qannie47 Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 http://www.joanmathewslarson.com/HRC_2006/Depression_06/D_roller_coaster.htm MomWithOCDSon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MomWithOCDSon Posted January 29, 2014 Report Share Posted January 29, 2014 Yes, it IS interesting. Thanks for posting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mama2alex Posted January 29, 2014 Report Share Posted January 29, 2014 Thanks for posting! This is interesting. I see my ds in many of the symptoms for high histamine, but not all. I'm going to ask our doctor to check his level next time we're there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
911RN Posted January 29, 2014 Report Share Posted January 29, 2014 Very interresting....high histamine kid here too:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowingmom Posted January 29, 2014 Report Share Posted January 29, 2014 (edited) I found this thread on Phoenix Rising which lists several links pertaining to species of probiotic bacteria which either degrade or produce histamine: http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?threads/rethinking-probiotics.24643/ From BulletProofExec with lots of self promotion at the end of the article (which is why I sometimes have trouble taking this guy completely seriously): Histamine producing bacteria: Lactobacillus casei, Lactobacillus reuteri, and Lactobacillus bulgaricus (Found in most yogurts and fermented foods). Neutral bacteria: Streptococcus thermophiles (also in yogurt) and Lactobacillus rhamnosus (shown to down regulate histamine receptors and up-regulate anti-inflammatory agents) Histamine degrading bacteria: Bifidobacterium infantis (found in breast milk), Bifidobacterium longum, Lactobacillus plantarum, and some soil-based organisms. From TheLowHistamineChef: http://thelowhistaminechef.com/these-probiotic-strains-lower-histamine-rather-than-raising-it/ The probiotic Lactobacillus rhamnosus (and a few others) down-regulate the IgE and Histamine 4 receptor while also up-regulating anti-inflammatory agents like (IL)-8. In English (to quote a group friend): the probiotic turns down the dial on two important allergy/mast cell cell/histamine receptors, while enhancing the activity of anti-inflammatory agents. From Chris Kresser: this study apparently looked at various microbial strains and broke them into three categories: one category that’s histamine producing; another category, which seems to be sort of neither histamine producing, nor histamine degrading; and then the third category would be histamine degrading. And so obviously you have histamine intolerance, you’d want to focus on the ones that are histamine degrading, and you’d want to avoid the ones that are histamine producing. And the histamine-producing category is Lactobacillus casei, Lactobacillus reuteri, Lactobacillus plantarum, and Lactococcus lactis, Enterococcus faecalis, and various types of E. coli. And then the ones that seem to degrade histamine and be beneficial are lots of bifidobacteria species, but particularly Bifidobacterium infantis and then Lactobacillus rhamnosus and salivarius and sporogenes and Lactobacillus gasseri. This is the tip of the iceberg because there are a lot more species, obviously, of probiotics out there, and I personally wonder about soil-based organisms. I just anecdotally in my practice have observed that soil-based organisms are much better tolerated by people with histamine intolerance and people with SIBO, so my suspicion is that those are not histamine builders and may even be histamine degraders, but I don’t have any evidence to back that up. I tried to find the original paper for this but had no luck. Edited January 29, 2014 by rowingmom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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