Yeast helping tics and OCD

[Claire]

Chemar posted this on another thread. Thanks Chemar! This is very compelling for newcomers, so I am reposting it here so that it doesn't get buried. The regulars here have our stories and most are in alignment, but newcomers might believe a 'doctor's' case study more. I have never seen one published before.

 

http://www.nutritioninstitute.com/Tourette...s_Syndrome.html

Yeast and Tourette's Syndrome [but note the comments on OCD too]

 

I still think Heather's point about the yeast/heavy metal combination needing to be treated together works.

 

I keep thinking that my son's symptoms are better without wheat in part because he doesn't get much yeast without wheat. Note the reference to chocolate...and I know I just bought my son something with barley, but I don't remember if it had malt. He used to drink malt Ovaltine daily, but hasn't for months.

 

"The worst offenders are alcoholic beverages and non-alcoholic beer, vinegar, barley malt, chocolate, pickles, and aged cheese."

 

And we all know that in general sugar makes yeast problems worse--I have first hand experience there.

 

I am definitely ordering the book on yeast, which I kept putting off. Today! What I need to find out is if Threelac is bad if you don't have yeast. I would like to try it for myself, but wonder if I should be tested first.

 

Claire

 

ps. Are cheddar and mozerrella (sp) cheeses considered aged?

[Claire]

Speaking of yeast... I accidentally left my son's probiotics out of the fridge overnight. Does anyone know if it is best to replace them now?

 

Also, my son is finally able to swallow pills. (I guess he hated the smoothie new taste enough to learn). But the calcium pills are just too big. Does anyone know if emptying the calcium into pancake batter is an issue? They are pretty tasteless, but I didn't know if the vitamin was sensitive to heat, like some of the others.

 

Thanks,

Claire

[Jennifer]

Claire,

 

Unless the "room temp" is very warm you are probably o.k. That is an interesting article about yeast and tics/ocd. We did a CDSA on our son, but I have read that yeast can perforate the digestive tract and leak out...I think I'm going to ask the doctor for a blood test to rule that out even if the stool test comes back negative.

 

Jennifer

[Claire]

Jennifer,

 

Thanks Jennifer. My son's stool test was negative for yeast, but the urine test was positive....

 

Gloria

[Chemar]

one of the insiduous things about candida is that it can thrive in so many of the body's organ systems.....as long as it has food, moisture and warmth....it grows!

Even newborns can have it suddenly flare up as thrush in their mouths!!

And of course the genital variety is the most common one.

 

It may well be that your son didnt have the intestinal yeast Claire....but that it was growing in his urinary tract instead.

That was why our naturopath insisted on Blood Tests for Candida as he felt that was the only surefire way to ascertain it's presence.

 

In that excellent book "The Yeast Syndrome" by John trowbridge and Morton Walker, they claim that a large majority of our known illnesses can be attributed to yeast somewhere in our bodies.

 

I even know of some alcoholics who were able to quit drinking by eliminating the yeast that was causing them to crave the alcohol!!

[Guest Guest_Heather]

Yes, I have read so much about yeast causing many ailments as well. When I first started researching all of this, I ordered the book (The Power to Heal) by Dr. Semen. The excerpt on the thread above on Claire's post was taken from this book. When I ordered it I actually spoke to him on the phone and he said that he has treated many different disorders (arthritis, fibromyalga, etc.) by doing a yeast elimination diet and using the prescription nystatin to kill yeast.

 

Claire, not too sure about the probiotic thing being left out overnight.

 

Heather

[Claire]

Chemar,

 

I had never heard of yeast in the urine! Certainly vaginal yeast, and in the intestinal tract. Is it treated the same?

 

I think yeast is a problem for me also. I do well on Atkins, then get a little foggier and sleepier when I am not on it and eating a lot of carbs and sweets. I am slim, but just feel better with low carb.

 

Claire

[Phyl]

I think that the urine test (at least the Great Plains microbial organic acid panel) is reporting metabolites from yeast, as opposed to actual yeast in the urine. I don't have much of a biology background, but from our doctor, I understood that the yeast was in the digestive track, but the metabolite is what shows up in the urine.

 

definition of metabolite: organic compound that is a starting material in, an intermediate in, or an end product of metabolism. (from the Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition. 20001)

 

Claire, like your son, my son's stool test was negative for yeast, but his urine test showed an overgrowth. It also showed an overgrowth of clostridia (from the urine test). I wonder if the urine metabolite test is just more sensitive....

[Claire]

Hi Phil,

 

You are right, now that I remember the wording on the urine test. Maybe our children's yeast levels are just lower--so maybe that is a good sign.

 

How has your son been doing lately?

 

Claire

[Chemar]

According to my references (I just went and checked again) it is possible for candida, which is generally found in the digestive tract, to infect other organ systems, especially in immuno-compromised individuals, or those who have been exposed to antibiotics.

 

quoting-

Once the candida migrates past the gastrointestinal tract it can flourish in other major organs like the lungs, kidney, heart and brain,

 

In other situations is can also grow in the skin, eyes, genital area, and mouth

[Phyl]

Thank you Chemar. My son was exposed to antibiotics (for ear infections) when he was little. Wherever the yeast is/was located, I'm grateful that doctors and labs can tell when it's there.

 

Claire, my son has been doing quite well recently (knock on wood!) He rarely has any tics, but the last time we did a microbial organic acid test (January, I think), to check, he still had elevated metabolites from yeast overgrowth. The levels were much much lower, though, than they used to be before we started treating it. He is now taking a heavy dose of nystatin for 5 months - then we'll test again. Thanks for asking.

[Guest Guest_efgh]

Thanks Ronnas for your valuable information on your supplement protocol. Thanks for sharing such good information.

The B complex that I give my son says Vitamin C 250 mg. I don't know if its Ascorbic acid or Ester C. Are there any possible negative effects from Ascorbic acid (Vitamin C).

Others, Can you please tell me if your vitamin C contains Ester C or ascorbic acid?

Claire,

Which probiotics are you giving your son for yeast? Since I am planning to do the CDSA test from Great Smokies for my son this week, do you feel that its authentic and reliable for yeast test? I am a bit concerned on the reliability of the result after you and Phyl started discussing about the stool test showing no yeast whereas the urine test showing up "positive".

Phyl, did you too give your son daily probioitics for his yeast elimination- which brand and dosage? I remember you mentioning that you gave homeo drops for yeast but was wondering which probiotic you gave him on a daily basis?

Really glad to know that your son is doing very well now. Do you give him supplements now? How about dairy and malt?

[Phyl]

We did use a probiotic called Culturelle http://www.culturelle.com/ for several years. It was recommended by our doctor and also by the laboratory. I think was supposed to help squeeze out the clostridia overgrowth that showed up in my son's lab results. (maybe the yeast, too). He took one twice/day. However, neither the clostridia or the yeast overgrowth seemed to get reduced by the Culturelle, as evidenced by further lab tests. The only thing that seemed to help were the homeopathic drops (though now, as I mentioned before, he's taking nystatin to hopefully finish the job). I still think Culturelle is an excellent product, as our doctor recommends it and I will sometimes still give it if any one here has an upset stomach or needs an antibiotic. Culturelle is available in some drug stores around here or you can call the company.

 

My son could not tolerate dairy for a long while. If he had any, his ears would redden and he'd get vocal tics. After the clostridia overgrowth cleared away and also most of his yeast overgrowth also disappeared, as evidenced by lab reports at the end of last summer, he tried dairy again. Guess what? No problems now for him having dairy. He also kept away from chocolate, preservatives, sodium nitrate and food coloring as these all seemed to affect his tics before. Now, he seems to tolerate a bit of chocolate with no problem. He still stays away from the sodium nitrate and from food coloring.

 

I thought it was very interesting about the malt. My son rarely has any now. But just before any of his tics ever started, I was giving him milk with ovaltine, just to get some calcium in him. He didn't like it, but he had it to please me. Now I wonder if that was increasing whatever yeast he had, until it reached a level that resulted in his issues beginning.

 

I give him a very low dose of Bonnie's supplements and also fish oil every day. It seems fine for him now. (I used to give him more of Bonnie's supplements, but now it seems he no longer needs so much).

[Guest Guest_efgh]

Phyl, thanks for the details. Did your son get more tics due to Television before? How about now? does he have no tics even while watching TV? My son's tics are pretty ok as of now, but the moment he watches a movie on the computer or television he starts getting vocal tics. BUT when he plays games on the computer he does NOT tic... All these "ifs" and "buts" are driving me crazy...

thanks.

[Jennifer]

When trying to eliminate yeast the die off reactions can be quite ugly. I recently read that carbon can help counteract the toxins being released by the dying yeast.

Carbon is a very potent toxin absorber.

 

 

Jennifer