Accidental success with Pepcid...High histamine? Methylation?

[fightingmom]

So, I am watching a lecture by Amy Yasko. She started discussing the viruses involved in the MMR vaccine. My son and I do not have antibodies to this vaccine, even though we've both had it multiple times. Remember how we were just discussing how some chronic lyme patients, or those that have had strep for a long time may not show antibodies any more? Maybe the body just accepts it there and stops building antibodies to it? Maybe the viruses or bacteria mimic other cells and hide there? Who knows, but it's not uncommon for this to happen. So, I have wondered in my head if maybe, since the MMR vaccine is made with live viruses...maybe these viruses are still active in us and wreaking havoc? Who knows...but I have wondered.

 

With that said, she starts talking about how Measles may affect the gut, Mumps may affect hormones the and Rubella may affect the pancreas. If this is accurate, measles and mumps are retroviruses and can insert into the DNA, and rubella isn't, BUT can behave like one IF it's together with measles and mumps. If Rubella impacts the pancreas (which they are inferring that is does) it can cause a decrease in gaba, secretin, vitamin k and gastrin.Furthermore, a decrease in vitamin k can cause an increase in HISTAMINE and a decrease in gastrin can cause an INCREASE IN STOMACH ACID.

 

I just thought that was very interesting association...

 

 

yes, i've been noticing vit k keeps coming up..trying to get more in kids..there is one chewable for younger ds that list vit k on label....natures plus gold.

has xylitol, k2, d3 ans some probiotics in it.

 

Yep, seeing a lot of vitamin k coming up myself. My son is pretty deficient in vitamin d, which I know a lot of people are especially in the north east, but his number was 11 or 17, I'd have to look again. Either way, pretty low. SO....low, long winded way of getting to my point which is that it's pretty cool you found a vitamin with both. I'll look into that next. I went out in a hurry and picked up d3 already. I think I'm going to make it a regular thing for all of us, so it should go quickly.

[Fixit]

ds12 has horrible allergies.

we have mentioned that lack of and uptake of vit k contributes to high histamines

since ds was 3 he has had FREQUENT abx use and a total lack of probiotics till he was 9. shame on the drs and shame on me for not figuring it out.

now they are saying if you take abx you should take probiotics for 3 months after.

and now with all the activa commericials we realize is is part of standard health.

 

well it did seemed to me that his allergies got worse over the years.

 

Vitamin K deficiency is very rare. It occurs when the body can't properly absorb the vitamin from the intestinal tract. Vitamin K deficiency can also occur after long-term treatment with antibiotics.

 

http://health.nytimes.com/health/guides/nutrition/vitamin-k/overview.html

 

but i think it should be low dose as it is usually used for clotting blood and may be contrary to use of steroids and ibuprofren.

 

i did find a supp that was food based and i might split that pill in half for ds12. i have gone back to single supplements for him.

 

i wonder if that is why people who take things like juice plus say their allergies go away, because they are getting more sources of plant based vit k????????

[chezscoville]

From what I understand, if you have high histamine (due to MTHFR) you need to completely avoid folic acid/synthetic B vitamins and supplement with methylfolate and methylcobalamin. Also, there are two different vitamin K's to consider. Vitamin K1 comes from vegetables, vitamin K2 is derived from bacteria in the gut and animal fat.

Vitamin K2 deficiency has been implicated as a cause of autism.

[Missmom]

So I am confused, are you saying that folic acid and Pepcid would compliment each other or that they would counteract each other. I can't imagine that taking both of these supplements together would do any harm, but if I am wrong please let me know.