Can Lyme/Bartonella cause clostridia?

[MamaOnAMission]

she has had clostridia before she was ever on an antibiotic. Could lyme/bartonella have caused the clostridia? We were going to stop lyme/bart. treatment to start treating for the clostridia, but my husband said enough is enough. He said go full force after the lyme/bartonella, so the clostridia does not come back. I say go off abx... to tackle the clostridia and then get back on lyme treatment. I would add lots of probiotics in to help the clostridia. What do you think???

[SSS]

What does your Dr. think?

Vancomycin can also hit Lyme bacteria (per Dr. B's guidelines)

Another Dr. told me a 3 week course of the Vancomycin was the best (in his opinion) to eradicate it, but then you must be vigilant with your probiotics.

[hugs2day]

Not sure about lyme/bartonella, but you did suspect your daughter may be on the autism spectrum. Clostridia is very common in children with autism and is treated with Flagyl or vanco. It is persistent and tends to be a vicious cycle will come back in my son's even with high quality probiotics and SACH B. SACH B will help tremendously though.

 

You can test for clostridia through great plains labs with urine test.

[Fixit]

interesting question..

as ds4...who also was only on abx a couple of times has clos

ds4 has tag issues..and as i wonder why he is not growing..found that he has yeast, clostridia and no amino acids.

A poster here also mentioned that perhaps ds' lack of growth might be linked to lymes...

 

ds did have shots up to 3yrs...but i also did selective shots....and have stopped all vaccines in all of my children..

i wonder...if i had continued, would ds4 end up on the austism spec...

noting a couple odd things like tags and socks...and now notably the gut issues...

 

did the disbiosis cause the lack of amino acids...or was it the reverse...

could it be lymes?

i have not tested ds4 or ds9 for lymes

i am looking into my system and it might be that i have lymes per some of my symptoms, research and other info i have gathered.

idk

i wish i knew

 

there is some speculation that most autism patients might be linked to lymes...again idk

Edited May 3, 2012 by Fixit

[MamaOnAMission]

thanks for replying to my post. The florastore is doing amazing things for my child. I think I will consider the Vanco. though. Need to talk to doctor. she has never come out of her world b4, until i gave florastore. so i guess she is on spectrum. i think its lyme induced autism. its odd that she has clostridia but no diarrhea though.

[MamaOnAMission]

why does clostridia keep coming back in autistic kids? is it because something else is not working well in the body? like lyme/bartonella? could it be that when the lyme/bartonella is treated that the clostridia may go away????

[Fixit]

have you had the amino acids checked?

next blood draw, ask to test these.

you need to fast, so no food after 8pmish..then try to get first appointment in the am

i think if you just treat clos, and don't have aminos and proper probiotics..yeast fills in the gaps and allows c. diff again...it's all a balance.

i also think if gut is full from yeast and c.diff you arent' hungry..so you can't get aminos from your food.

So no matter how much you eat...and there aren't aminos to break down the food to help create more/other amino's then the yeast soup in the gut uses that food/nutrients you should be using instead.. you end up feeding the yeast and not yourself.

That is my understanding of some of it.