Amino Acid Help

[itsme]

Our son got his test results for amino acids and he is low on several of them. The Environmental Dr. and the lab recommend he takes a comprehensive formula of:

 

Tryptophan

Arginine

Histidine

Isoleucine

Leucine

Lysine

Methionine

Pheylalanine

Threonine

Valine

Pyridoxal-5-phosphate

Alpha-ketoglutarate

 

His Taurine is off the charts at 16,300. The norm is between 200 and 1000. So we were told to stop Bontech supps. Not sure that's such a great idea. But we will cut dosage in half and see what happens.

 

I read on several posts to watch out for the amino acids as they can increase tics. However, if he is pretty unbalanced, it seems difficult to tell the Dr. that you don't want to take them. I think we have a good Dr (a pioneer in the field of environmental medicine - been doing it for 30 yrs. and 10 yrs. traditional Dr. prior to that) and he really does want to balance our child and strengthen him. ?? However, I am quite unsure about the amino's, especially because our son has been doing so well for the past week.

[faith]

Hi mr. itsme

 

If you feel he's doing pretty well right now, you could just hold off for a while. (or try it and monitor closely) I know what you mean about following doctors orders, but I think we all have to use our own intuition and common sense. Like, our naturo gave us the fish oil, and after giving it a couple weeks, I was feeling or imagining that he was ticcing more, so I stopped it. When I told the doctor my feeling next visit, she felt we should keep on since that was supposed to be good for him, but I just said okay, and went home and still did not give it. I felt things were going okay and wasn't going to take chances. And I did the same when I was feeling suspicious of the b vits she gave us. I wound up stopping a week or so and then gave 1/2 the amount she said to give. Things were much better so I stayed with that. I mentioned if it was okay and she was fine with that, as long as he was getting some.

 

how is all going so far?

 

Faith

[Irena]

Hi Itsme,

 

My son's amino acid test results were almost identical with yours: deficiency in all the essential amino acids which come from food and our body does not produce itself and a very high level of taurine.

 

As for taurine I switched from magnesium taurate (about 5000mg of taurate to get 500 mg of magnesium from magnesium taurate) to other form of magnesium (citrate) + one 500mg capsule daily of taurate. I didn't give up taurate. I decided that it was too important.

 

As for the amino acids he tested low I practically don't give them to my son (except for 250 mg tryptophan each morning). Why? Like your son, my son is doing pretty well, too. I don't have money to have the amino acids custom made (I would have to order them from the US - I'm in Poland). And they would mean so many more pills and he already takes loads of them.

 

As all the deficient amino acids are the ones you need to obtain from food I decided I needed to focus on improving his absorption. I give him enzymes before almost each meal. And we treat his gut and fight candida to improve uptake of nutrients from food. (His beta-alanine level was very high and they suggested it was due to yeast overgrowth).

[kim]

Itsme,

 

I would really suggest that you read here

 

http://www.ch3nutrigenomics.com/phpBB2/welcome.html

 

This is the sign in page for Dr. Amy Yasko's discussion group.

 

When you get to the first page, near the bottom, there is a topic line called

 

Testing/Amino, essentials, OAT

 

High levels of taurine are discussed by Dr, Amy in the first post on that thread.

 

She is referring to a specific genetic problem in this post (CBS up regulation C699T)

 

She basically says, if dealing with CBS up regulation the amount of cysteine will help to

determine whether we make glutathione or taurine. CBS C699T will be creating higher

levels of cysteine (due to enhanced breakdown of homocysteine) so we will

almost always be generating taurine rather than glutathione.

 

I don't have any idea, if this particular post would apply to your son or not, but I think you will find a lot of discussion on high taurine levels there.

 

If you have a hard time navigating the forum, just do a search (web). Type in taurine or high taurine and Yasko, and you will generate quite a few posts.

 

Hope you will post here, anything that you find helpful, if you decide to visit the site!

[kim]

Irena/Itsme,

 

In addition to above post, I wanted to ask you both a question that could help me figure out something about my youngest son's food choices. Have either of your Dr.s said anything about high ammonia levels? Have they said anything about a low protein diet being helpful?

[itsme]

Irena/Itsme,

 

In addition to above post, I wanted to ask you both a question that could help me figure out something about my youngest son's food choices. Have either of your Dr.s said anything about high ammonia levels? Have they said anything about a low protein diet being helpful?

 

 

Hi Kim. Our son's blood test revealed that he has an above normal count of ammonia. Our Dr. has given us a rotation diet, based on our son's test results & compiled by Doctor's Data Inc. The diet specifies the amount of fiber, protein, carbs, spices, omega's & fruit.

 

His results are wonderful. We have started an organic liquid vitamin, Natural Calm, EM, Extra & Calcium. He is responding to the food change amazingly well & his personality IS ALIVE!!!!! His ticks are moderate & the intensity of them is down. He just caught a cold & he is doing very well considering this extra burden on his body.

 

Food is huge with TS. Having a balanced diet - staying away from food sensitivities & supplimenting seems to work wonders. We have not started the amino acid compound yet, so, we do not have anything to report concerning that.

 

Thank you Kim, Irena & Faith for responding & for the information you provided. We really appreciate it!

 

With kind regards, Pam

[Irena]

Kim,

In Staś' amino acid test they also tested ammonia. It was within range although close to the lower borderline. He never had his ammonia tested from blood.

Well, to be honest I never paid any attention to it. My biochemical knowledge is very limited. And my dr never really discussed the amino acid test results with me. She just assumed I needed to order SOMEWHERE the recommended amino acids.

 

Kim, maybe I should open a new thread for this question but since you're reading this... I know you use enzymes on regular bases in order not to worry too much on "forbidden" food. Which Houston's enzymes do you use? Is it Peptizide? It breaks only proteins (and they say it can be even regarded as an alternative to GF/CF diet). Is that enough? I use Superenzymes by NOWFOODS. Mostly because...they are available in Poland. Please, have a loook at them http://thecatalog.com/2964.html I value your knowledge and I would appreciate your saying what your opinion is. Maybe I'm crazy but I worry about betaine HCL being obtained from molasses. With his yeast overgrtowth (hopefully under control) I don't like things like molasses. But it is just betaine HCL, not molasses itself, isn't it?

 

Thank you for your help.

Irena

[kim]

Irena,

 

Betaine, aka TMG (tri-methyl-glycine) and is an extract from sugar beets. It supplies methyl groups and is further converted to DMG (di-methyl-glycine). After dropping it's methyl groups, it breaks down into DMG and SAMe . I would not be afraid of it promoting yeast problems.

 

Interesting reading on TMG, DMG, and methionine!

 

Something in the NOW enzymes, that I would have to do some research on to feel comfortable with, is the Ox bile. This is a totally uneducated statement, because I don't even know if it's possible for contaminents to be transmitted via a supp. like that, but from vax research, I am leary. Of course eating it, and having it injected are two different things, just something I don't know enough about to be comfortable.

 

I use all 3 of the Houston enzymes... AFP peptizyde, Zymeprime and No fenol. Most consisently with youngest son.

 

Opps, forgot to add, that I only knew of TMG being an extract from sugar beets, I guess molasses too then. These would be sources of natural polysaccharides. As always, you should do a little search, to verify my info! I surely can confuse/forget stuff

 

The HCI is just hydrochloric acid. Either used to increase stomach acid, or as a transport for the TMG? Not sure which.

[Irena]

Thank you, Kim!

 

You're great! I'll try to do some reasearch on my own. Now at least I know WHAT to research.

Thank you again!

 

Tomorrow Staś is coming back from a 5-day school trip. Do you remember how last year you advised me to let him go (you even consulted your son)?. I'm a bit anxious about what state he will be in after 5 days of eating wrong foods. But he was so excited about it. He loves being with his friends and they like him very much, too. So this year I didn't even consider him not going.

[kim]

You are very welcome Irena

 

I'm so happy to hear that Stas is enjoying himself.

 

It's a struggle, with all of the supplements and diet worries, but eventually, (and rather quickly, it seems) they are going to be off making their own choices about what to eat, drink, how many supplement they take etc. I can only imagine how sore my knees are going to be, with all of the praying I'll be doing, once my oldest "baby" is driving. I'm going to have to have a tracking device that alerts me if the car turns into the fast food places.

 

About the Ox bile in my previous post, I sure hope I didn't give others the impression that I thought there was ox bile in vaccines (although, it would be preferrable to mercury or aluminum IMHO). I meant that I have read of transmission of some nasty things that are derived from animals and used in vaccines, thru the years.

The CDC website has a really interesting article on this subject. I just sat here reading, with my mouth hanging open. I guess human diploid cells, bovine serum, chick embryo etc isn't SO different from Ox bile!