Immunizations

[kim]

Deeana,

 

I just wish we had the info. to make right decisions.

 

Seems we have a lot of people with auto immune illness, yet no good studies on the effects of vaccination as opposed to natural infection. How can that be? Look at that schedule and how many vaccines there are. Now look for studies involving children with known/ recognized autoimmune/inflammatory illness. There should be some good info right? Try to find it.

 

Also, if you look at what happened with Prevnar, there have been different strains than what were commonly causing infection that are popping up and causing problems (some are highly antibiotic resistant). So now they're adding 6 more strains to the original 7. If I believe the vax is going to offer my child protection from one strain, am I increasing the odds that they will be infected with another? I'm thinking about the menningitis vaccine here.

 

Will the vaccine hype up my childs immune response or suppress it (vaccines have been shown to do both at different time frames). Will they be more susceptable to other illness after the vaccine, for how long?

 

These are only some of the questions that I don't believe have good answers!

[NancyD]

I agree with Dut ... check the titers. We have not vaccinated DD14 since she was 5. Her titers for each of the vaccines have been high so she did not need any boosters. This includes tetanus.

 

Sorry.. didn't read entire thread, in a rush, just wondered if you had checked tetanus titer.. may save you the hassle of revaccing for at least a bit, if covered..

 

thanks

[dee45]

thanks everyone I do think that I actually had Dr. Latimer order titers back in the winter I don't know why I forgot that I am going to pull them and see where his titers fall. Yes Kim I agree with everything you said, I wish there was a clear cut answer but I do get what you are saying. thanks everyone for all the input you all keep me thinking and thats a good thing. Hope evryone has a great day!!!

 

Deanna

[CSP]

Had a tough week with my 18yo dd (does not have tics) and her Dr. really pushing vaccines. My dd is going off to college in the fall and she had to have a well check. I was floored when they told me she was to have another meningitis vaccine. She and her brother (ds with TS) had these vaccines going on 5 years now, and this is one of the vaccines that sent my son overboard.

 

I was so mad I took the sheet and told the dr. I would be contacting the university. I told the university nurse my dd would not be getting that vaccine again do to adverse affects with a family history of vaccines. She told me that was fine and I did have to have my dd get the TB skin test. That was a little freaky I don't remember ever having liquid injected for the TB, just a prick.

 

So I don't understand why our kids have to have the meningitis when they are so little if college is the real problem for meningitis. You all will just have to have them again when they go off to college.

 

The other thing for the parent who was sending their child to school after homeschooling. I will be also sending my youngest to public school next year and our Dr. said we could claim bad reaction to vaccine in family history. I aslo wanted to let any Catholics out there... the chicken pox vaccine is made with aborted fetal cells and as Catholics we can claim religious exemption on moral grounds. http://www.cogforlife.org

 

 

CP

[mama2alex]

This SIXTH combo of DtaP/ TDaP/DPT etc. is being recommended for exactly that reason Peg. Babies are still getting Pertussis. I suspect there have been many cases in older kids too, which were probably diagnosed as asthma. If the kid was fully immunized it couldn't be Pertussis right? I had a Dr. tell me this herself. She said she had to take swabs and prove to the CDC that it was Pertussis. How well has this vax ever worked? It wasn't dangerous (annoying yes) to the older children, but they didn't belong on a steroid for asthma either. It was pertussis.

 

This reminds me, my son was fully vaxed with DTaP and he has ZERO immunity to it. We checked titers prior to giving him his final DTaP shot, and he had zero immunity. Then we gave it to him and a year later we checked titers agin - zero immunity. I wonder how many kids get this shot and get absolutely no benefit/protection from it.

 

This is also interesting because my son has asthma that only flairs when he's sick. It started 6 weeks after his last DTaP vaccine.

[datagirl]

In Texas, you can claim exemption for "reasons of consience, which may include a religious belief." You request the forms from DSH and checkmark the vaccines which you exempt your child from. The form must be notarized.

[dee45]

thanks for all the info.

 

Deanna

[smartyjones]

I agree with Dut ... check the titers. We have not vaccinated DD14 since she was 5. Her titers for each of the vaccines have been high so she did not need any boosters. This includes tetanus.

 

 

i know this sounds a little like 'whose on first' but. . .

 

if you don't check titers and get a vaccine - but if you had checked and they were high -- would the vaccine then be basically useless b/c you already have appropriate immunity to that disease?

[dee45]

I think if the titers are high than you do not need to be revaccinated. is this right??

 

Deanna

[dut]

I assume so, yes. The point of vaccinating is to confer immunity (unless you're big pharma and you may have some other priorities but hey, we all got to make a buck ) so if your child can show immunity with testing titers, you shouldn't have to vaccinate. Not sure how you would convey this to a school system though. Maybe a letter from a dr and supporting evidence?? dunno...

[justinekno]

My vet was telling me the other day that it is common to check the titers of pets to see if they need their vaccine. I thought it was interesting that checking titers on a dog was "acceptable" but not so much on a person.

 

I assume so, yes. The point of vaccinating is to confer immunity (unless you're big pharma and you may have some other priorities but hey, we all got to make a buck ) so if your child can show immunity with testing titers, you shouldn't have to vaccinate. Not sure how you would convey this to a school system though. Maybe a letter from a dr and supporting evidence?? dunno...

[kim]

Something to think about in regards to titer testing. Also, when we were all trying to find info on a reasonable amt of time that a certain vaccine being to used to determine "immuno deficiency," why was it so hard to come up with good data on that? A certain advantage in lack of info. maybe?

 

 

http://www.beyondconformity.org.nz/_blog/H...cine_questions/

 

I've had Hepatitis B twice. Supposedly different sub-groups. I had detectable antibodies for 13 years afterwards. Then about ten years after that, on changing doctors, my new doctor decided to test for a few things, and gleefully told me I should have a series of Hepatitis B shots, since I had no antibodies.

 

After a few moments, I said to him, "When you studied Immunology 101, did you not study memory immunity, or an amnestic response? Isn't the function of the body to retain memory, and in the absense of detectable antibodies, and rechallenge by the virus, to immediately start putting out antibodies again?"

 

The doctor blustered somewhat, along the lines of "quite right,.. so... um..." And not long before that, Sandor Milne, who did much of the original research on Hepatitis B infection and carriage in this country, had expounded on this in the Northland Advocate, assuring people that no boosters would be necessary, because of .... "memory Immunity

[Stephanie2]

You know how I said above that aluminum is used to stimulate an immune response? From above "Diphtheria Toxoid Conjugate Vaccine" They join the vaccine components to diptheria to kick up the immune response. It's the same with Prevnar. The babies (i think it's under two) weren't responding to pneumonia vaccines the way adults did. So they added the diphtheria and aluminum and golly gee, they got antibodies.

 

Great, so those of us who got away without autism, well our babies are still subject to alzheimers with the aluminum...lovely, just lovely.

 

I tried so hard to stay away from this thread...just couldn't do it ! At least I kept it to one line...

Edited July 3, 2010 by Stephanie2

[NancyD]

I assume so, yes. The point of vaccinating is to confer immunity (unless you're big pharma and you may have some other priorities but hey, we all got to make a buck ) so if your child can show immunity with testing titers, you shouldn't have to vaccinate. Not sure how you would convey this to a school system though. Maybe a letter from a dr and supporting evidence?? dunno...

 

Yes, the purpose of testing the titers is to confirm the level of immunity. If the level is high enough you don't need to be re-vaccinated. We have been checking titers for 9 years and DD has had high levels of immunity for everything including tetanus since age 5. In my state (MA), a letter from the doctor is sufficient. I also provide the school with a copy of the lab test showing the titers. You may need to check requirements for your state.

Edited July 3, 2010 by NancyD

[matis_mom]

'You have to Google Guillain-Barre.'" It was against the rules, for fear of feeding a patient's anxiety, but the nurse checked. "Within two hours, a new doctor was doing tests and checked me into the hospital."

Well, I googled it and guess what the treatment is? Plasmapheresis or IVIG!!! Ring a bell?