H1N1 vaccine

[kim]

Since about 6:00 am this morning I have been hearing (over and over) a breif report of "good news" regarding findings that one dose of the HINI vaccine is all that may be necessary. If they are refering to the vaccine that I think they are, what's important (and alarming in my opinion) is that this vaccine is the new cell based technology and also uses something called an MF59 adjuvant. As far as I know, the US is currently planning to use a "no adjuvant" vaccine (confirmed in article below). I'm afraid this could change any day. I don't believe they are testing routinely for HINI. As the colds, flu, strep, whatever get underway, along with what cases may be spread around by the live viral flu mist, what kind of numbers might we be hearing that are attributed to HINI regardless of the actuality? If the unadjuvanted egg based vaccines are in short supply and the reported cases (whether hyped or real) are making headlines daily, will this vaccine be what we're all faced with (if you didn't get the vaccine while the others were available)?

 

If you have the time to follow this whole thing, you will see what is the primary concern (of mine). Out of only ONE HUNDRED people, what they call a "probable vaccine-related adverse reaction" was reported 17 days after the trial which only tracked participants for 7 days. Who was responsible for getting this info reported, I don't know, but thanks to them. I will try to provide some links for info on MF59 and squalene adjuvants as time permits today. There are concerns by many, and animal research that shows autoimmune reactions occuring with this type of adjuvant. The report states that the woman's medical condition was unknown prior to her enrollment in the study. You can also see where autoimmune illness is an exclusion criteria. Also, an allergy to thimerosal (50% ethyl mercury) preservative. I didn't see where the vacccine in the trial contained thimerosal, which confuses me, anyway, this info can be found in the bottom two links.

 

I'm posting this a little prematurely. I have not researched it well (and my research capabilities are limited since I have no medical background what so ever), SO ANYONE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS TOPIC PLEASE DO YOUR OWN INVESTIGATING.

 

Here is an article that talks about the vaccine that I suspect they are refering to on the news. Excerpt posted bolding mine.

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE5813JF20090903

Companies claim single-dose swine flu vaccine

 

Dr. Thomas Frieden, director of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, noted that the Novartis vaccine uses the MF59 adjuvant, while the United States will only use vaccines without an adjuvant.

 

Cell-based vaccines like Novartis's are quicker and easier to manufacture than traditional flu vaccines grown in chicken eggs. However, supplies are limited for now and currently make up about 30 percent of the Swiss group's capacity.

 

Novartis said a pilot trial of Celtura run by Britain's Leicester University with 100 volunteers showed a potentially protective immune response in 80 percent of patients after one dose and more than 90 percent after two doses. Other studies with 6,000 adults and children are continuing.

 

 

I believe this is the preliminary Report on the vaccine referenced above.

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/NEJMoa0907650#T2

 

This is the Supplementary Appendix where you can find a more detailed description of the adverse event. I want to share here too, with Psoriasis, if you have any fingernail involvement (pitting, spots, etc) it can indicate connective tissue disease which I had altho mildy, with my infection induced rash. I seem to have developed a little arthritis in my two middle fingers too, subsequent to that outbreak.

 

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/data/NEJMoa0907650/DC1/1

 

 

*easy way to find exclusion criteria.....has anyone ever been told they are hypersensitive to mercury? If you even suggested it to your Dr. I suspect you would be given one of those "you must be insane" looks. Don't forget there are at least two, if not 3 studies where they attempted to prove that thimerosal was not related to neuro problems, but one pesky finding kept replicating....a higher incidence of TICS. I listed the two that really jumped out at me!

 

http://clinicaltrials.gov/show/NCT00943358

Any clinically significant concurrent illness or unstable medical condition including: malignant tumours, autoimmune illnesses (including rheumatoid arthritis), acute or progressive renal or hepatic pathology, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease requiring oxygen therapy, and any active neurological disorder.

 

and

 

Individuals with a history of anaphylaxis or serious reactions to vaccines; hypersensitivity to influenzal viral protein, neomycin or polymixin, or products containing mercury.

[ShaesMom]

http://www.capitalcentury.com/1976.html

 

Here is an article on the 1976 Swine flu epidemic that never was! Only one person actually died from the flu itself-the vaccine killed many others though.

 

No one in my family will be getting the swine flu vaccine.

[kim]

Shae'sMom,

 

Speaking of that, look at this.

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1852250...Pubmed_RVDocSum

 

Anti-ganglioside antibody induction by swine (A/NJ/1976/H1N1) and other influenza vaccines: insights into vaccine-associated Guillain-Barré syndrome.

 

It' confusing to me, how they can say that the 1976 vaccine was strongly associated with GBS, unlike influenza vaccines in subsequent years, then go on to say that anti-GM (1)antibodies were formed in mice as with vaccines from 91,92, 2004 and 2005 (what vaccine are they refering to in the later years?).

 

Under CONCLUSIONS it says

 

CONCLUSIONS: Influenza vaccines contain structures that can induce anti-GM(1) antibodies after inoculation into mice. Further research into influenza vaccine components that elicit anti-ganglioside responses and the role played by these antibodies (if any) in vaccine-associated GBS is warranted.

 

So I'm questioning if it's a component of "flu" itself, or vaccine related...or if it's really known at all. As the article that you posted points out, the flu that this was developed for never materialized, so what happened here?

 

 

In regards to the first post here, I should have been more clear that my concern at this point (no reason to believe that this will be a horrible health risk yet) is in the event that vaccine becomes mandatory. I don't want to be left with no option but an adjuvanted vaccine.

[kim]

Seems the news reports could be talking about this vaccine too-no adjuvant, but does contain thimerosal.

 

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/NEJMoa0907413

 

another news article..excerpt

 

 

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/na...0,3506902.story

One dose of swine flu vaccine may be enough

 

To the surprise of many scientists, preliminary results from a clinical trial of a vaccine for pandemic H1N1 influenza in Australia suggest that one dose of vaccine might be sufficient to provide protective antibodies, a finding that could double the number of available doses and greatly reduce the logistical problems associated with giving two doses.

 

The results, reported online Thursday by the New England Journal of Medicine, confirm results from a Chinese study of a similar vaccine.

 

Unlike the Chinese vaccine, however, the Australian one will be used in the United States, accounting for about 20% of the domestic supply.

[greenmommy]

http://www.cdc.gov/H1N1flu/vaccination/pregnant_qa.htm

[kim]

Wow, do i take exception to the statement about thimerosal in that little FYI article.

 

Q: Does the 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccine have preservative in it?

 

A: There is no evidence that thimerosal (used as a preservative in vaccine packaged in multi-dose vials) is harmful to a pregnant woman or a fetus.

 

 

Well we should be able to click up some studies that looked at pregnant women who recieved various thimerosal containing vaccines and the long term effects of their children who didn't recieve any right? These studies should take into consideration other exposures to mercury such a dental amalgams, exposure thru diet (i.e. fish consumption) proximity of coal burning facilities etc. JUST TRY TO FIND IT...YOU WON"T BECAUSE IT"S NEVER BEEN DONE. NOR WILL YOU FIND ANY STUDIES COMPARING THE HEALTH OF VACCINATED CHILDREN AGAINST UNVACCINATED. THEY WON'T DO IT. I wonder where the studies are regarding the children who will be vaccinated for the first time this year with two doses of the "regular flu" plus one or two doses of the new H1N1 PLUS all of the other routine vaccines. How about a study of the Reg flu + swine Flu + the HPV vax (which is now on track for being injected into our sons too). YOU WON"T FIND THAT KIND OF STUDY.

 

This is typical of the same old reassuring BS that we read over and over and except at face value as coming from people who know more than we do. Notice the wording in the statement "there is no evidence that thimerosal is harmful to pregnant woman or fetus." It doesn't say that rigorous testing has confirmed that there are no short or long term effects of injected thimerosal. Where was this evidence supposed to come from, the vaccine fairy?

 

Now give me a study on people with known autoimmune problems or hyper inflammatory responses. Forget the cost of using a single dose injection without a preservative (thimerosal). They can be made for a few $ more per dose, which i suspect people in the US could come up with, if given the choice. Show me where they adjusted the amt. of antigen that shows an adequate immune response in such individuals. I might consider fact that this vaccine may be beneficial as opposed to dealing with the virus naturally.

 

Teresa Binstock has written some essay's regaring these matters, that are well worth taking the time to read. excerpts below

 

http://www.generationrescue.org/binstock/0...-injections.htm

A recent column in U.S. News & World Report described thimerosal with a statement contrary to fact. "...Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases,... said there's no evidence that Thimerosal poses any health threat..." (1)

 

Questions: Did Anthony Fauci, M.D., commit fraud or was he misquoted? Is there evidence that thimerosal injections injure some individuals? If he was misquoted by U.S. News & World Report, will he ask for a correction? Will the magazine print a correction? Furthermore, if he deliberately issued a fraudulent statement regarding thimerosal, ought his medical license be suspended? Ought his role as director of NIAID be terminated?

 

 

http://www.generationrescue.org/binstock/0...hizophrenia.htm

 

Vaccination-induced cytokines: schizophrenia & developmental disabilities

 

Teresa Binstock

Researcher in Developmental & Behavioral Neuroanatomy

September 07, 2009

 

 

Introduction: An increasing body of peer-reviewed evidence indicates that when a woman is pregnant, transiently elevated cytokines can induce atypical brain development in her embryo or fetus. Illnesses and vaccinations induce elevation of cytokines, and these elevations can be heightened in individuals with alleles of genes related to immune responses. An implication of citations supporting these relationships is that vaccinating pregnant women is likely to induce cognitive and behavioral pathologies in as least some children whose mothers were vaccinated while the child was in utero. Schizophrenia and developmental disabilities are pathologies that may ensue.

 

and

 

Media reports tell us that the safety of swine flu vaccinations will be evaluated. However, some reports have mentioned that thimerosal or squalene may not be present in the vaccines tested early, thus raising questions about "safety" pronouncements we'll be hearing. Furthermore, if the influenza or swine flu vaccinations' adverse events include developmental disabilities and schizophrenia, which will occur some years after the vaccinating of pregnant women, the monitoring of those adverse events will be impossible in the months ahead.

 

More generally, we ask if vaccinologists are prone to hubris? Their willingness to inject thimerosal and squalene (MF59) despite voluminous evidence of harm caused by those substances appalls. An autism parent raises an important issue (11), are many and perhaps most vaccinologists rushing forth while ignoring advances in immunology, while ignoring findings which indicate why some individuals are more likely to experience adverse effects from vaccinations, especially during pregnancy?

[ilovedogs]

I have a friend who is an internal medicine doctor who says that she will not be getting the swine flu vaccine nor will she give it to her kids. She believes that they are rushing on it and that it may not be safe. She is intending to get the seasonal flu vaccine as the hospital is requiring that of her.

Also, my naturopath doc is friends with the head of our local county hospital and said that he asked this doctor what he thought about the swine flu vaccine. The doc said, "It won't work".

We've never gotten a flu vaccine and don't intend to for this new strain of flu. Hey, if you get the flu then you'll have the antibodies the next time it rolls around, right?

 

Just my 2 cents!

 

Bonnie

[kim]

Bonnie,

 

I would so love to agree with you on the part about antibodies for the next time around (and do to a large extent) but knowing that there are immune system issues here either suppressed or hyper or both, well I can sure see where there is room for doubt as to the best decision for each family. There is always going to be the "what if" whether you vaccinate or not, if your child is one that has the bad outcome. It just seems with such a push for all these vaccines (with many many more in the pipelines) there would be some sort of initial testing/ongoing testing to see what the immune system is doing, for families who choose to follow the current guidelines. The Hep B birth dose is the one that totally blows me away in the risk/reward dept. If anyone can explain can explain the logic behind that one, i sure would like to hear it.

 

Anyway, I continue to watch/read headlines regarding this flu. The reports of the hyper inflammatory response being the real danger is what concerns me the most. This article was a little stunning in light of what most of the headlines seem to be. It's mildest in kids?

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/...E58E6NZ20090917

 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The death rate from the pandemic H1N1 swine flu is likely lower than earlier estimates, an expert in infectious diseases said on Wednesday.

 

New estimates suggest that the death rate compares to a moderate year of seasonal influenza, said Dr Marc Lipsitch of Harvard University.

 

"It's mildest in kids. That's one of the really good pieces of news in this pandemic," Lipsitch told a meeting of flu experts being held by the U.S. Institute of Medicine.

 

"Barring any changes in the virus, I think we can say we are in a category 1 pandemic. This has not become clear until fairly recently.

[P_Mom]

Kim....about the Hep B vaccine at birth....Dr. K told us it was absurd and something that a newborn should not be receiving.

[kim]

I would almost take that one step further and say "criminal." I paid to get my kids birth records out of storage. I had been tested for hep b and was negative, yet they chose to stick my newborn with alum and mercury? what about an immature immune system, what about the blood brain barrier. No one asked me if i ever had sensitivity to metals, which I have so is there reason to think my kids might too? No one told me they had no idea how long what they considered "protective immunity" would last or if it would offer ANY protection when they got to the age where they may be at risk (sexually active/IV drug use in the vast majority of cases).

 

Someone mentioned bakers yeast recently as something that their child tested positive to...this is baker's yeast that they are refering to. I did a little searching on this, and the evidence that it's a real problem is not that convincing, BUT we know that MOST adverse events are not reported, so the criteria that the research relied on was not very reliable IMO. Apparently they thought it was significant enough to include as a contradiction.

 

http://docs.google.com/gview?a=v&q=cac...hl=en&gl=us

 

Hep B vax insert page 5

 

Contradictions

Hypersensitivity to yeast or any componenet of the vaccine

[kim]

wanted to mention that the vaccine that I referenced above is not the one that my child got almost 13 years ago. I don't believe any of the Ped doses have thimerosal anymore, but i did notice that this one contained alum hydroxide.

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1974054...Pubmed_RVDocSum

 

Aluminum hydroxide injections lead to motor deficits and motor neuron degeneration

 

Gulf War Syndrome is a multi-system disorder afflicting many veterans of Western armies in the 1990-1991 Gulf War. A number of those afflicted may show neurological deficits including various cognitive dysfunctions and motor neuron disease, the latter expression virtually indistinguishable from classical amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS) except for the age of onset. This ALS "cluster" represents the second such ALS cluster described in the literature to date. Possible causes of GWS include several of the adjuvants in the anthrax vaccine and others. The most likely culprit appears to be aluminum hydroxide.

[mom md]

We saw Dr. Latimer yesterday. She said she thought the regular flu vaccine was fine but she would not get the H1N1 vaccine, nor would she get it herself or let her kids get it. I agree, no H1N1. What do you think about the other?

[dcmom]

I personally just have a gut feeling of- NO vaccines untill dd is completely healthy for a year. I don't want to mess with her immune system, when I don't even know what's going on there....

 

To those who have been diagnosed with immune issues: do your immunologists say anything about vaccines.

 

I really feel like the gov't sound like a "drug pusher" with the H1N1 vaccine, they seem a little hysterical beyond reason.

 

As far as the flu vaccine (as an idiot- I gave pandas dd the mist last year- still wonder if that is part of what brought on pandas)- the recommendation to vaccinate all kids is relatively new. It used to be only for those under 6, I think, so I am not planning on ever getting it for them...

[peglem]

I personally just have a gut feeling of- NO vaccines untill dd is completely healthy for a year. I don't want to mess with her immune system, when I don't even know what's going on there....

 

To those who have been diagnosed with immune issues: do your immunologists say anything about vaccines.

 

I really feel like the gov't sound like a "drug pusher" with the H1N1 vaccine, they seem a little hysterical beyond reason.

 

As far as the flu vaccine (as an idiot- I gave pandas dd the mist last year- still wonder if that is part of what brought on pandas)- the recommendation to vaccinate all kids is relatively new. It used to be only for those under 6, I think, so I am not planning on ever getting it for them...

I feel exactly the same way. Until we know what is going on with her immune system, I don't want to throw an immune stimulant into the mix. Its not like you can just take it back out of the system if it fouls things up.

[kim]

for myself and my boys, with what I know right now, NO.

 

I suspect Dr.s with the viewpoint mentioned above, are thinking of the GBS possibility with H1N1 that hasn't appeared to be a problem with the reg. seasonal flu vaccine,

but I wonder how deeply many of them have looked into the "other components" of these vaccines. Aside from that, I'm just not convinced that they offer any real protecton that warrants the risk.

 

bolding mine

 

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/333/7574/912

 

BMJ 2006;333:912-915 (28 October), doi:10.1136/bmj.38995.531701.80

 

Analysis and comment

Public health

Influenza vaccination: policy versus evidence

 

EXCERPT:

 

The optimistic and confident tone of some predictions of viral circulation and of the impact of inactivated vaccines, which are at odds with the evidence, is striking. The reasons are probably complex and may involve "a messy blend of truth conflicts and conflicts of interest making it difficult to separate factual disputes from value disputes"22 or a manifestation of optimism bias (an unwarranted belief in the efficacy of interventions).23