Enemy in the Camp

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Hi all,

 

My son now shows up aluminum toxic, and also copper toxicity. His last hair test did not show aluminim toxic??? And where did the copper come from??? Is the zinc doing something to the copper???

His Dr. would like him to try some kind of foot soak, for the aluminum.

 

He also shows significantly impaired sugar and carbohydrate tolerence. Does this have anything to do with TS? I would hate to take away his fruit. He does not eat sugar other then raw honey. I'm hoping that is just a suggestion for dietary reasons. I have a whole host of other ? for you all but will ask later, I need to read it first to understand what I need your help on.

 

Thanks for any help on getting rid of the enemy.

 

C.P.

[kim]

CP

 

Did you do another hair test or was this a different type of test? I'm assuming since you saw significantly impaired sugar and carbohydrate tolerence, you had something other than a hair test?

 

I wonder if you have ever read this regarding the hair testing?

 

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/HOW_TO_hair_test.html

 

You asked if the zinc is doing something to the copper. Supplementing zinc, should lower copper level. Chances are, you will need to up his zinc.

 

Aluminum.....I have come to HATE aluminum!

 

Dr. Amy Yasko mentions malic acid (I think), also found in apples, as being useful for reducing aluminum. She also talks about how strep and other bacteria can latch onto aluminum.

 

You may want to visit that forum too. It might give you some other idea's besides foot pads for lowering alum. levels.

 

Claire, was using foot pads to detox. Maybe she'll be by to comment.

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Kim-I have a question regarding the following info that you posted. Do you know if when Dr. Amy Yasko talks about strep and other bacteria latching onto aluminum if she meant PANDAS? I'm just curious as my doctor wants me to check PANDAS before my next appt. It was checked atleast a year before starting chelation and I did not have elevated levels on the ASO Titer test. Therefore I would not think it would change in 3 years. However, I have wondered if it's possible that bringing the heavy metals out could also bring out a hidden infection. I think it's worth rechecking.

 

Carolyn

 

Dr. Amy Yasko mentions malic acid (I think), also found in apples, as being useful for reducing aluminum. She also talks about how strep and other bacteria can latch onto aluminum.

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Kim,

 

Yes, he had another hair test done by Analytical Labs, Metametrix did the organic acid profiles, and SpectraCell Labs did something I think it was blood. His Dr. said she had never seen such a good Lab report come back on deficiencies, he is only B12 and Mag deficient. She said that was good he must be getting a rainbow of color in his diet. The B12 is suggested at only 100 mg. Regarding TS should this be higher? I was hoping the mag. just has not had enough time to get a good reading since I only started that in Dec.

 

What really confused me is the Organix Comprehensive Profile. There are so many abnormal results that even his DR. has to talk with another DR. to fully understand it herself. She has not gotten back to me yet.

 

Thanks for the info I'll be doing alot of reading today have to find out what Hydroxymethylglutarate, Xanthurenate, Vanilmandalate are... just to name a few. If I wasn't dyslexic already I would be after reading this report.

 

I think I'll give my hot shot speller of a son some of these words to spell, since he is always correcting me.

 

Thanks,

C.P.

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"Thanks for the info I'll be doing alot of reading today have to find out what Hydroxymethylglutarate, Xanthurenate, Vanilmandalate are... just to name a few. If I wasn't dyslexic already I would be after reading this report."

 

The Xanthurenate is an indication that he has a b6 deficiency. Usually this is called xanthurenic acid or XA. But it is a metabolite of tryptophan. This would show up in a urine test.

 

I tried the website metamatrix.com and they have a search feature on the home page (upper right corner) which you can use to see what some of those terms mean or are related to. Of course some of the explanations or search results may not be that easy to understand too, but it may help you understand what these substances relate to.

 

The hydroxymethylglutarate or HMG has something to do with cholesterol according to a search on metamatrix.com. But I do wonder if it is not related to the supplement alpha ketoglutarate which is a carbohydrate in the krebs cycle.

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C.P.

 

I don't think Andy Cutler's link of http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/HOW_TO_hair_test.html works for that lab which your son's hair test was done from. I think it's specifically for hair tests from Doctor's Data Lab.

 

I don't know if you've seen this before, but the Metametrix Lab has an interpretive guide for the Organix Test. Here it is:

http://www.metametrix.com/DirectoryOfServi...nsive-Urine.pdf

 

Carolyn

[kim]

Carolyn,

 

Thanks for the clarification on the hair testing. I didn't understand for quite some time that something that showed low in a hair test, didn't necessarily mean that it wasn't a problem. In the case of CP's son, the fact that aluminum is showing high now, could mean he is excreting better, not that it wasn't a problem before. The Cutler explanation really helped me to understand what that type of test was showing. It will be interesting to read the one you posted from Metametrix, to see if it's a similar or not?

 

About the question you asked, yes, Dr. Yasko refers to PANDAS when she talks about aluminum complicating strep.

 

I'm curious though, why your Dr. would want this test repeated. I have a hard time connecting chelation with an increased chance of a positive ASO level.

 

My understanding is that the ASO and anti-DNase will pick up strep, regardless of chelation status. I'm sure he has a good reason for wanting the test repeated, I'm just curious as to what it is.

 

Have you had any signs of strep infections since the test was done 3 years ago?

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Kim-I'm not for sure why my Dr. wanted to repeat the PANDAS testing. I didn't ask him. I don't know if his reason is because I have tics and he wants to rule it out. However, that doesn't make sense because he knows I've already been tested. Or maybe it's because my ears commonly have fluid in them & my nose is always blocked? I have no idea why he wants to repeat the test.

 

No, I don't think that I've had any signs of strep since the test was done 3 years ago. I haven't had strep for probably 6-7 years. I've had contstant problems with my ears hurting though. However, the pain's been better for the last year. They're just always blocked now.

 

Carolyn

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Thanks Ortho, and Carolyn,

 

Yes, the Dr. said B6 needs to be included in his diet. So we will do B6, B12, and CoQ10.

 

The B6 was not on the list of deficiencies, but it was close. What do you all think should be the starting mg, for B6,and the max. The Dr. is saying B12 should be 100mg that sounds low for TS, am I right?

 

Thanks fot the help.

 

C.P.

[kim]

The Dr. is saying B12 should be 100mg that sounds low for TS, am I right?

 

 

CP, you might like to read the B12 threads at Neurotalk. There is some good info there. Two threads on the first page

 

 

http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/forumdisplay.php?f=49