Obsessive-Compulsive Gene Located in Dogs

[MomWithOCDSon]

Thanks SF Mom, Karen and Momaine.

 

She does have allergies, and she's been treated for those in the past with respect to her ears and eyes. You would think, though, that the vet would've mentioned the allergic possibility for the toe issue, too, though.

 

I'll check out those threads with regard to canine strep, too. It couldn't hurt!

 

As for Strep B having the ability to "become Strep A," I'd love to have some additional info on that, if it's available! As I've continued to press the strep/OCD/PANDAS connection with our psychiatrist, one of the push-backs I've gotten from him has been that "strep is everywhere . . . its on your skin, its on objects, etc.," erego, it can't be the source of mental illness. But I'm pretty certain that the strain of strep that is "everywhere" is the more innocuous "B," correct, as opposed to to Strep A? But if Strep B can BECOME Strep A, then even his "argument" takes another hit!

[ajcire]

I don't really get any of this but your psychiatrists theory doesn't take into account that maybe it doesn't cause mental illness in most people but someone with "allergies" to it... I mean peanuts are harmless to most people.... doesn't mean it can't cause death in others...

 

 

 

As for Strep B having the ability to "become Strep A," I'd love to have some additional info on that, if it's available! As I've continued to press the strep/OCD/PANDAS connection with our psychiatrist, one of the push-backs I've gotten from him has been that "strep is everywhere . . . its on your skin, its on objects, etc.," erego, it can't be the source of mental illness. But I'm pretty certain that the strain of strep that is "everywhere" is the more innocuous "B," correct, as opposed to to Strep A? But if Strep B can BECOME Strep A, then even his "argument" takes another hit!

[sf_mom]

I've linked the information above in response to DUT.

 

Strep is every where and its important to boost their immune system enough to manage all bacteria's.

 

-Wendy

 

Thanks SF Mom, Karen and Momaine.

 

She does have allergies, and she's been treated for those in the past with respect to her ears and eyes. You would think, though, that the vet would've mentioned the allergic possibility for the toe issue, too, though.

 

I'll check out those threads with regard to canine strep, too. It couldn't hurt!

 

As for Strep B having the ability to "become Strep A," I'd love to have some additional info on that, if it's available! As I've continued to press the strep/OCD/PANDAS connection with our psychiatrist, one of the push-backs I've gotten from him has been that "strep is everywhere . . . its on your skin, its on objects, etc.," erego, it can't be the source of mental illness. But I'm pretty certain that the strain of strep that is "everywhere" is the more innocuous "B," correct, as opposed to to Strep A? But if Strep B can BECOME Strep A, then even his "argument" takes another hit!

[EAMom]

Here's Ed Kaplan's (WHO strep expert) take on GABHS in dogs (from one of my earlier posts).

 

Unpublished data (to be presented at ICAAC) from Dr. Ed Kaplan (U. Minnesota) also suggest that carriage of GAS in dogs is rare and not associated with human illness. Throat cultures were done on 295 dogs (from 190 households) undergoing elective surgery: 21% were positive for Beta-hemolytic strep. 90% of isolates were group G; only 1 isolate was group A. No association between strep-positive dogs and human illness was observed.

While some of the case reports suggest that treating culture-positive dogs can help clear recurrent infection within a household, there seems much more evidence that dogs are not a reservoir of human GAS disease and the consensus from veterinarians was that culturing dogs wasn't worth it. Some suggested that dogs only carry GAS temporarily while in contact with infected humans.”

 

So, I think the take home message is, go ahead and test your dogs if it makes you feel better. (However, realistically, the $$$ is probably better spent on the Cunningham tests). It's also probably less costly to simply put your dog on a course of antibiotics (vs. culturing), if there is concern about the dogs/cats in the household.

[sf_mom]

This is a good point... I think it was upwards of $200 to test dog.

 

Here's Ed Kaplan's (WHO strep expert) take on GABHS in dogs (from one of my earlier posts).

 

Unpublished data (to be presented at ICAAC) from Dr. Ed Kaplan (U. Minnesota) also suggest that carriage of GAS in dogs is rare and not associated with human illness. Throat cultures were done on 295 dogs (from 190 households) undergoing elective surgery: 21% were positive for Beta-hemolytic strep. 90% of isolates were group G; only 1 isolate was group A. No association between strep-positive dogs and human illness was observed.

While some of the case reports suggest that treating culture-positive dogs can help clear recurrent infection within a household, there seems much more evidence that dogs are not a reservoir of human GAS disease and the consensus from veterinarians was that culturing dogs wasn't worth it. Some suggested that dogs only carry GAS temporarily while in contact with infected humans.”

 

So, I think the take home message is, go ahead and test your dogs if it makes you feel better. (However, realistically, the $$$ is probably better spent on the Cunningham tests). It's also probably less costly to simply put your dog on a course of antibiotics (vs. culturing), if there is concern about the dogs/cats in the household.

[melanie]

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What ???Dogs undergoing elective surgery? Not my dog the only elective thing she does is sleep and eat.