kim Posted November 14, 2007 Report Share Posted November 14, 2007 http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/2007/nov/12/uknews.health Ritalin of no long-term benefit, study finds http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=685311 MOST FLU SHOTS CONTAIN MERCURY BUT FEW KNOW IT http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...7111101076.html How Science Is Rewriting the Book on Genes Graduation day comes and the new doctors assemble to get their diplomas. The dean gazes out and announces sheepishly: "I'm sorry to tell you that half of what we taught you is wrong. The problem is, we don't know which half." http://www.themoneytimes.com/news/20071113...id-1013128.html Vancouver, British Columbia -- Eating too much fructose and glucose can turn off the gene that regulates the levels of testosterone and estrogen in the body, a Canadian study found http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/13/health/13kids.html In a normally developing brain, the cerebral cortex — the outer wrapping, where circuits involved in conscious thought are concentrated — thickens during early childhood. It then reverses course and thins out, losing neurons as the brain matures through adolescence. The study found that, on average, the brains of children with A.D.H.D. began this “pruning” process at age 10 ½, about three years later than their peers. And But the greatest delays in brain maturation were found in precisely those areas of the cortex most involved in attention and motor control, said the lead author of the study, Dr. Philip Shaw, a psychiatrist at the National Institute of Mental Health. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michele Posted November 14, 2007 Report Share Posted November 14, 2007 Kim thanks for sharing. These are good articles. I wish I had read the flu shot one a year ago. We all had the flu shot at the Dr's request even me and I was eight months pregnant! I was told for years to give Andrew the flu shot because it would keep him well. After that flu shot last year he had very bad tics and behavior trouble. I never put that together until lately. Now we are trying to get the heavy metals out of him. I just can't help but think what if I never gave those shots? Also the ADHD meds article brought up several good points about growth delays and long term difference to using it. My friend swears it is the only thng to keep her son on task. He had damage to his brain rom seizures. If that part of the cerebral cortex thins out in early teens maybe that is why the tic disorders start to improve also. Also the delays in maturation would make sence. My friend's son is very immature so is Andrew. Thanks for pointing these out. Keep up the good work! Michele http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/2007/nov/12/uknews.health Ritalin of no long-term benefit, study finds http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=685311 MOST FLU SHOTS CONTAIN MERCURY BUT FEW KNOW IT http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...7111101076.html How Science Is Rewriting the Book on Genes Graduation day comes and the new doctors assemble to get their diplomas. The dean gazes out and announces sheepishly: "I'm sorry to tell you that half of what we taught you is wrong. The problem is, we don't know which half." http://www.themoneytimes.com/news/20071113...id-1013128.html Vancouver, British Columbia -- Eating too much fructose and glucose can turn off the gene that regulates the levels of testosterone and estrogen in the body, a Canadian study found http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/13/health/13kids.html In a normally developing brain, the cerebral cortex — the outer wrapping, where circuits involved in conscious thought are concentrated — thickens during early childhood. It then reverses course and thins out, losing neurons as the brain matures through adolescence. The study found that, on average, the brains of children with A.D.H.D. began this “pruning” process at age 10 ½, about three years later than their peers. And But the greatest delays in brain maturation were found in precisely those areas of the cortex most involved in attention and motor control, said the lead author of the study, Dr. Philip Shaw, a psychiatrist at the National Institute of Mental Health. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calicat Posted November 14, 2007 Report Share Posted November 14, 2007 Thanks for taking the time to share your research, Kim. Good articles! The flu shot one in particular got my blood boiling (to the point I was talking back to my computer screen). Grrrr! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faith Posted November 14, 2007 Report Share Posted November 14, 2007 Does anyone know of others who have had flu shots, child or adult, and have had any ill effects? I mean we here are cautious because of tics and other behavioral problems, but has anyone been aware of other things that could go awry in a person who has never had tics before? Faith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kim Posted November 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2007 My oldest son is in the midst of a bad head shaking flair. He will be 15 shortly. He has been 98% tic free for close to two years. It sends you right back to the scary depths of dark places to see your child go thru this as a freshman. I do want to add that we have been very lax on supplements, enzymes, diet etc. for the most part, since mid summer. It's such a balancing act, with slurpees and doritos, making an issue of of supplements with friends around all of the time vs letting them be kids. I chose to back off, hoping the worst was behind him, and focusing more on my younger son and his eating issues. If I can stress one thing to parents going thru this with younger children, please please do not give in to the notion that there is nothing more than mind altering drugs to improve a situation that is not bearable for your child. Stay the course, it's much easier when they are young. I only have a minute here (and want to apoligize for not responding to some questions) but in regards to these articles, I am so furious that thimerosal vaccines are being injected into pregnant moms and if they are giving any 6 month old infants, two of these.....I can olny wonder about the true motivation. This is another must read article http://www.scipub.org/fulltext/ajbb/ajbb4273-84.pdf Oxidative Stress in Autism: Elevated Cerebellar 3-nitrotyrosine Levels I wanted to add that we have never had an ADHA problem. I have come to recognize a bit more OCD characteristics from the info. from parents on this forum. I would have been lost without this place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michele Posted November 14, 2007 Report Share Posted November 14, 2007 Kim, Good point on staying the course. Just today my mom who totally sees his OCD and behaviors and tics for what they are is really questioning my using these supplements on him. She has said on several occasions her friend the pharmacist had told her stories of how these supplements don't always react well together and can have adverse effects. When I told her about the diareeha she suggested maybe I should just stop everything because maybe they are making it worse. There are many people I would not even tell even close friends about the supplements because they may think it is over the top. In fact alot of people talk about bad behaviors as lack of good parenting and I just say well maybe the child has a medical problem. Even the diet is so questioned that I think people may see us as weird parents since he is not really showing an allergy to wheat. Maybe I'm just being too sensitive. This nystatin is sure making him kind of moody today. Sorry to hear about the trouble your oldest is having. That is tough. I have been there hoping the worst was behind when they seem so much better. Possibly trying the diet will help you again. You do much for everyone here. Thanks for everything. Your aticles are so informative. Michele My oldest son is in the midst of a bad head shaking flair. He will be 15 shortly. He has been 98% tic free for close to two years. It sends you right back to the scary depths of dark places to see your child go thru this as a freshman. I do want to add that we have been very lax on supplements, enzymes, diet etc. for the most part, since mid summer. It's such a balancing act, with slurpees and doritos, making an issue of of supplements with friends around all of the time vs letting them be kids. I chose to back off, hoping the worst was behind him, and focusing more on my younger son and his eating issues. If I can stress one thing to parents going thru this with younger children, please please do not give in to the notion that there is nothing more than mind altering drugs to improve a situation that is not bearable for your child. Stay the course, it's much easier when they are young. I only have a minute here (and want to apoligize for not responding to some questions) but in regards to these articles, I am so furious that thimerosal vaccines are being injected into pregnant moms and if they are giving any 6 month old infants, two of these.....I can olny wonder about the true motivation. This is another must read article http://www.scipub.org/fulltext/ajbb/ajbb4273-84.pdf Oxidative Stress in Autism: Elevated Cerebellar 3-nitrotyrosine Levels I wanted to add that we have never had an ADHA problem. I have come to recognize a bit more OCD characteristics from the info. from parents on this forum. I would have been lost without this place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kim Posted November 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2007 Thanks for the kind remarks Michelle. I wanted to mention that I was giving my son mag citrate. Not seeing improvement. Started giving him mag taurate, better. Also Michelle, if you start having a tough time with behaviors or flu like symptoms (can even include a rash or fever) with die off from nystatin, you might want to try activated charcoal. I think I recently saw Source Naturals recommended. At first, I thought it sounded like a nasty thing to have a child swallow, but it appears many parents, who I consider very educated, many with DAN drs. use this with highly sensitive kids with many medical issues. The only real warning I have seen regarding it's use, is not to give it near supplements or medications, because it neutralizes darn near everything. As with anything, you may want to run by your Dr. if you decide it's necessary. It is supposed to be quite helpful. Faith, If you check the VAERS website, I'm sure you would find many adverse events reported after the flu shot. If I get a chance I'll try to pull that page up. An adult male on another forum made the remark that he felt his symptoms had been worse, after recently receiving a flu shot. Calicat, A friend of mine sent this link to me a tonite. She said it would make me explode. You may want to have some duct tape handy, if anyone in your house is sleeping. Maybe in the future, some of us will meet, wearing stripes. think it would be called, "refusal to vax until more is known about the immune system" prison. I included my response to her. http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/novem...107Immunize.htm I'm hardly even surprised. If parents don’t ban together, we can’t stop this. I wish more parents were aware of exemptions, but they’re working overtime to get rid of those too . It seems as if the more they get away with, the more bold they become. I'm thinking this might be a stupid move though. I don't think parents like to be bullied in this manner. They push too hard (I had read in a different article that the majority of the kids were behind on hep b and varicella) and they may end up with a whole bunch of teed off parents, that WILL start questioning what is really going on here. We can only pray. I got a letter home from the school yesterday. Said two students at the high school had been diagnosed with MRSA. It went on to say how most people have had staph or MRSA and how unlikely it is to cause serious illness or death. Says many more people are hospitalized with the flu. Now I wonder why they have to mention flu. Ya think it has something to due with the fact that there’s a vax for it? Couldn't the same thing be said about chickenpox? But they're willing to lock parents up for not getting that vax? As soon as there is a vax for MRSA, it will be known as a swift deadly killer. Until then, all you really need to do, is wash your hands, as the odds of a serious problem are just soooo low more extensive article same issue http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...7111301408.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patty Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 Kim, I hope your son is getting better soon. I heart goes out to you & your son. You probably know this already, but thought i should mention it. When my son had a bad head nodding tic, the magnesium creme works wonder. I applied it on his trouble spot 2/3 times a day, along with 1/2 epsom baths a day. It reduces the tic at least 50% by the next day. Have you tried CST? My son's head tic was pretty much gone after 2/3 CST sessions with his ND. However, i need to stress that finding an experience practitioners makes a world of difference, since i didn't see as much improvement from the prior two practitioners. Take care! Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosbud Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 Hi - Kim I hope your son recovers quickly - I am going through a similar thing with my little one with head nodding and eye squeezing. It is very worrying and such a helpless feeling We started taurine along with magnesium and B vitamins and hope that will help. Pat thanks for sharing about the mag creme and epsom salt baths. I will be trying to find some today! Can you please advise how much epsom salts is used per bath? Please forgive me for being so ignorant, but what is a CST and what is an ND? I'm relatively new to all of this and don't know all the terms. Thanks! Rose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patty Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 Hi Rosbud, You can order the magnesium creme on line, but not sure of the email address. I think is www.kirkman.com or www.kirkmanlab.com. The phone number is 1800-245-8282. It is an alternative to epsom bath. Use 2 cups of epsom salt per bath, and soak anywhere from 20-30 minutes. Since your son is having a head nodding tic, i would wet the towel with epsom salt bath water and put it around his neck and shoulder while he is soaking in the tub. This will relax the muscle in that area. Be sure to drink plenty of filtered water after the bath to help your body detox. When my son had his head nodding tic, i gave him epsom bath in the AM & PM, and depending the the serverity of his tic, i would also applied the magnesium creme on his neck, upper shoulder and upper back area, up to 2/3X a day. I see a pretty quick reduction. You can also order Kids calm from www.iherb.com. It is a magnesium supplement in powder and it is easy for kids to take. I notice it really helps stablize the wax & wane cycle. CST is craniolsacral therapy. It is very gentle and noninvasive. ND is a naturopathic doctor. I don't remember reading about posts about your son. If you post more info., perhaps we can offer more suggestions that may help. Good luck! Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faith Posted November 16, 2007 Report Share Posted November 16, 2007 Just to let you all know, re vaccines, I had a follow-up appt. with our DAN doctor yesterday and I asked what I should do about future vaccines and what his take on it was. He said that I should request to have him tested for the immunity before I did it and said he probably shouldn't have or need any more vaccines. We didn't talk long about it but I asked because I wondered if he would know how to go about being exempted. I got the impression that he thought I should just refuse vaccines or request the test to see if he needed it. Kim, in a way I was sort of glad to hear that you had sort of laxed off on your usual protocol for your sons, only because then at least it sort of stands to reason that this could be the reason why the oldest is going through a flair. I'm truly sorry about that, but I mean that hopefully when you get back on the wagon, and things get better, then it just gives our mission that much more credence, you know? I too, have fallen off pretty big this season, especially since Halloween, and my son was experiencing more than usual eye twitching, so I have read him (and myself) the riot act and am vowing to stay or course, and I think things look better after 4-5 days now. No matter how much back and forth goes on, I do believe the dietary especially plays a big part in managing these tics, for I can see when he's had too much cheating, it shows. I am not going to test it, but I have no doubts that if I kept feeding the dragon, things would be so much worse. ... Hope things get better soon, for you and anyone else experiencing a curve. Faith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosbud Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 Hi Pat, Thank you for all the information you provided! I purchased the epsom salt last night and we will begin the baths today and I will look up the websites re the mag creme today. My drug store only had a mag. paste used for boils etc and I don't think that is what you are referring to. Kim Interestingly enough, I just noted that my daughter is the same age as your son, almost 15, and as I mentioned in a previous post, she is having the same head nodding tic that your son is experiencing. I wonder, did you son recently have his booster shots (MMR)? My daughter was required to have it and it was not long after that the head nodding started. Prior to that she had eye blinking when she was much younger but after treatment for deficiencies and allergies, plus trying to stay on a healthy diet, she had been almost tic free for approx 2 1/2 - 3 years. Within the last year we noticed the stomach flexing motions but otherwise she was fine. Mind you, we too had become a bit slack on our supplement and diet routine ... as you said, just relaxing and letting her be a kid. I have to say also that as she gets older I am finding it more difficult to cope as she hates taking the supplements and seems to insist on eating junk food. Chewing gum seems to aggravate the eye twitches and she knows that she shouldn't have it but does so against my chidings anyway. Your words are so true ... "It sends you right back to the scary depths of dark places to see your child go thru this as a freshman"., and I am afraid for the future and what else can happen. Our kids are not far away from college and when we are not there to ensure that supplements are taken and to observe what is taking place with their bodies and intervene .. it scares and worries me. Rose Hi Rosbud, You can order the magnesium creme on line, but not sure of the email address. I think is www.kirkman.com or www.kirkmanlab.com. The phone number is 1800-245-8282. It is an alternative to epsom bath. Use 2 cups of epsom salt per bath, and soak anywhere from 20-30 minutes. Since your son is having a head nodding tic, i would wet the towel with epsom salt bath water and put it around his neck and shoulder while he is soaking in the tub. This will relax the muscle in that area. Be sure to drink plenty of filtered water after the bath to help your body detox. When my son had his head nodding tic, i gave him epsom bath in the AM & PM, and depending the the serverity of his tic, i would also applied the magnesium creme on his neck, upper shoulder and upper back area, up to 2/3X a day. I see a pretty quick reduction. You can also order Kids calm from www.iherb.com. It is a magnesium supplement in powder and it is easy for kids to take. I notice it really helps stablize the wax & wane cycle. CST is craniolsacral therapy. It is very gentle and noninvasive. ND is a naturopathic doctor. I don't remember reading about posts about your son. If you post more info., perhaps we can offer more suggestions that may help. Good luck! Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Mom Posted November 17, 2007 Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 Hi Pat, Thank you for all the information you provided! I purchased the epsom salt last night and we will begin the baths today and I will look up the websites re the mag creme today. My drug store only had a mag. paste used for boils etc and I don't think that is what you are referring to. Kim Interestingly enough, I just noted that my daughter is the same age as your son, almost 15, and as I mentioned in a previous post, she is having the same head nodding tic that your son is experiencing. I wonder, did you son recently have his booster shots (MMR)? My daughter was required to have it and it was not long after that the head nodding started. Prior to that she had eye blinking when she was much younger but after treatment for deficiencies and allergies, plus trying to stay on a healthy diet, she had been almost tic free for approx 2 1/2 - 3 years. Within the last year we noticed the stomach flexing motions but otherwise she was fine. Mind you, we too had become a bit slack on our supplement and diet routine ... as you said, just relaxing and letting her be a kid. I have to say also that as she gets older I am finding it more difficult to cope as she hates taking the supplements and seems to insist on eating junk food. Chewing gum seems to aggravate the eye twitches and she knows that she shouldn't have it but does so against my chidings anyway. Your words are so true ... "It sends you right back to the scary depths of dark places to see your child go thru this as a freshman"., and I am afraid for the future and what else can happen. Our kids are not far away from college and when we are not there to ensure that supplements are taken and to observe what is taking place with their bodies and intervene .. it scares and worries me. Rose Hi Rosbud, You can order the magnesium creme on line, but not sure of the email address. I think is www.kirkman.com or www.kirkmanlab.com. The phone number is 1800-245-8282. It is an alternative to epsom bath. Use 2 cups of epsom salt per bath, and soak anywhere from 20-30 minutes. Since your son is having a head nodding tic, i would wet the towel with epsom salt bath water and put it around his neck and shoulder while he is soaking in the tub. This will relax the muscle in that area. Be sure to drink plenty of filtered water after the bath to help your body detox. When my son had his head nodding tic, i gave him epsom bath in the AM & PM, and depending the the serverity of his tic, i would also applied the magnesium creme on his neck, upper shoulder and upper back area, up to 2/3X a day. I see a pretty quick reduction. You can also order Kids calm from www.iherb.com. It is a magnesium supplement in powder and it is easy for kids to take. I notice it really helps stablize the wax & wane cycle. CST is craniolsacral therapy. It is very gentle and noninvasive. ND is a naturopathic doctor. I don't remember reading about posts about your son. If you post more info., perhaps we can offer more suggestions that may help. Good luck! Pat Just a bit of info. about vaccines, (which I will not be vaccinating my kids anymore, nor getting flu shots, etc.) I just read that all but two states (I forget which ones) allow you to deny vaccinations for religious reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kim Posted November 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2007 Thank you all SO much for well wishes, and suggestions/support. I have been reading every single remark, believe me. I just have had so little time to reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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