pixiesmommy Posted February 14, 2011 Report Posted February 14, 2011 This may have come up before, but wondered what you all think or what your drs have had to say, if anything.... If taking glutathione and/or activated charcoal AND abx, how far about do these need to be so as not to detox the abx? Thanks!!
justinekno Posted February 14, 2011 Report Posted February 14, 2011 The activated charcoal we space at least three hours away from supplements and antibiotics - just to be sure and I give glutathione with supplements and antibiotics in the AM and then give the glutathione again before bed along with probiotics. On 2/14/2011 at 7:52 PM, pixiesmommy said: This may have come up before, but wondered what you all think or what your drs have had to say, if anything.... If taking glutathione and/or activated charcoal AND abx, how far about do these need to be so as not to detox the abx? Thanks!!
mama2alex Posted February 15, 2011 Report Posted February 15, 2011 We give transdermal glutathione and I give it about an hour before abx. The doctor didn't say these had to be spaced apart per se, so I never really thought about it. As far as I know, glutathione supports the immune system, is an antioxidant, and does help the body detox in general, but I'm not sure it would have a direct negative impact on abx if given at the same time. This is an interesting question though. I'll ask our LLMD when we go in later today and get back to you with what she says. Our doctor did say to give bentonite clay at least two hours away from everything else, so I assume charcoal is the same deal. He said the clay absorbs all kinds of things, so best on an empty stomach followed by lots of water.
justinekno Posted February 15, 2011 Report Posted February 15, 2011 Our LLMD did say that Glutathione can be given with antibiotics. I'll be curious to see if that's the general consensus. On 2/15/2011 at 7:21 PM, mama2alex said: We give transdermal glutathione and I give it about an hour before abx. The doctor didn't say these had to be spaced apart per se, so I never really thought about it. As far as I know, glutathione supports the immune system, is an antioxidant, and does help the body detox in general, but I'm not sure it would have a direct negative impact on abx if given at the same time. This is an interesting question though. I'll ask our LLMD when we go in later today and get back to you with what she says. Our doctor did say to give bentonite clay at least two hours away from everything else, so I assume charcoal is the same deal. He said the clay absorbs all kinds of things, so best on an empty stomach followed by lots of water.
Fixit Posted February 15, 2011 Report Posted February 15, 2011 I'm sorry ,,,what's the process with gluitahione..is that in lou of clay, or charcoal
philamom Posted February 16, 2011 Report Posted February 16, 2011 On 2/15/2011 at 10:28 PM, Fixit said: I'm sorry ,,,what's the process with gluitahione..is that in lou of clay, or charcoal fixit- off topic...your mailbox is full.
Fixit Posted February 16, 2011 Report Posted February 16, 2011 (edited) On 2/16/2011 at 12:13 AM, philamom said: On 2/15/2011 at 10:28 PM, Fixit said: I'm sorry ,,,what's the process with gluitahione..is that in lou of clay, or charcoal fixit- off topic...your mailbox is full. did a little clean up ...thanks i think yours if full too.. Edited February 16, 2011 by Fixit
lismom Posted February 16, 2011 Report Posted February 16, 2011 Fixit, I really need to know your experience with the allergy shots. My son started today. We are dealing with pandas and maybe lyme. But I wanted to know if you saw an increase in tics at first or not. So nervous I'm rocking the boat. Thanks, Kathy
Fixit Posted February 16, 2011 Report Posted February 16, 2011 (edited) On 2/16/2011 at 1:11 AM, lismom said: Fixit, I really need to know your experience with the allergy shots. My son started today. We are dealing with pandas and maybe lyme. But I wanted to know if you saw an increase in tics at first or not. So nervous I'm rocking the boat. Thanks, Kathy Just to let you know..my ds has really bad allergies...so for us we were at do or die... we had to address them before next allergy season...and possibly send him over the edge and that would force my hand into a big gun...because he would definitely suffer and deteriorate when spring hit. Doc b started him a level AA, which is a level below normal, starting level is A ... I swear w/i 24 hours he seemed better...it was almost like a relief for his system... when you are allerigic to EVREY outdoor element plus a few others... Even though i haven't had our windows open in 8 years...it's got to come in on our hair, shoes, opening closing the doors, etc, we were at a no brainer point...but still hard to pull trigger.. We did start Singulair at 10mg about a week before starting shots.. he did have fall allergies though not as bad, but i think they were progressing...and i wanted to help clear his cells before adding more stuff..(i am aware of singluaris problems,,but again zyrtec and such didn't put dent in his conditon....and he has great disposition,,,,so i think i would quickly pick up on other issues) once pollens got to about 0,zero, here is GA that is december)...i droppred his singualre to 5mg...and have been maintaining him there We started level B last week..going for second level B shot today(so we are about 5 months in)...pollen count in 30's last couple of days.. keeping a close eye on his allergy symptoms...and he still looks good... i will know, more in acouple of weeks...(pollen in GA gets to 3300((2009's highest ever peak)) to knew high peak last year at 5600!!!!!!first week of april)..the nex week usually drops to 1500-2000 Now i will say since starting level B...mind you, on that day we also started a lymes protocal, with alot of other variables...things have deteriorated alot... And i am 90% sure it is not do to the shots, but to the many things ds has added to his system... Or maybe it is the pollen outside..just thought of that...we went from 0-30ish quickly...but no allergy symptoms...and again, i don't think its the pollen this time either..(not as confident it's not the actual pollen, but definitley not the shots) sorry for long answer...but i didn't think you were looking for a -"-things are good"- answer Edited February 16, 2011 by Fixit
mama2alex Posted February 16, 2011 Report Posted February 16, 2011 Pixiesmommy, Is she taking oral or transdermal glutathione? My understanding is that taken orally its not well absorbed by the body. If you need to go the oral route, I believe its more effective to give NAC, a precurser to glutathione. Also, our LLMD told me yesterday that if taking transdermal glut, its okay to take at the same time as abx, that the oral form should not be taken at the same time as antibiotics because there's potential for it to mix in the stomach and detox some of the antibiotic. Fixit, glutathione is not taken in lieu of charcoal or clay. It's an antioxidant that mops up free radicals in the brain and elsewhere in the body, supports the immune system and has some detoxification properties. Clay and charcoal more directly mop up toxins in the gut and help protect the gut. I did a little more reading on it today and just fyi, glutathione deficiency has been implicated in cancer, Alzheimer's disease, Parkinson's disease, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, asthma, radiation poisoning, suboptimal immune response, Schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, major depressive disorder, and schizophrenia, according to Wikipedia. According to our DAN doc, its very common in autism spectrum kids. Also, this from Wikipedia was interesting: "According to a group of researchers in France, vitamin D increases glutathione levels in the brain and appears to be a catalyst for glutathione production.[25] The amount of activated vitamin D in the brain is tied to how much vitamin D3 one has, either ingested through supplements or created in the skin via sun exposure. This suggests taking vitamin D3 supplements and/or getting adequate sun exposure boosts glutathione production."
pixiesmommy Posted February 17, 2011 Author Report Posted February 17, 2011 I was reading the same info and wanted to try it- can't hurt, right? I know that abx can deplete glut supplies even further, as well as vaccines (which she had until Kindergarten) and Tylenol. I just learned about the oral thing. I wonder if I give it at the same time as the D if that would help it along orally.... just thinking out loud here!! A friend told me there is a cream too, but not sure how she would tolerate that. I know injections are the best, but that isn't happening unless the LLMD orders it, which he certainly may, just not sure yet. Thanks for the clarification!!!
kmom Posted February 17, 2011 Report Posted February 17, 2011 Our Dr. said the best way to absorb Glutathione is to get the IV push injection. 2nd best is thru a nebulizer but it stinks so most kids aren't going to be happy w/ that. We opted for transdermal cream which too stinks! I think it's best to put it on while they are sleeping. Supposedly the oral gluthiathione doesn't survive well enough during digestion so my doc told us not to take orally. We haven't been good about using the cream Just feel like there's so much stuff to do that it gets forgotten.
justinekno Posted February 18, 2011 Report Posted February 18, 2011 I had this conversation with our LLMD and until recently he agreed that oral was the most direct way. However he has come across Glutathione in a capsule by Essental Pro, which are formulated in a way so that they are absorbed better. I know there is a more scientific way to describe their reason for effectiveness but my brain is tired and I cannot remember right now.We have seen positive things since starting the capsules and when we ran out this weekend, we saw regression so I'm pretty sure it's the Glutathione that is helping. On 2/17/2011 at 10:05 PM, kmom said: Our Dr. said the best way to absorb Glutathione is to get the IV push injection. 2nd best is thru a nebulizer but it stinks so most kids aren't going to be happy w/ that. We opted for transdermal cream which too stinks! I think it's best to put it on while they are sleeping. Supposedly the oral gluthiathione doesn't survive well enough during digestion so my doc told us not to take orally. We haven't been good about using the cream Just feel like there's so much stuff to do that it gets forgotten.
kmom Posted February 18, 2011 Report Posted February 18, 2011 Ohh, that's good to know! Thanks! On 2/18/2011 at 12:04 AM, justinekno said: I had this conversation with our LLMD and until recently he agreed that oral was the most direct way. However he has come across Glutathione in a capsule by Essental Pro, which are formulated in a way so that they are absorbed better. I know there is a more scientific way to describe their reason for effectiveness but my brain is tired and I cannot remember right now.We have seen positive things since starting the capsules and when we ran out this weekend, we saw regression so I'm pretty sure it's the Glutathione that is helping. On 2/17/2011 at 10:05 PM, kmom said: Our Dr. said the best way to absorb Glutathione is to get the IV push injection. 2nd best is thru a nebulizer but it stinks so most kids aren't going to be happy w/ that. We opted for transdermal cream which too stinks! I think it's best to put it on while they are sleeping. Supposedly the oral gluthiathione doesn't survive well enough during digestion so my doc told us not to take orally. We haven't been good about using the cream Just feel like there's so much stuff to do that it gets forgotten.
Fixit Posted February 18, 2011 Report Posted February 18, 2011 So is anyone here dealing with tics... i will sell my house...which it feels like it is getting close, to heal this family... Does anyone see glutithione help in the tic area.... we have done Nac..with no ill effects..i think..to help with some trich...but nac can increase yeast/feed, create candida and we are having some gut isssues... HOw much does the this stuff cost for the liposomal or the rub...
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