read that lyme, when it invades a person, will actually analyze your DNA and your immune system, and make changes to it's own DNA and to your DNA to make it impossible for your body to kill it. So you could see why someone with lyme might need some DNA correction. But, there is another thread on this message board here that I have been reading, someone posted an article talking about how DNA errors may be part of the issue for other problems, including problems like PANDAS.

 

I just today got message that they shipped my first set of drops today, so I can't report personal experience yet, I haven't started treatment yet, but certainly will as time goes on. Lymenet as an enormous thread just on Allergie-Immun, 35 pages now, and a page on their message board is many times longer than a page on our message board here. I have not read it all, but have read enough to get a flavor. Many are discussing that the DNA correction allows the body to properly recognize toxic/heavy metals as problems and finally start moving them out of the body, and these metals can be part of the autoimmune problems. They also talk about the need to take binders to help truly get them out of the body, once they get moving around. This certainly speaks to me in terms of feeling like it will address my issues, but it also makes me think of those in the TS/PANDAS/Autism community.

 

Anyway, just wanted to share, for those still struggling for long-term answers, something to consider.

 

Michael

[kimballot]

Thank you SO much for posting - please do let us know about your experience!

[MichaelTampa]

I do not have any known allergies where I have immediate reactions of a really serious nature, but I have many allergies/sensitivities to foods and chemicals and perfumes and pollens and so on. The pollens cause cold-like symptoms and the foods cause digestive issues like acid reflux and diarrhea. The perfumes cause cold-like symptoms as well as the same neurological issues that wireless devices and fluorescent lights cause (no idea if those are really allergies or not). I have had the foods and pollens successfully treated with NAET (acupuncture technique to remove allergies), NAET is supposed to be permanent, but they do keep coming back. From your description, your ds has pollen allergies a lot worse than mine.

 

I also "failed" the strep vaccine test, in that I took the vaccine and it did not substantially increase my antibodies. I really believe I have been walking around with pneumonia (strep, mycoplasma, both?) for decades. This problem may be allergy or autoimmune or none of the above, but it may relate to not properly recognizing the bacteria as something to fight against, and I expect the allergie-immun drops can help with that too.

 

Yes, indeed, how do they figure out what the "errors" are in the DNA? I have no idea. Looking at my first report here, it is talking a lot about energy blockages (body systems, glands, psychological from inherited and experienced traumas, spinal vertebrae) and food/chemical/metal allergies. Maybe they are really looking at this and inferring what the DNA errors are? Doesn't make sense to me how that could be it, but don't know what they're doing, a little bit of a mystery.

 

The report says the 450 euro covers 1, 2, or, if needed, 3 bottles of drops, that this is all people need. On the lyme message board, people are reporting going quite a bit longer than 3 bottles. I also see a post that they told someone on the message board that americans are needing much longer, are at least twice as toxic as the europeans, so that may be the standard language for the report, not reflecting americans. In an e-mail, as I asked, they did say the 450 euros covers the treatment, however many bottles of drops it takes, and discussion on the message board seems to confirm that is how they do it. The report does also ask for 10 euro each time they have to send a new bottle of drops for you, to cover postage and other related expenses.

 

Yes, some of the popular binders discussed are activated charcoal, bentonite clay, apple or grapefruit pectin, chlorella. There are more I am not remembering. The activated charcoal and bentonite clay are used a bit more cautiously than the pectin and chlorella. Apparently, the clay has aluminum and also can be tough on those dealing with leaky gut, which is almost everyone using the treatment (having food and chemicals leak through your gut into your bloodstream is thought to cause the allergies). I think the caution on activated charcoal is that it soaks up so much good stuff too.

[P_Mom]

I had my DNA checked years ago when they were looking for the mutated BRCA 1 & 2 cancer genes that are responsible for many cases of early onset ovarian cancer/breast cancer. It was an extremely detailed, intricate test that took weeks to complete once they had my blood....and, it was very expensive..... $900 just for the test.

If they are actually looking at your DNA...this is quite an elaborate, remarkable thing. If drops can fix errors in DNA...that is a true medical miracle!

[kimballot]

Hi Michael - when you say you failed the strep vaccine - are you referring to the pneumovax for strep pneumoniae? I knew you had taken it, but I did not realize that your titers did not rise. Is that correct?

[MichaelTampa]

Pmom--Yes, I agree, that would be quite a miracle, and maybe they can't quite do that. They talk about helping with chronic conditions and allergies and autoimmunity, and while this is wonderful for people with these problems, there are other problems that could be greatly helped if they could truly find all errors in DNA and fix them all. All those disorders where it is genetic and the bad gene has been found, if they could do it, no doubt they or someone would be. We can't be there yet, maybe someday. Maybe they can fix SOME DNA errors, I wish I understood it better what they are doing. They point out in their literature, the world of physics really has advanced quite a bit in the last 100 years, and medical diagnostic techniques, generally, have not kept up and used this information, whereas they are using it. Some of this is going to be beyond the understanding of many people, myself included, who are not experts in quantum physics and the like.

 

kimballot--Yes, I was referring to the pneumovax, I failed quite miserably, I had the levels rise in 3 or 4 of the 14 or 17 categories (not quite remembering the details), and the rise I had in the 3 or 4 places it did rise, it was a rise from the level of basically nothing to still extremely little, it showed a clear problem, supposedly demonstrated need for IVIG, although my insurance company did not look at it that way. The discussion they print with the test results say that normal/healthy would be at least doubling of the values in at least 70% of the groups. Certainly did not get 70%, and my lyme doc said while the 3-4 did double, they were still just too low, so he was even counting those groups as failing as well. They denied IVIG and also cut off the IV abx after 8 weeks, and while my neurological symptoms 10 days later are still not going backwards, I am having phlegm and coughing at an increasing rate with each day, the pneumonia may well be still going strong. Maybe I'll get IVIG one day, but it looks for now my hope is in this Allergie-Immun place.

[fuelforall]

I ordered a test kit for my son and it STILL hasn't come. I'm wondering if there was a paypal problem so I wrote to the AI guy in charge today. Allergies are just kicking my s on's b=== and guess what? I think in many other ways, he is healing. (hate to even post this, afraid to jinx it) So I am really eager to get rid of my son's discomfort, he already has enough from tics.

 

Of course they also say KIDS heal quicker so they w on't need as many drops.

Also, parents should know (I asked) that it does not interfere with any abx or other meds the child may be on. They use "different pathways".

thanks again, Michael

 

Michael

[Fixit]

Pmom--Yes, I agree, that would be quite a miracle, and maybe they can't quite do that. They talk about helping with chronic conditions and allergies and autoimmunity, and while this is wonderful for people with these problems, there are other problems that could be greatly helped if they could truly find all errors in DNA and fix them all. All those disorders where it is genetic and the bad gene has been found, if they could do it, no doubt they or someone would be. We can't be there yet, maybe someday. Maybe they can fix SOME DNA errors, I wish I understood it better what they are doing. They point out in their literature, the world of physics really has advanced quite a bit in the last 100 years, and medical diagnostic techniques, generally, have not kept up and used this information, whereas they are using it. Some of this is going to be beyond the understanding of many people, myself included, who are not experts in quantum physics and the like.

 

kimballot--Yes, I was referring to the pneumovax, I failed quite miserably, I had the levels rise in 3 or 4 of the 14 or 17 categories (not quite remembering the details), and the rise I had in the 3 or 4 places it did rise, it was a rise from the level of basically nothing to still extremely little, it showed a clear problem, supposedly demonstrated need for IVIG, although my insurance company did not look at it that way. The discussion they print with the test results say that normal/healthy would be at least doubling of the values in at least 70% of the groups. Certainly did not get 70%, and my lyme doc said while the 3-4 did double, they were still just too low, so he was even counting those groups as failing as well. They denied IVIG and also cut off the IV abx after 8 weeks, and while my neurological symptoms 10 days later are still not going backwards, I am having phlegm and coughing at an increasing rate with each day, the pneumonia may well be still going strong. Maybe I'll get IVIG one day, but it looks for now my hope is in this Allergie-Immun place.

 

in regards to the iv abx for lymes....i don't know where...but somewhere in the DC area is a huge lyme network..understanding, trials..i can't think of the word...

and i believe its associated with a major hospital....lyme is a huge problem there....

if you could find it...got see a doc there...maybe they would have more pull in getting approval...maybe lymemom knows...

[MichaelTampa]

fuel4all--If you want to get going quicker, you really do not need to order a test kit. You can prepare your sample by yourself as follows. Put a couple drops of saliva on toilet paper or paper towel or tissue, about a 2 inch by 2 inch square size. I used Publix recycled brand tp (no perfumes/colors), but don't know if that's important. Then, wrap that in aluminum foil by just folding it over the edges to keep it wrapped but nice and thin for the envelope. Put that in an envelope, along with a piece of paper where you have written/printed the person's name, age, gender, a brief symptom list. Assuming you're writing in english, keep in mind that they are not english experts, so keep the symptom list as easy to understand as possible. Also, in there tell them whether you've ordered just the initial report or the therapy and that you've paid so much via paypal on whatever date you paid. It is 94 or 96 or 98 cents airmail to Germany, your post office will know. I did it this way, just got my drops today, 16 days after I mailed it away, and this is roughly average turnaround time, but it can vary quite a bit. They do not send out any receipt/confirmation unless something comes up that they need from you before they can proceed.

 

Fixit--Just got a call today that my IV abx and IVIG are now approved through August. My goodness, quite a day to get the drops and these approvals. Not really sure if I am going to go ahead with the drugs, here, trying to heal the gut, and kind of thinking this allergie-immun therapy is something I do not want to do in combination with IVIG. The drops are made for my DNA, so introducing DNA of 1000 others ... hmm, perhaps if I use IVIG, it would be by finishing the allergie-immun drops already made, then IVIG, then let that settle, then order next round of drops, at least so the drops are made for the way my body is when I'm taking them.

 

Michael

[kimballot]

Fixit--Just got a call today that my IV abx and IVIG are now approved through August. My goodness, quite a day to get the drops and these approvals. Not really sure if I am going to go ahead with the drugs, here, trying to heal the gut, and kind of thinking this allergie-immun therapy is something I do not want to do in combination with IVIG. The drops are made for my DNA, so introducing DNA of 1000 others ... hmm, perhaps if I use IVIG, it would be by finishing the allergie-immun drops already made, then IVIG, then let that settle, then order next round of drops, at least so the drops are made for the way my body is when I'm taking them.

 

Michael

 

Michael - I have to tell you that your profile is like a grown up version of my son in so many ways (minus the lyme). I have been thinking about you all day and was despairing over your lack of insurance approval for IV ABX and IVIG. Now I am rejoicing! Of course it comes AFTER you spent all that $ on the drops! How long will the drops last you??? and .... How long is the IVIG approval for???

 

Wishing you all the best! You deserve it!

Edited July 6, 2010 by kimballot

[MichaelTampa]

kim--The allergie-immun drops are supposed to be taken for 2 weeks, then I resent saliva sample and wait a couple-few weeks for the next set, and it goes on like that until the DNA looks fixed to them.

 

Both the IVabx and IVIG approvals are through the end of August. I feel like that give me a little time to mull over if/when I want to get back to abx. The IVIG is pretty low-dose, it's how my lyme doc does it, 20gm first time as a test, and then 40gm every 3 weeks. With the IVIG, wondering if I want to expose myself with low-dose blood once or twice only to have it not be approved after that, all the while knowing it will make it more difficult for the allergie-immun stuff to work (introducing foreign DNA into the system).

 

Thanks for your well-wishes. For now I'm enjoying having started my drops today!

 

Michael

[Fixit]

(introducing foreign DNA into the system).

 

 

Michael

 

can you explain...is this sort of like the ivig of drops?

i thought it was your own dna...and then i didn't get what happens from there?

[kimballot]

(introducing foreign DNA into the system).

 

 

Michael

 

can you explain...is this sort of like the ivig of drops?

i thought it was your own dna...and then i didn't get what happens from there?

 

I think he was saying that if he has IVIG he will have donor antibodies in his blood... which is different from his own DNA...so the test my not be valid any longer

[MichaelTampa]

(introducing foreign DNA into the system).

 

 

Michael

 

can you explain...is this sort of like the ivig of drops?

i thought it was your own dna...and then i didn't get what happens from there?

 

I think he was saying that if he has IVIG he will have donor antibodies in his blood... which is different from his own DNA...so the test my not be valid any longer

 

 

Yes, that is what I meant, Kim, the Allergie-Immun drops are meant for my DNA as it was when I send each saliva sample, but if I get IVIG in the meantime, then it seems to me that messes with what my DNA is. The Allergie-Immun drops are not actually DNA (mine or otherwise), they contain energetic information designed to help my DNA.