Betty04 Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 Has anyone used magnesium oil or this DermaMag product? http://www.magnesiumdirect.com/zechsteinseabed.aspx Not sure if this is different that Kirkmans Magnesium cream or making magnesium cream from epsom salts? Just wondering as my son is on daily azythromycin and looking to increase his magnesium without interfering with the absorption of his antibiotic. Thanks!
Chemar Posted January 22, 2009 Report Posted January 22, 2009 I havent heard of that before but it is magnesium CHLORIDE *not* magnesium sulfate which is what is in epsom salts and creams personally I would not go near this, based on the frequency of reports of chlorine being a tic trigger! Chlorides just tend to make me nervous also that price is very HIGH!! considering that a large carton of epsom salts is under $3 at Target and it is really easy to make the cream yourself dissolve about 1/2 cup of epsom salts in as little hot water as possible and then mix with 1 cup of a pure cream or ointment. you can even blend it with olive oil or coconut oil
Betty04 Posted January 23, 2009 Author Report Posted January 23, 2009 I havent heard of that before but it is magnesium CHLORIDE *not* magnesium sulfate which is what is in epsom salts and creams personally I would not go near this, based on the frequency of reports of chlorine being a tic trigger! also that price is very HIGH!! considering that a large carton of epsom salts is under $3 at Target and it is really easy to make the cream yourself dissolve about 1/2 cup of epsom salts in as little hot water as possible and then mix with 1 cup of a pure cream or ointment. you can even blend it with olive oil or coconut oil Thanks Chemar! You saved me an expensive and horrific mistake since my son starts to tic when he enters a pool with chlorine! Just curious, whether you make the cream with epsom salts or do an epsom salt bath, do you balance it out with calcium supplements. And if so, how do you know how much magnesium was absorbed to give double the calcium? Thanks again for your help!
Chemar Posted January 23, 2009 Report Posted January 23, 2009 you are welcome I know chlorine as in pools, bleach etc is very different from that compounded in food eg sodium chloride=salt but still, we keep my son's intake of all things chlorided as low as possible. he does tic more when eating very salted food soooooo my son has a pretty high calcium intake in his diet and his daily multi-shake, and so we are not all that rigid anymore on the ratio as he seems to be fine as it is. I think the only time one really has to be very diligent on that is when the calcium intake is very low. the transdermal magnesium via the baths and creams also has a more systemic route of action so again not a concern to have to worry about balancing the calcium as long as the dietary/supplement source is sufficient for the child's weight/age
Betty04 Posted January 23, 2009 Author Report Posted January 23, 2009 you are welcome I know chlorine as in pools, bleach etc is very different from that compounded in food eg sodium chloride=salt but still, we keep my son's intake of all things chlorided as low as possible. he does tic more when eating very salted food soooooo my son has a pretty high calcium intake in his diet and his daily multi-shake, and so we are not all that rigid anymore on the ratio as he seems to be fine as it is. I think the only time one really has to be very diligent on that is when the calcium intake is very low. the transdermal magnesium via the baths and creams also has a more systemic route of action so again not a concern to have to worry about balancing the calcium as long as the dietary/supplement source is sufficient for the child's weight/age Thanks for the advice!
NJDADDY Posted January 28, 2009 Report Posted January 28, 2009 I havent heard of that before but it is magnesium CHLORIDE *not* magnesium sulfate which is what is in epsom salts and creams personally I would not go near this, based on the frequency of reports of chlorine being a tic trigger! also that price is very HIGH!! considering that a large carton of epsom salts is under $3 at Target and it is really easy to make the cream yourself dissolve about 1/2 cup of epsom salts in as little hot water as possible and then mix with 1 cup of a pure cream or ointment. you can even blend it with olive oil or coconut oil That's great advice Chemar. My question is, how much magnesium (in miligrams) would that kind of cream make? And, how much would you apply and what kind of pure cream could one use? Thanks in advance.
Chemar Posted January 28, 2009 Report Posted January 28, 2009 it depends on the strength of your epsom salts to start with and then you would extrapolate as to what 1/2 cup contains. I must say I havent attempted to calculate the exact concentration...all I care about is that it works! it is your choice on the cream. just be sure it has no added color and substances that are known to be icky chemicals (eg those parabens, sodium benzoate etc.) I get a tub of aloe vera gel cream made at my health store and mix mine in that now, but you really can use any cream or oil of your choice...you just have to be certain to dissolve the epsom in as little water as will do the job and then blend it very well into the cream
Healthwise Posted February 18, 2009 Report Posted February 18, 2009 I use DermaMag and it works wonders. It truly is one of the best health products available today. Magnesium oil does not cause Tics. As a matter of fact, it reduces them. As published in the landmark book "The Magnesium Miracle" by doctor Carolyn Dean, MD, magnesium relaxes muscles and removes muscle spasms, such as Tics. DermaMag is a revolutionary new magnesium which is applied to the skin like skin lotion and absorbs right in. It gets absorbed at a MUCH higher level than oral pills or powders. It also does not cause digestive issues or diarrhea that plague oral magnesium supplements.
Healthwise Posted February 18, 2009 Report Posted February 18, 2009 One more comment about DermaMag and magnesium chloride. One of the people posting a comment in this thread said that they wouldn't "go near" magnesium chloride because chlorine causes health problems. Of course, magnesium chloride has nothing to do with chlorine. Chloride a the type of magnesium molecule. In similar fashion, Sodium chloride, or common table salt, is a chloride molecule, but also has nothing to do with chlorine. Chlorine may cause Tics, but magnesium chloride, a perfectly safe, very healthy supplement, most certainly does not. Thanks.
Chemar Posted February 19, 2009 Report Posted February 19, 2009 I am sorry but I respectfully disagree the definition of chloride is "any compound containing a chlorine atom" just because it is in a compound does not make it have "nothing to do with chlorine" it is derived from chlorine therefore has plenty to do with it! also, if you had read anything on this forum besides this thread you would see that Magnesium itself is recognized as being a primary tic reducer, so no one is disputing that the discussion here was on magnesium chloride NOT magnesium per se the links you left on your other post were commercial and we prefer people not use this forum to try to sell products thanks
andreafrazer Posted February 19, 2009 Report Posted February 19, 2009 I am sorry but I respectfully disagree the definition of chloride is "any compound containing a chlorine atom" just because it is in a compound does not make it have "nothing to do with chlorine" it is derived from chlorine therefore has plenty to do with it! also, if you had read anything on this forum besides this thread you would see that Magnesium itself is recognized as being a primary tic reducer, so no one is disputing that the discussion here was on magnesium chloride NOT magnesium per se the links you left on your other post were commercial and we prefer people not use this forum to try to sell products thanks I've been reading everything lately and it's all been so helpful. As to the magnesium, my son won't take his Natural Calm anymore. Do you think Epsom salt baths and cream will adequately give him the magnesium he needs? Thank you.
Chemar Posted February 19, 2009 Report Posted February 19, 2009 Hi Andrea the Epsom baths and creams help a lot in providing transdermal magnesium but he would likely still need a bit more than that yields, considering he has Tourette does he get any magnesium from a multi? Maybe try the mag taurate or other mag supplement. Even tho mag oxide is very poorly absorbed, yet its better to get some in that way than none at all. Also increasing the magnesium rich food in diet can help too http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/food/magnesium-foods.htm
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