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airbucket, Well, I came up with a little info to get us started on getting familiar with the labcorp test, lol. Porphyrins lab corp test # (CLIA-certified, Test#120980) http://www.mercury-freedrugs.org/docs/LabC...nformation1.pdf http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?d...;indexed=google Message to Boyd Haley http://www.mercurypoisoned.com/news/urine_...hyrin_test.html http://www.mercury-freedrugs.org/ Boyd Haely questions and answers http://onibasu.com/archives/am/186321.html http://toxsci.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/61/2/234.pdf I almost posted (in the wee hours of the morning) that "rescue angels" were the little people who flew around my familyroom, and asked if others don't see them? But, I thought of those who just stop by occasionally, and thought better of it. Sometimes I have to lightening myself up, and allow my devilishness out for a moment. Anyway, Rescue Angels are a network of people who volunteer to help other parents with education regarding biomedical treatments, mainly in regards to autism. The Mom and Dad that I was speaking of, frequently host people from other countries, who bring their children here for recovery. The "mom" is the moderator of a website that I read often.

I have wondered recently if I should have my youngest son tested for H pylori. I always thought, yeast or digestive problems, low stomach acid etc. Since starting supplements, his stomach aches are much less frequent. I have seen the abdominal tic before, but it was brief. I ran across the H pylori info, looking for something else. What struck me about it, was how they said that the stomach aches went away abruptly with food or liquids. I remember, the first part of the school year, last year, his teacher would call home and apologize for it. She said "he's just not faking this." I knew that, but I guess she didn't know how long we had been dealing with those stomach aches. The funny thing was, he could be lying on his bed, crying, holding his stomach, one minute and perfectly fine 5 minutes later. I did give him water, or a small piece of a tums, or whatever I could think of, at the time. Can H pylori resolve without antibiotics? Would digestive enzymes make a difference as it seems his stomach is better than it was? Itsme, do you think gooey means nausious or do you think your son is feeling that internal tickle? I wanted to post this article, guess it's relevant here http://www.newsday.com/news/health/wire/sn...0,2093006.story

I love this conversation. I've had it with myself many times. Wouldn't surprise me, if many cases of unusual movements were reclassified as metabolic syndrome, or immune system dysregulation, in the future. This was the subject of one of my all night investigations once. Basically, what I came up with, was TS is most useful as a "clinical diagnosis." It allows researchers to classify cases according to symptoms (both motor and vocal tics although not necessarily occuring at the same time, for a period of 1 year). It describes symptoms, it says nothing about cause. Heveritt, something just occured to me, you said your son showed symptoms both times the baby had impetigo. Impetigo can be caused by strep or staph. I wonder if staph is causing the relapse of symptoms. Strep titers would not be high, if staph was the culprit, I wouldn't think. Anyone else have any thoughts on that?

October 5, 2007 For immediate release and distribution Vaccine Autoimmune Project Publication When 1 in 150 is really 1 in 67 By Raymond W. Gallup and F. Edward Yazbak, MD, FAAP Since February 2007, news outlets have widely publicized the fact that recently released figures by the CDC have estimated the prevalence of autism and autistic spectral disorders at a NEW high of 1 in 150. In this report, VAP's co-founder Ray Gallup and Dr. Yazbak examine the most recent United States Department of Education statistics and reveal that the 1 in 150 estimate is outdated by five years. They report that the present prevalence of ASD may be as high as 1 in 67. We at the Vaccine Autoimmune Project are saddened and concerned to see the latest Department of Education figures. We are also concerned about what is to come. It is evident that, 1) our medical authorities are more interested in defending vaccination programs than controlling autism, the most devastating and real epidemic we have faced in a hundred years, and 2) our wealthiest and largest autism association is giving little attention to the role of vaccines and vaccine additives and preservatives. http://www.vaproject.org/yazbak/1-in-150-i...67-20071005.htm Raymond Gallup highnoon@gti. net F. Edward Yazbak , MD , FAAP tlautstudy@aol. com Vaccine Autoimmune Project (VAP) http://www.vaprojec t.org Barbara Labrecque Butch Labrecque Ray Gallup © VAProject 2007 ************************************************************* News Alert: Common Childhood Vaccination Promotes New Superbugs A new superbug -- resistant to all currently available drugs -- is on the rise, causing severe ear infections in young children. http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles...-superbugs.aspx - - - - Doctors in Denial About Vaccine Reactions? Will your doctors really tell you the truth about vaccinations? Are they even capable? http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles...-reactions.aspx According to a patient survey published in “Drug Safety,” doctors frequently ignored or dismissed patients’ complaints about side effects of statin drugs. This study offers strong suggestion that this pattern of dismissal extend to other drugs, including vaccinations, as well. This pattern highlights the problem of the severe under-reporting of adverse drug reactions, leading both doctors and patients to believe that drugs are far safer than they really are. In reality, as many as 90 to 99 percent of all serious side effects are never reported, and therefore never included in the equation. Adverse side effects following vaccinations should be reported to the federal Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). However, like all other adverse event reporting, it is still voluntary. It is estimated that fewer than 10 percent of adverse events after vaccinations are ever reported to VAERS, perhaps even as low as one to four percent. Most doctors will simply deny the possibility that a vaccine has harmed a healthy patient, and when the vaccine is mandatory, their denial can run even deeper. Most frequently, in the case of mandated vaccines, the strategy used is to highlight the seriousness of the disease, while denying the potential complications from the vaccine itself. Meningococcal disease and the Menactra vaccine is one such case in point. Meningococcal disease is a serious bacterial inflammation of the covering of your brain and spinal cord that can lead to brain damage, loss of limbs, and death. It is, however, a very rare disease, affecting between 1,400 to 2,800 American adults and children each year. There are 13 meningococcal organism subgroups, and five serotypes (A, B, C, Y, and W-135) are responsible for nearly all cases of the disease worldwide. In the United States, serotypes B, C, and Y cause the majority of cases. Sanofi licensed the Menactra vaccine in 2005, and the CDC immediately recommended it for universal use in all 11- to 18-year olds. Menactra protects against serotypes A, C, Y, and W-135, but not B, which causes one-third of all cases in the U.S. and more than 50 percent of the cases in young infants. Therefore, Menactra actually offers zero protection against meningococcal disease 30 to 50 percent of the time, depending on your age. Many adverse effects were found during Sanofi’s clinical trials, and two deaths have been reported to VAERS since its release. Within its first year, five cases of Guillain Barre Syndrome (GBS) were also reported to VAERS, which prompted the FDA to issue a warning for parents and doctors to monitor for signs of GBS after administrating the vaccine. By October 2006, 15 cases of GBS had been reported. With the current push for the HPV (Gardasil) vaccine, it should also be noted that adverse event reports in cases where Gardasil and Menactra were administered simultaneously have skyrocketed. When Gardasil was administered at the same time as Menactra, reports of: * Guillain Barre Syndrome increased by 1,000 percent * Respiratory problems increased by 114 percent * Cardiac problems increased by 118 percent * Neuromuscular and coordination problems increased by 234 percent * Convulsions and nervous system problems increased by 301 percent [following are linked on url above] Vaccine Awakening September 13, 2007 National Vaccine Information Center August 14, 2007 (Free Full Text PDF Report: Human Papilloma Virus Vaccine Safety: Analysis of Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System Reports) American Journal of Public Health 1995; 85:1706-9 (Free Full Text Report: The Reporting Sensitivities of Two Passive Surveillance Systems for Vaccine Adverse Events) Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health (Free Full Text Report: VAERS: Usefulness and Limitations) MedWatch October, 1996 (Free Full Text Report: The Clinical Impact of Adverse Event Reporting) * The material in this post is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes.For more information go to: http://www4. law.cornell. edu/uscode/ 17/107.html http://oregon. uoregon.edu/ ~csundt/document s.htm If you wish to use copyrighted material from this email for purposes that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner.

Michele, You may want to try a sublingual B12, instead of a capsule. The kind that melts under your tongue is supposed to be more absorbable. B12 has a reputation for increasing yeast on the autism bds. You may want to watch for any symptoms of increased problems in that dept. Some say sublingual methyl b12, and some say a mix is better (methylcobalimin, cynocobalimin, etc) to start with, before switching to methyl b12. Again, without a recommendation from your Dr., just watch for your son's reaction. If he doesn't do well, with what you bought, you will be able to report this to your DAN. I wanted to ask you, does your son have any numbness in his feet, ankles, lower extremities, that you are aware of?

Way to go airbucket! Can you elaborate on what you said to your Dr? Was he aware of this test? I know Claire had the french test, that is supposed to be quite comparable. I'm not sure of what the differences are. I will pull up that thread, when I have a little more time. There is also a family that does "rescue angle" work. I'm pretty sure, I can get a little info. from them on helping to understand results, although, I do think, currently, more parents have info. on the french test. Hopefully, it will give you a straight forward high, med, low, range. I think that it covers other metals too, but not sure if it's spelled out, or if it takes deciphering. I sure will help in any way I can! Since this is a test that insurance will cover, it could be helpful to many PLUS we know there is no possible harm to our kids, since it involves no chelating agents. I'm not against a challenge test necessarily, just would want a very experienced Dr. and we don't have any near, that I can find. What type of Dr. ordered the test? edit....I just went back to your post, and saw it was a Ped. DOUBLE WAY TO GO!!!! Just getting him to order that test was quite an accomplishment. I'm wondering if they will collect urine, in the afternoon/evening though? I'm pretty sure the french porphyrin test is first morning urine, and needs to be kept in the dark. Maybe the tests are not the same. Hopefully, it will provide something useful though! You may want to call the lab first. They might just send you home with a urine collection kit. If that's the case, your son would probably not even have to go, unless your having other tests at the same time. Odds are, the people at the lab will have to read through collection instructions too. Watch this! I found horrible confusion about food IgG testing through a standard lab like that. They were NOT at all familiar with the test, coding etc. Make sure the test is done properly.

Amy1, In addition to diet, you may want to look in this direction too. http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/79071.php Study Suggests High-Dose Fish Oil May Significantly Improve Behavior In Children With ADHD Main Category: Nutrition / Diet News Article Date: 08 Aug 2007 - 0:00 PDT The results of a pilot study published in the Nutrition Journal (http://www.nutritionj.com) suggest that children with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) can benefit from daily supplementation of high levels of purified fish oils. The eight-week study demonstrated that children who consumed between 8 and 16 grams per day of EPA and DHA (the long chain omega-3 fatty acids found in fish oil) showed significant improvements in their behavior rated by both their parents and the psychiatrist working with them. By getting rid of junk in the diet, you may be already lowereing levels of Arachidonic acid (AA). So many snack foods contain vegetable oils, and this is a main source of AA (aniimal fats also). If you reduce the amt. of AA with diet, maybe it wouldn't need to to take as much EPA/DHA to see an effect. Note for PANDAS parents....by lowering the ratio of AA to EPA, you are trying to reduce inflammation

Ok guys...just remember I have NO MEDICAL BACKGROUND, but these are just a few thoughts in regards to some questions being asked. If I had a child with elevated titers, and clear cut evidence of abrupt symptoms, I would not hesitate to use what ever antibiotic that appeared to relieve symptoms. The injury/inflammation that may be occuring in the basal ganglia, would be my main concern, hands down. I would also consider low dose daily antibiotics to "keep the strep away," if possible. In fact my youngest son, was put on 1 tsp of amox. for a period of time. This was before I knew anything about PANDAS/tics etc. I think something that caused me to look a little deeper into this thou, is the fact that my youngest son, who was also said to be a carrier and had numerous active infections , also had pneumoniae twice. He completed numerous rounds of amox, only to retest positive and be given another round of a different antibiotic. He also had low zinc, and with his limited diet, probably had other vitamin and mineral deficiencies. From a Dr.s standpoint, I think it's important to know a little about S pneumoniae. This is a bacteria that is found in many people. It doesn't necessairly cause disease, but can be transmitted to others, where it may. At any time, we can all carry bacteria, that doesn't hurt us, but when certain conditions all come together (stress, poor diet, other illness, disrupted flora,any number of things) it can invade and cause illness. There have been some studies that relate to antibiotic use and carriage and invasion of S pneumonia. Here is an article that may help explain. I know it's technical, but I think there are some interesting things that almost anyone can pick out. http://textbookofbacteriology.net/S.pneumoniae.html S. pneumoniae has a natural transformation system as a mechanism for genetic exchange. This process is of medical significance because it clearly underlies the explosion of antibiotic resistance in the bacterium over the past 20 years. For example, penicillin resistance is due to altered penicillin-binding proteins (PBPs) which exhibit a low affinity for beta lactam antibiotics. Comparison of the nucleotide sequences encoding the PBPs in S. pneumoniae and S. mitis demonstrates that horizontal gene transfer has occurred between these two bacteria. In the laborotory, S. pneumoniae can also be transformed with genes from related and unrelated bacteria. As well, in the upper respiratory tract of the host, horizontal exchanges of genetic information could take place between strains of pneumococci that co-habitate or compete for dominance as normal flora. Streptococcus pneumoniae is a normal inhabitant of the human upper respiratory tract. The bacterium can cause pneumonia, usually of the lobar type, paranasal sinusitis and otitis media, or meningitis which is usually secondary to one of the former infections. Streptococcus pneumoniae is currently the leading cause of invasive bacterial disease in children and the elderly. This abstract (I had the full article, but it was lost when my computer had to be replaced) talks about which antibiotics cause the most problems with resistance of S pneumoniae. Zithromax was one of the worst. I think this is part of the reason that Dr.s are hesitant to prescribe antibiotics other than amox, pen V, etc, which may be a good thing to start with. I think they are always in a position of trying to stay ahead of disease with new antibiotics. BUT over prescribing, and stopping in the middle of a course, can create major problems too. http://www.pidj.com/pt/re/pidj/abstract.00...#33;8091!-1 If I remember right, the article that was lost, explained that the antibiotics like zithromax were killing off other bacteria in the nasal passage, that normally keep s pneumoniae in check. When this bacteria died off, due to the antibiotic use, the S. pneumoniae, would overpopulate and fill the void. This is one reason that I would avoid antibiotics, unless I was certain that the potential benefit, was worth it.

Heidi, Many of these articles are shared by someone on another group. I enjoy reading them too (enjoy is a bad choice of words, let's say, I find them helpful), and like to pass them on. Thanks for letting me know you find them useful too These are a couple more doozies. What a grand idea. Manipulation of data (where have I heard of that before?) and human waste on crop fields! http://www.enewscourier.com/local/local_story_279203932.html “Sewage sludge is a toxic end product resulting from sewage treatment,” she said. “For those of us that understand sludge to be toxic, this is an environmental and public health disaster. Second article hmmmm, very puzzleing, why on earth would they...... (bolding mine....I hope John Kattwinkel has a plan B for future employment if he keeps going around making statements like that) http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/loca...5717275,00.html excerpts: In fact, we are getting further away from solving the mystery of sudden infant death syndrome because of sloppy procedures, manipulation of statistics, misguided efforts to protect the feelings of grieving parents and deliberate attempts to make SIDS go away, at least on paper. and Coroners and medical examiners said SIDS was responsible for nearly 80 percent of all sudden infant deaths 15 years ago and only 55 percent in 2004. What increased during this time were diagnoses CDC statisticians labeled as "threats to breathing" and "other ill-defined causes ofmortality." Some researchers think this "code-shifting" of infant death causes has overstated the success of public health efforts against SIDS. The diagnosis of SIDS has been replaced on death certificates by new and vague terms like "undetermined cause" and "sudden and unexplained death." Code-shifting clouds hope "A lot of us are concerned that the rate (of SIDS) isn't decreasing significantly, but that a lot of it is just code-shifting, " said John Kattwinkel, chairman of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's special task force on SIDS. "We don't know where the best place is to put our emphasis on further reducing the risk of SIDS. It is still a very high killer of babies." The danger is that medical researchers can't trust the causes listed on infants' death certificates, clouding hopes for a solution to the mystery of SIDS.

Faith, Personally, I would not give the antibiotic if your sons culture comes back negative and you have no evidence of high titers. I If strep bacteria were present, the augmenten would be killing the strep, so the antibodies that your sons own body would be producing, would actually "settle down." That is presumably why PANDAS children improve on an antibiotic. The Augmenten will not stimulate antibody production. The reason they say not to stop an antibiotic until you have completed the full course, is because the strep/bacteria is fighting to survive. If you stop the antibiotic in mid course the infection may relaspe stronger than it was when you started. It may also be a bit more resistant, to the antibiotic if restarted. I'm sure not trying to sound like a know-it-all here Faith, I'm sure one of the nurses on our site could explain it better, but I thought I would try in case no one else responded quickly enough to help, with opinions. You also have to keep in mind, the effect of the antibiotic on the good bacteria in the body. The augmenten will kill good bacteria too. This is where the probiotics come in. You have to help repopulate the gut with good bacteria, sometimes, because the antibiotic has killed off beneficial bacteria too. I was looking for a pub med study the other nite (got off on another track....as I do so often) but I couldn't find it. It's posted here somewhere. It reported an increase in tics for children with colds. They said that the association wasn't reported by adults with colds. I thought that was interesting when I read it, quite a while ago.

Cheri, Any participation on your part, can only be a huge help. An eloquent, "Cheri posts" would be just what the Dr. ordered, pun intended! Faith, did you notice that little url under the article, that you were supposed to copy into the area where you registered? Maybe you left that out? When you visit that site again, you should see a box, where you can post. Does that come up now? I have been pursuing this, with posting to a few other groups. I had to stay away from this topic for a few days, to focus on some family events, but plan to resume this week! I did leave a post on the Generation Rescue site http://www.rescuepost.com/rescue_post/2007...-.html#comments. Haven't sent one to David Kirby yet, but plan to, if the address Carolyn provided still works. Just a sidenote, the Montel show is asking for stories of recovered children, due to Jenny McCarthy's recent appearances. One group posted an address, asking for parents with recovered children (we are talking autism...not TS, for anyone new to this thread) to send an email to The View, to back up Jenny's claims of recovery. Since I have those two address, I may attempt an email there too. I will post those address's here, in case anyone else is interested.

Are these two more situations where numerous people may be injured. The injury may show up 10 20 or even 30 years later. By that time, in the case of cell phones, maybe there will no no land lines left, hence, no "control group." Then it can just be chalked up to another genetic mystery, and billions spent on "research." EPA approves new pesticide despite scientists' concerns Chemists say methyl bromide [sic? methyl iodide?], a neurotoxin that can mutate DNA, has 'serious potential for accidents,' but federal officials say safeguards in place are sufficient to protect farm workers and By Marla Cone Los Angeles Times Staff Writer October 6, 2007 http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/c...0,3454295.story Despite the protests of more than 50 scientists, including five Nobel laureates in chemistry, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency on Fridaapproved use of a new, highly toxic fumigant, mainly for strawberry fields. The new pesticide, methyl iodide, is designed for growers, mainly in California and Florida, who need to replace methyl bromide, which has been banned under an international treaty because it damages the Earth's ozone layer. Public health: The hidden menace of mobile phones Research into the link between regular handset use and disease reveals the risks rise significantly after 10 years, despite official assurances that they are safe. Geoffrey Lean reports Published: 07 October 2007 http://news.independent.co.uk/health/article3036005.ece excerpts He said he uses a mobile phone as little as possible, and urges others to use hands-free equipment and make only short calls, reserving longer ones for landlines. He also said that mobiles should not be given to children, whose thinner skulls and developing nervous systems make them particularly vulnerable. and The danger may be even greater than the new study suggests for, as Professor Mild says, 10 years is the "minimum" period needed by cancers to develop. As they normally take much longer, very many more would be likely to strike long-term users after 15, 20 or 30 years – which leads some to fear that an epidemic of the disease could develop in the coming decades, particularly among today's young people. and Both sides agree that there is need for more research. Professor Mild said a possible link between mobile phones and Alzheimer's disease should also be examined, since "we have indications that it might be a problem" as well as a possible link with Parkinson's disease, "which can't be ruled out".

Carolyn, What a wonderful resource, for parents who are keeping chelation options in mind. I'm wondering if you ever went to the 4 hour dosing on the DMSA? I know there is a certain chemist, who doesn't like to be quoted, that has a very firm opinion on the necessity of every 4 hours, to avoid redistribution. I will be very interested to see what your results show, if you go to oral DMSA too.

I thought it might be worth bringing this thread up again, since it seems we have a lot of newer people here. Ran across this new study, as I was serching Pub Med, for a study that showed an increase in tics with colds, for Faith, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?D...Pubmed_RVDocSum Am J Ind Med. 2007 Oct 4; [Epub ahead of print] Behavioral effects of subchronic inorganic manganese exposure in rats. Manganese, an essential micronutrient, is a potential neurotoxicant in prolonged overexposure. Parkinson-like syndrome, motor deficit, disturbed psychomotor development are typical signs of neuropathological alterations due to Mn in humans. and Using complex methodology, new data were obtained regarding the relationship between the long-term effects of MnCl(2) at neuronal and behavioral level. Am. J. Ind. Med. © 2007 Wiley-Liss, Inc. Interesting that they mention parkinsons. My understanding.......Parkinson's is the result of the death of neurons involved in dopamine production. It occurs to me, in all of my "research" that the body is always compensating for things that go wrong. Say, an infant is exposed to high levels of manganese in soy, some neurons are destroyed. If it was a presynaptic neuron, the post synaptic neuron may form more receptors, to compensate for the lack of dopamine that is crossing the gap. Could you end up with super sensitive dopamine receptors?

Reading thur the PANDAS threads, something keeps occuring to me. I have read, that antibodies are too big to cross the blood brain barrier, in most cases. I don't know if I have mentioned this before, but I have a particular interest in the role vaccines may play in this whole TS picture I have read in different places, that infection and aluminum (and other heavy metals) are capable of comprimising the BBB. I ran across this, last night, as I was pondering this. I thought some of you may be interested in reading it. I know Ronnas has mentioned, removing caesen helped her son. I think Alison has done some diet restrictions, too? I thought this article, helped to lay out some associations nicely. Hope there is something helpful here, to someone. http://www.immuno-sci-lab.com/2003_cat_page105.htm http://student.biology.arizona.edu/ad/glossary.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood-brain_barrier

Looks like we have two posts on the Kirby site...... Please take a moment and post!!!!! It's a start http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/...s-_b_66007.html Even if you don't think vaccines played any part in your childs condition, research into this area can only help

double post ...opps

from previous page ? __________________________________________________________________________________ I'm feeling like Handley, I want to jump up and down on my couch, reading this too. Here is another email address that may be interested in some of our stories, regarding vaccines and tic syndromes From: Generation Rescue [mailto:info@generationresc ue.org] Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 9:11 AM To: Generation Rescue Subject: Jenny McCarthy Missile Sinks USS Gerberding http://www.rescuepost.com/rescue_post/2007...-.html#comments Through Jenny's courage, standing on the shoulders of the giants who came before her, a national debate has emerged that is already forcing major change. Pediatricians are being bombarded by nervous parents not wanting to push their children into autism. Discussion groups focused on biomedical intervention, websites sharing biomedical intervention information, and DAN! Doctors are experiencing unprecedented traffic.

I just wanted to add, that some parents have shared with me, that it is not a good idea to sound any "alarm bells" when requesting copies of medical files. Some have found that important information has been removed, prior to getting copies. This wouldn't pertain to a vax record, but it is your right, to request copies of the entire file, regarding your childs medical care. That is what I was referring to in the last post. I tried to get my boys, from their former Pediatrician. I told them we were swithing to a family practice physician. They said they would sent it to the new Dr. and get this "most of them only want their immunization records anyway." I guess that is the only thing in their medical history that's really important???? I said, no, I would like the entire file. They said if I wanted to pick it up, instead of having them send it, it would be a $40.00 charge. I asked, why? She said, I might lose it, and then they would have to make more copies. Do you get the feeling, they really don't want us in those files?

Shared by a poster thru PM, this morning http://www.autismtoday.com/articles/Bush%2...%20Vaccines.asp and . Here is a study that is referred to in this article. Ethyl mercury is what is contained in the vaccines. Methyl mercury is what is found in fish and air (coal burning enery plants etc.) There have been questions regarding how long they are retained, and what damage may occur, in people who are able to excrete normally http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlere...i?artid=1280369 Environews Science Selections Thimerosal and Animal Brains: New Data for Assessing Human Ethylmercury Risk

I think you would probably like to read this now too. These are some statements that were made at Simpsonwood. There is just no credibility left, when these "studies" are done. Notice the way they kept talking about transparency in the article Faith posted? It's laughable, what they are trying to do there. They made it IMPOSSIBLE for independent researcher to get at studies that were used. They talked about how the thimerosal studies should have never been done in the first place. They talked about how to make the #'s of association less significant....... Read this; http://www.safeminds.org/legislation/foia/...od_Overview.pdf this maybe some of the same info, but there are also explanations about the statements that may help you understand what they are talking about, on this site. http://www.putchildrenfirst.org/chapter2.html This statetment from first link about alum is very frightening too ...bolding mine Dr. Weil: Page 24: “One, up until this last discussion we have been talking about chronic exposure. I think it’s clear to me anyway that we are talking about a problem that is probably more related to bolus acute exposures, and we also need to know that the migration problems and some of the other developmental problems in the central nervous system go on for quite a period after birth. But from all of the other studies of toxic substances, the earlier you work with the central nervous system, the more likely you are to run into a sensitive period for one of these effects, so that moving from one month or one day of birth to six months of birth changes enormously the potential for toxicity. There are just a host of neurodevelopmental data that would suggest that we’ve got a serious problem. The earlier we go, the more serious the problem. The second point I could make is that in relationship to aluminum, being a nephrologist for a long time, the potential for aluminum and central nervous system toxicity was established by dialysis data. To think there isn’t some possible problem here is unreal.”

I wanted to tell you all, that it does not appear that my oldest son, who was jaundiced, was vaccinated with the birth dose of Hep B. I requested and paid for copies from the hospital of their birth records. My oldest was born in 1992. It seems that some Dr.s did not immediately follow all of the required vaccines, according to the recommended time of administration, as soon as they were added to the to the schedule. The other possibility is that the Pediatrician was not for vaccinating a jaundiced baby. I believe some of the Peds have had their doubts/concerns, about some of these vaccines too. sick a lot...yes Both boys were ill frequently. Lots of strep for both, ear infections for oldest, body aches every morning for oldest (prior to starting supplements), both had enlarged (I mean big) lymph nodes in their necks.

One more thing, I would not say anything, when requesting a copy. Just say that you need it for your own files, or for school or whatever. You do not really want to go in having a fit about mercury poisioning! I can explain a little more about that later.

from Faiths post on another thread I have to be brief here Faith, so I will try to point out a few things quickly. Vaccines that contain "live virus/bacteria" NEVER contained thimerosal. These would include polio, MMR, varicella (chicken pox) The vaccines that your are primarily going to be looking at are Hep B, Hib and DTP or DPaT. Also, you need to consider flu shots while pregnant and Rhogam. As to your question about different amts. contained in individual doses, yes that can happen. Thimerosal was/is used to keep the multidose vials of vaccines, free of contaminents as the needle was inserted for withdrawl. If your child received a dose from a multidose vial, that had not been shaken well (equally distributing the mercury, it would be possible to get more (or less) than what is reported. To the best of my knowledge, you are more than likely going to find 25mcgs. in the multidose vials (in the times frames we have been discussing ) in Hib and 25 mcgs in DTP/DtaP. I believe the Hep B multidose contained 12.5. It is a REQUIREMENT for the lot #,and manufacturer to be listed on the vax record. Mine are not all there. However, it does not appear to me, that there was a thimerosal free Hep B vax available when my sons got it. My oldest son got Hib and DTP exposing him to 50 mcgs in one appt. 3 times. He received the Hep B series later than my youngest son, who got the birth dose, and another 1 month later. My youngest got a combo DTP/Hib however, which reduced his exposure by 25 mcgs, but added 12.5 from the Hep B. Have I thoughly confused you yet? The most accurate way to check all of this, is get a copy of vax. records and start researching. I can probably help save you a little time with some links to help.

Post showed up on Kirby site. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/...s-_b_66007.html Please, anyone with any interest, just post. You can say, you had no idea, describe symptoms, say you are investigating vax records, anything! Just show them that we are out there, and should be counted amongst the increasing #'s or have credible evidence to the contrary. Show them there is interest in this research on a correlation btwn thimerosal/mercury (period!) and tics disorders!