Detox/die off reactions – to Heather

[Guest Jean]

Hi Heather,

 

You had mentioned the “die off” reactions that your children had during the treatment. I was wondering if you could share more details. If you don’t mind, I would like to ask the following questions:

 

1). How soon after (your children had the supplemental or Threelac, etc.) that the reactions showed off? Did your children take any remedies?

 

2). What are the reactions (or symptoms)? Specific to tics, were they the same set of tics or new tics? How bad were they?

 

3). How long did they last before your children became better?

 

Sorry for many questions. I’m also quite nervous about the reactions. My son had pretty bad eye rolling at dinner time today. He hasn’t had it for a while. Although it only showed off about 3 times, it was bad. It made me feel that he couldn’t roll his eye balls back to the normal position. The naturopath warned me that he might experience some worsen period. I’m not sure if it’s just coincident as he had PE today (and computer lab yesterday!). Usually, when he is tired, he'll show mild tics. Thanks in advance for your info!

[Guest Guest_efgh]

Jean

 

Have you started Threelac for your son? Other than the fish oil, what are the other supplements he is on ?? Did the doctor give you the supplements based on some tests??

 

Claire

 

I have an appointment with the acam , www.acam.org doctor on March 1. lets see how it goes.

[Guest Guest_efgh]

Claire

 

You mentioned you intend to give probiotics and omega 3 for your son now since they are not for detoxing.. what are the detox supplements then?

 

thanks.

[Chemar]

Just wanted to mention that when my son was detoxing and in the yeast die off phase, we had regular accupunture/biofeedback done simultaneously as our therapist was able to specifically target this and help speed it up by correctly placed needles and biofeedback frequency.

 

The Metagenics UltraClear formula was also beneficial at that time, plus lots of PURE water (reverse osmosis purified)

[Guest Jean]

Chemar,

 

Thanks for the info.! I will mention them to our naturopath.

 

Efgh,

 

Our naturopath has not started any supplements or Threelac at this stage, as she wants to wait for the test results. She mentioned that the remedy might make the current symptoms worse initially (if it’s a right remedy for the body). So I consider that the remedy has the detoxify effect. I’m not sure about the fish oil. She asked my son to start from 1 teaspoon a day and gradually increases it to 1 tablespoon a day. This makes me wonder if the fish oil also has the detoxify effect to the body. I am interested in hearing from everyone’s opinion on fish oil. Thanks!

[Guest Guest_Heather]

Jean,

 

Don't worry about asking too many questions. I am happy to share and am off work right now (thankfully) so have plenty of time. I wish I had known about this forum when I was going through the detox as it definitely helps to share experiences and hear what others are having success with.

 

Anyway, I started the Threelac in mid November and started with a very small dose (only a pinch of powder). That is the key to avoid too many detox symptoms. The only remedy we used to handle the detox was drinking lots of water (reverse osmosis or distilled water). This was tough since my son is not a big water drinker. Oh, also epsom salt baths to help eliminate the toxins through the skin. His symptoms worsened within a couple of hours after taking the threelac. He would tic more and his face would get red and rashy. His tic at the time was a snort so thankfully it wasn't something that hurt him, he would just snort louder and more. He was snorting every 3 seconds and his whole body would heave. He didn't show any other tics at the time. Other than a bit of diarrhea when we started, he didn't have any other die off symptoms. When he got out of the epsom salt bath he would have rash on his butt and face sometimes. I believe that he was full of yeast and this was its way out. After about a week I started to increase the amount of threelac and gradually the die off was lessening. By Christmas the snorting was almost gone but he had started a motor tic where he touched his face and scratched his head. It was like he was pushing his face and wiping his mouth over and over. His OCD also disappeared during this time.

 

When we went to the Naturopath after Xmas and she had the hair analysis, she started him on the NDF drops. Again, she said there would be detox with the metals and to start with 1 drop and ramp up. I read much literature on this product and it kept saying no healing crisis was necessary as long as you start slow and drink lots of water. His tics are minimal right now and the face touching is almost gone but I am still at 2 drops. I notice that if I start to ramp up too fast the tics worsen so I talked to my naturopath and she said stay at 2 drops for a month if needed. She has known people to stay at 1 drop for a month. The sicker he is, the more reaction he will have and the more gradual it should be.

 

I am certainly not an expert with all of this and am still seeking answers for many things but from what I have learned from my naturopath and from what I have read, the whole process of what my son experieced is exactly as is expected to happen. After what he has been through, even though I am so eager to have these tics gone, I am going as slow as possible to avoid any more die off. My naturopath is confident they will go away completely and although I have to be realistic they may not, I do have faith in this whole protocol.

 

Hope I didn't ramble on too long and I hope that helped.

 

Heather

[Guest Guest_Heather]

Also, during this time I was always trying to figure out triggers. Many of you are so good at determining what was setting off the the tics. Since my sons tics were pretty constant I could never determine triggers. I asked my naturopath if there was any way to know if he was showing an allergic reaction to something or if it was just part of the die off cycle and she said not really since he probably would experience the same reaction with both. So I gave up trying to figure out food or environmental triggers and just focused on the supplements.

[Guest Guest_Heather]

One more thing. At the beginning of this my husband was the biggest skeptic of this whole process. Although he allowed me to do this (since we didn't have other options), we had many arguments in the beginning about what was happening. I had to stand firm and continue with the whole thing since one other woman had said to me, "if you can persevere through the die off, things will get better". Now my husband is not only allowing me to do this, but is checking with me before he gives my son anything and has changed his whole opinion about the alternative approaches.

[Guest Guest_efgh]

Heather

 

Thanks for sharing your experience. Really nice of you.

 

What is reverse osmosis water? Is tap water (if assured to be pure) not considered distilled or reverse osmosis water? (I know you mentioned kingsway coral calcium water)..

 

Also, epsom salt bath - is it just magnesium sulphate or does it contain other minerals also? How frequently you used to give it to your son? Heard lots of other minerals other than magnesium sulphate for bath is good for detoxification.

 

thanks

[Chemar]

efgh

I dont believe any tap water can be guaranteed to be pure. You can buy water testing kits and I think you will find it has all sorts of "stuff" in it, especially chlorine(ugh ) It is not generally recommended that humans consume distilled water.

 

We have a reverse osmosis system installed under our kitchen sink and so it automatically purifies that water along with the supply that runs to the refrigerator so we have pure cold water and ice too.

 

The only bottled water that is reverse osmosis that I know of here (in Florida at least) is AQUAFINA (made by Pepsi of all companies!!)

Most other "purified" water is simply filtered and UV treated.

[Guest Guest_Heather]

EFGH,

 

I agree with Chemars comments above. The reverse osmosis water that we use is the DASANI brand in Canada. That is the only one bottled in our area. We are having the reverse osmosis filter installed in our home right now. I didn't realize that the distilled water was not recommended for human consumption. The NDF product that I am using as well as the Coral Calcium literature says to use either reverse osmosis or distilled. Do you know why the distilled is not recommended Chemar?

 

Thanks, Heather

[Guest Guest_efgh]

Heather

 

Here is an article talking about "why NO to distilled water" from dr mercola.

 

http://www.mercola.com/article/water/disti...led_water_2.htm

 

Chemar and Heather

 

How about Evian bottled water?

[Claire]

Heather/Chemar

 

Why reverse osmosis, which I understand takes 5 units of water to make 1 unit of drinkable water? In our old house we used Ametek filters, which was a 2 filter set--it tasted great and didn't use so much water.

 

Is there something superior about reverse osmosis? They just started adding choromide or something to our great water here at our newer home, so I am using a table top filter and was going to have one installed again.

 

Thanks,

Claire

[Guest Guest_efgh]

Chemar

 

How about Brita filters? So, do you use only PURE water from your home reverse osmosis system? Heard Brita filters are good too but also heard that it may remove some important minerals from the water during filtration. your inputs on this please....

 

Also heard that Evian water is really good from purity perspective. Any idea on this?

 

A very old fashioned approach - How about boiling the tap water for a long time and then using it after cooling the same??

 

thanks.

[Guest Guest_Heather]

To be honest, I haven't done a whole lot of research about water so don't have a lot to add here. I use the revere osmosis just because everywhere I read it recommends reverse osmosis water and it was what was recommended for the filter for the house. We are building a house right now and I was going to have it installed but didn't realize that it required so much water to make a small amount of drinkable. Thanks for the tip Claire. I am going to do some more research on this before we go ahead with it.

 

EFGH,

 

Thanks for the Mercola article. I wasn't aware of concerns with distilled water either.

 

 

We drink coral calcium water regularily so any minerals that are taken out in making the water pure are abundant in the coral calcium sachets we add to it.