Mercury now!

[Giselle]

HI everyone! Well hurrah! Hoyt's lead levels are down! But now his mercury is WAY up - the doctor said that happens, it's like the body lets go of one then the other starts to come out - we didn't even know he had any!!!! It explains a lot - we are going to start chelating with DMSA every 11 days. I was horrified when I saw the results and cried all evening - DAMN THEM AND "VACCINES AND AMALGAMS ARE SAFE!!!!" I guess I thought that the only reason he had lead was because of the zinc/copper ratio and once that was put in check he could eliminate it - well that was true but here we go with the mercury which was hiding. Well tears are over and I've rolled up my sleeves for this new challenge. Any advice on what extra nutrients he should take to help with the elimination and keeping his body up and healthy. The DAN doc said Lipoic Acid, and NAC?, glutithione (which he already takes) and of course Nystatin for the yeast that will come. His Enviro. Doc had a different take on why the yeast goes up - DAN doc says its because with the mercury gone the yeast goes rampant because the mercury actually keeps it in check because it kills it. The Enviro. Doc believes that the yeast actually protects the body from the mercury reabsorbing in the intestine - it's ramping up is the response to protect the gut. Interesting - makes me wonder if killing it with the Nystatin is good? Anyway - if anyone could offer advice I'm sure listening.

 

Giselle

[Guest]

Hi Giselle,

 

Sorry to here Hoyt's so high in Mercury. It's good you guys found this out.

 

My DAN doc says no ALA or NAC until your less toxic because it sends mercury to the brain. He waits until all the heavy metals are down very low before he'll add either ALA or NAC in. I've been chelating for over a year and still am not ready for ALA or NAC. I know Andy Cutler does DMSA for three months before adding ALA in, but I feel he adds ALA in way too soon or I'm just a lot more toxic than others using his program. I think its something that is different for each doctor, but I just wanted to let you know about my doctor's opinion on it.

 

I heard on the Autism board at one point that Nystatin is bad because once your on it, most have trouble getting off of it because of the sugar content in it.

 

Carolyn

[Chemar]

Giselle.........I hear ya re the vaccines and amalgams

 

chlorella is a safe way to help with mercury mop up without crossing blood-brain barrier

start at very low dose and gradually move up, otherwise it can cause nausea

[Giselle]

Thank you guys! Carolyn - that totally makes sense. And in regard to the Nystatin, we actually have to have it compounded as he's allergic to the corn syrup, yellow dye, and the artificial flavor in it (gosh, who wouldn't be?) and all we get in the capsules is the actual medicine - luckily he swallows pills like champ. And thank you Cherie, I'll get that right away! It is such a God send to have you all- I try not to bore my best friend and other friends - so wonderful to have folks who know what I'm talking about and care so much!

 

Thanks again,

Giselle

[Inter2002]

There's still curruption greed over the government, giant pharmacutical companies, FDA/FTC/AMA etc.

[Giselle]

Without a doubt but I think the main thing - which ultimately leads to all you just listed it that there is sooooo much STUPIDITY!!!

[kim]

Giselle,

 

If I remember right, Hoyt only had one tetanus vax, probably the TD or one dose of DTap? He had no Hep B birth dose? Did you decline this in the hospital (if he was born in a hospital)?

 

The last two comments on this thread severley weaken my tightly controlled flood gates on the vaccine front. I have this study copied to my documents, It's a PDF, and I can't find it online to post the URL, but I'm still looking.

 

Consider this excerpt from this study:

 

Vaccine 23 (2005) 5450–5456

A CpG-containing oligodeoxynucleotide as an efficient adjuvant

counterbalancing the Th1/Th2 immune response in

diphtheria–tetanus–pertussis vaccine

Toshiyuki Sugai a,*, Masaaki Mori a, Masatoshi Nakazawa b, Motohide Ichino b, Takuya Naruto a,

Naoki Kobayashi a, Yoshinori Kobayashi a, Mutsuhiko Minamib, Shumpei Yokota a

a Department of Pediatrics, Yokohama City University School of Medicine, Yokohama, Japan

b Department of Immunology, Yokohama City University School of Medicine, Yokohama, Japan

Received 25 September 2003; received in revised form 2 September 2004; accepted 7 September 2004

Available online 21 June 2005

 

 

3.4. Antigen-specific IgG1 and IgG2a responses to

orally administered antigen after ODN-containing DPT

vaccine administration

When children are vaccinated with DPT, alum is administered

simultaneously as an adjuvant to enhance the immunogenicity

of the DPT vaccine. However, the antigens that will

be exposed to the adjuvant are not always the expected vaccine

proteins, but foreign antigens circulating in the blood,

such as the proteins absorbed from the gastrointestinal tract.

To investigate the action of an adjuvant upon these proteins,

OVA was administered intragastrically to mice, which

were then given commercially available DPT-alum vaccine

intraperitoneally, and the antibody response toOVAwas studied.

The ratio of IgG1 to IgG2a antibody titer was calculated

to evaluate the Th1/Th2 immune response to administered

vaccine (Fig. 3). This ratio decreased in ODN-treated groups.

The IgG1-to-IgG2a ratio of the DPT-alum treated group was

about five times that of the DPT-alum/ODN group.

These data suggest that DPT vaccine induces a Th2

type immune response with the help of added alum or

PT toxin, but co-administration of ODN with DPT vaccine

counterbalances the Th1/Th2 response to the administered

 

 

Can anyone think of any other antigens that might be circulating at the time the adjuvants (in this case aluminum and pertussis toxiod) are administered?

 

Some vaccines components are grown on caesin. What if there was a STREP antigen circulating at the time an adjuvant or serveral adjuvants were administered (multiple vaccines)?

 

This studies shows where there was a response to antigens when the adjuvant was administered weeks earlier.

 

I only have enough understanding of the immune system (which is different in an infant, than an adults..my understanding) to have a lot of questions, and boy do I have questions!

[Giselle]

Hi Kim, no he actually had a few - we stopped when he was around 18-24 months - I have to look up exactly what, plus I have fillings which didn't help. I'm finally making an appointment to get these out with someone who uses oxygen, dental dams and charcoal/chelation - not cheap and not covered because there is nothing "wrong" with my fillings according to the ADA! Anyway I'm really researching chelation now and am really interested in the MT therapy as well. I have a call into our Enviro Doc about it.

 

Giselle

[kim]

Giselle,

 

In response to your PM....

 

Yes! I am trying not to go off! I got pretty heavy into the whole vaccine thing. Once I read Evidence of Harm, and got started really researching these things, there was just no way not to feel FURY.

 

However, it is a complicated subject, and one that I don't want to be the only one posting a lot about, on a TS forum.

[Giselle]

Kim, you're right. It's not like we can go back! At least for our babies (yes 8 1/2 to 88 1/2 he'll still be my baby ) all we can do now is try to heal them - energy looking back is wasted - you are so wise!

Giselle

[kim]

Thanks Giselle, I only wish I was wise enough to understand everything I read.

 

I don't think there is anything wrong with trying to find the root problem(s) involved here. In fact, we have a huge opportunity with this forum to compare notes, and bounce idea's off of one another. Something that I have learned about studies, is that it takes a LARGE amount of people enrolled, to pick up potential problems, that a smaller study might not pick up on. The funding, and issues that the people doing the studies, are willing to look at, may just be too small.

 

If our kids have a problem with vaccines, or a component, we need to know. If they are sensitive to mercury coal emissions, amalgams (by the way, did you see the new article under "articles" about the safety review of silver fillings being rejected?) flouride, soy formula, we need to know. Why are so many of our kids allergic or sensitive to so many things.

 

In regards to the excerpt from the above study, I know my kids were given vaccines, multiple vaccines, when they were at least mildly ill. Do I remember if they had a strep infection within a month of a vaccine, no. I would say it's a pretty safe bet though.

 

I email the lab that Claire ordered the porphyrin test from on Fri. I'm hoping to have the mercury test soon.

 

I have explained to my youngest son, that he is going to need some more blood work. I need to have his zinc level checked, and I'm going to have the ASO DNASE done too. I have never thought of the boys as PANDAS kids, but who knows. It can't hurt to see if he shows elevated levels.

 

 

If there are any confusing remarks in this post, be sure to ask me to clarify!

 

I have deleted more posts than you can imagine, because I was afraid, I was just going to confuse the hang out of everyone!

[kim]

Giselle

 

I was trying to find this, to include in the last reply.

 

http://www.safeminds.org/legislation/foia/...od_Overview.pdf

 

Where is the up roar in this country? Can anyone read these documents and not question????

 

You are so right about not being able to go back, but we sure as #### can demand truth, and the right to make decisions regarding our kids health without being SNOWED, so some people can get so filthy rich, they couldn't spend it in a life time (HELLLLP ....the flood gates).

 

You should just see the language in the waiver that I'm supposed to sign for our school district, if I claim a religious exception so my son's won't have to get anymore vaccines. I will file MY OWN, not sign the one they hand you. It pretty much makes it sound like you think it's ok to withhold life saving treatments for your kids, and murder others by jeopardizing herd immunity. There is no mention of the fact that certain individuals can be DAMAGED or DIE from their life saving vaccines. Just one sided BULL.

 

Is there a smiley anywhere that shows duct tape over mouth?

[Giselle]

Well, I'm super serious about this MT therapy - it makes so much sense. I have a message into Pfeiffer and will let you know whether they think it will help Hoyt given his seemingly classic Tourettes biochemistry. We just missed an outpatient clinic in our area in September but there is one in Northern California in October that I would run not walk to - much closer than Chicago. I'll let you know what they say - hopefully will hear from them tomorrow or the next day!

Giselle

[Claire]

Giselle,

 

Pfeiffer usually gives cautious feedback about their helping with tic syndromes--Several of us hear contacted them at one point. I will say that I believe most treatments for metal related immune issues are likely to address a similar immune issue for a tic syndrome child. They insist on a serum zinc/copper test with zinc at least 90 (Labcorp does this test...you can get it from www.directlabs.com).

 

After much research, and a year of supplementing zinc before his zinc levels were high enough, my son and I have been doing MT promotion through Pfeiffer since January. Unfortunately, we don't have an apples to apples before/after for my son's mercury. It doesn't seem to have impacted his lead though, bummer. Still, I think it makes a ton of sense, and seems very safe. One capsule every other day is easy also.

 

*What did you do to lower your child's LEAD?* We are going to start a form of EDSA lead chelation soon. Pfeiffer just had us supplement calcium for the lead...it wasn't enough.

 

Claire

[kim]

Giselle/Everyone,

 

I thought of you Giselle, when I started reading this.

 

http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=406983

 

Doesn't require registration to read, and is just JAM packed with practical information.

 

Pfeiffer is mentioned a couple times in the first couple of pages, including the recommendation for an older book (Carl C. Pfeiffer's book "The healing nutrients within).

 

Don't let the first post throw you. This thread is not about vaccines, it's about nutrients and immunology. Just a little way into the first page, there's lots of info. about cystein, glutathione, , selenium, sulphur, taurine, vit C, magnesium, etc.

 

I hope your baby (I know what you mean about 8 or 80) is doing a little better.

 

Kim