Hyperactive Immune System and neuro disease

[Chemar]

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/114878.php

 

altho the article discusses neurodegenerative disorders like PD, yet is there some clue here into susceptibility to this hyperimmune condition?

 

could all those childhood vaccines possibly be triggering this in kids whose immune systems are still in developmental stage naturally.

could the genetic link be why some kids seem to be ok after the vaccines, yet we are seeing this modern day "explosion" in neuro and immune illness related disorders in kids....possibly the genetically predisposed ones

 

also thinking back on Kim's many posts re cytokines as well as my own observance on stress triggers

 

so many puzzle pieces huh

[ilovedogs]

Chemar,

I have been hyperfocusing on researching all of this. I found this article to be enlightening, yet scary! I see the rate of increased Alzheimer's and wonder where our future generations will be if this keeps up. The toxicity of our world combined with genetics and other factors is leading me to be concerned for the health of 'immunized' nations!

So many pieces of the puzzle...yep, that's about right!

Our naturopath was fascinated when ds tested sensitive to all the vaccinations he had received. I wasn't surprised at all. I just wish I had known back then what I know now! She was also confused when I told her that 5-HTP made ds more anxious and OCD-like and that the theanine made him tic more. It just goes to show that we are all individual when it comes to our genetic makeup and our balance of brain chemicals. Making it even harder for us to fit those puzzle pieces together.

B

[kim]

This article raises many questions in my mind one being, what of people who don't excrete aluminum as well as others. Does activating this type of response possibly train a developing immune system to respond differently than one that hasn't been exposed to alum? Can anyone believe that they are just getting around to looking at this.

http://www3.niaid.nih.gov/news/newsrelease...lum_vaccine.htm

 

Although alum has been used to boost the immune responses to vaccines for decades, no one has known how it works.

 

 

Another study (which I haven't seen splashed all over the news).

 

http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~c...ll~jumptype=rss

 

The odds of receiving EIS were approximately nine times as great for vaccinated boys (n = 46) as for unvaccinated boys (n = 7), after adjustment for confounders. This study found statistically significant evidence to suggest that boys in United States who were vaccinated with the triple series Hepatitis B vaccine, during the time period in which vaccines were manufactured with thimerosal, were more susceptible to developmental disability than were unvaccinated boys.

[guy123]

This article raises many questions in my mind one being, what of people who don't excrete aluminum as well as others.

 

I've heard of deodorant/anti-perspirants causing Alzheimer's, (altho I never really put any faith into it because I mostly just heard it from hippies who didn't wear deodorant anyway, lol).

 

Could be.

[Caryn]

Great info everyone.

 

I have always felt that our son's vaccines were the catalyst. When we had him metals tested, though, he was not toxic in anything save copper. I did read a study a while back that showed folks with tics routinely developed a wax on 4 weeks after an exposure to a virus or other immune stressor (Strep, Vaccines). Our son had noticeable ticcing 6 weeks after his vaxs, but he did start with a sniffing tic that was not recognized as a tic at first, probably 4 weeks later..... I can't say for sure.

 

Yeah. There is a correlation. Environment, vaccines, genetics.....

When nearly 10% of all kids end up with autism you've got to wonder if scientists will figure out the cause and finally hit the brakes.

 

I opted not to vaccinate no 3. He is now almost 3 and by FAR the healthiest of the bunch. He has also been on dxd boy's diet for the last 2 years (not exclusively, but he eats what I cook). He hardly gets a rash, sniffle, ear infection, cold, etc.... I nursed him, but I nursed all three of them so I don't put much weight into that as far as being 'preventative medicine'. He gets dirty, forgets to wash his hands. I've caught him eating off of the floor. He used to suck a pacifier-- so the germs are plentiful and available. He just doesn't get sick like the other two did. I have even taken him overseas three times on a plane.... in winter even.

 

I'm not 100% against vaccines. I have not decided 100% to never vaccinate. But when you have a kid that enters the dreaded 10% club it really makes you pause, doesn't it?

[colleenrn]

guy123-

I had a chemistry professor in college who was srtudying the effects of alum, especially in deoderants. He told our class that IF we knew what he knew, we would never use "regular" deoderant again. You can get it without alum, like in Tom's of Maine deoderant.

Colleen

[Caryn]

Yeah,

I heard that regular deodorant can cause breast cancer.

Over the last 6 months I have used Jason's and Tom's of Maine. IMO you need to keep the deodorant in your purse. LOL. It may be safer but you have to keep applying it to get the same kind of protection.

I will still use the toxic stuff if we are going out-- ie: a wedding, etc.....

I just wouldn't trust Tom's in a job interview if you know what I mean!

[Chemar]

I cannot use regular deodorant at all! I get a rash and large swollen lumps under my arms from it

 

Our whole family use the Jason deodorant which is paraben and aluminum free, tho it still has propylene glycol in which I have yet to find one without

 

I find it pretty effective (I use the lavender) and they also do apricot, tea tree and aloe vera ( i get ours cheapest at iherb)

[guy123]

I don't really need the "deodorant" part of it, but I definitely need the antiperspirant. Do they make those without aluminum?

 

Despite being really skinny, I sweat a lot, especially after I eat a lot, because of my fast metabolism. Rather than packing on weight like normal people, my metabolism just increases and burns through whatever food I eat, generating heat (lol that rhymed).

 

At points I've even been on prescription anti-perspirant (which didn't really help so I stopped using it). In the summers I just stuff my armpits with paper towels folded over a few times (so that it's 8 layers thick) and change them every few hours. This is in addition to strong OTC deodorants (Degree, Mitchum, Certain Dri).

 

I'm quite odd... if I don't eat "enough," I will be absolutely freezing. But when I eat a lot, I don't need a jacket when I go outside in the winter. I'm like a reptile, except I regulate by body temperature by eating

 

edit - before anyone asks, I've had plenty of thyroid tests. All normal.

[kim]

Well, I guess the good news would be, if we ever arrange a get together, noone will know who it is with the BO! I was joking in a PM with a member about my husband throwing me over for someone who wears lipstick (lead) drinks tap water and uses a cell phone. I now could probably add no curvature of the spine from excessive laptop use too!

 

A neighbor who was diagnosed with breast cancer was told by her oncologist that the alum in deo contributing to BC was an internet rumor. A few Pub med articles didn't really reassure me a lot. Cheri, about that reaction.....I used to get a rough patch above my eye, when I was younger and used eyeshadow with sparkles. I recently read that those sparkles are alum. I suppose they probably use other material too, but the alum was interesting. I had a bracelet in about 6th grade that said Jesus Christ on it. I would get a horrible rash from it if I wore it too much. I always assemed it was nickle that I was reacting too, but you have to wonder.

 

I don't know about the breast cancer involvement, but look at the language in this study (thinking of this being injected in infants). bolding mine

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1604599...ogdbfrom=pubmed

 

Aluminium, antiperspirants and breast cancer.

 

1: J Inorg Biochem. 2005 Sep;99(9):1912-9. Links

Aluminium, antiperspirants and breast cancer.Darbre PD.

Division of Cell and Molecular Biology, School of Animal and Microbial Sciences, The University of Reading, P.O. Box 228, Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 6AJ, UK. p.d.darbre@reading.ac.uk

 

Aluminium salts are used as the active antiperspirant agent in underarm cosmetics, but the effects of widespread, long term and increasing use remain unknown, especially in relation to the breast, which is a local area of application. Clinical studies showing a disproportionately high incidence of breast cancer in the upper outer quadrant of the breast together with reports of genomic instability in outer quadrants of the breast provide supporting evidence for a role for locally applied cosmetic chemicals in the development of breast cancer. Aluminium is known to have a genotoxic profile, capable of causing both DNA alterations and epigenetic effects, and this would be consistent with a potential role in breast cancer if such effects occurred in breast cells. Oestrogen is a well established influence in breast cancer and its action, dependent on intracellular receptors which function as ligand-activated zinc finger transcription factors, suggests one possible point of interference from aluminium. Results reported here demonstrate that aluminium in the form of aluminium chloride or aluminium chlorhydrate can interfere with the function of oestrogen receptors of MCF7 human breast cancer cells both in terms of ligand binding and in terms of oestrogen-regulated reporter gene expression. This adds aluminium to the increasing list of metals capable of interfering with oestrogen action and termed metalloestrogens. Further studies are now needed to identify the molecular basis of this action, the longer term effects of aluminium exposure and whether aluminium can cause aberrations to other signalling pathways in breast cells. Given the wide exposure of the human population to antiperspirants, it will be important to establish dermal absorption in the local area of the breast and whether long term low level absorption could play a role in the increasing incidence of breast cancer.

 

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1882942...ogdbfrom=pubmed

 

[The use of deodorants/antiperspirants does not constitute a risk factor for breast cancer]

[kim]

Hey guy,

 

I ran across this and thought the "Anticholinergic" part interesting.

 

http://www.eliminatesweating.com/hyperhidr..._treatment.html

 

hyperhidrosis

 

Anticholinergic Medications

 

Anticholinergic medications aim to suppress the cholinergic stimulation of the eccrine sweat glands by the sympathetic nerve trunks to eliminate or reduce excessive sweating. Anticholinergic agents such as such as propantheline bromide, glycopyrrolate, oxybutynin and benztropine may be effective in treating hyperhidrosis. However, they can cause significant adverse effects, which include blurry vision, dry mouth and dry eyes, thus limiting their usefulness.