GcMAF - Nagalese idea

[JuliaFaith]

We just got a great story from dr. on describing how the nagalese works in your body.

 

My son's WBC/RBC etc. tests look great. Think of your WBC as dogs protecting your body. If your nagalese #'s are too high (differs depending on practitioner) it is like they are throwing your dogs steaks and putting them to sleep. So while the nagalese is protecting all the viruses/bacteria etc. the WBC are not working as they should be.

 

The GcMAF (there is already some in everyone's body) helps destroy the nagalese; viruses; bacteria; & toxins.

 

We have to get blood drawn again, apparently Vit. D have to be normal before starting GcMAF treatment. Our recent tests for some reason did not have it.

[MichaelTampa]

Just wanted to update you one where I am with this. Use of GcMAF along with homeopathic nosodes for lyme really wore me down energywise over a period of several weeks, incredible fatigue. After trying years to fix adrenals/thyroids without meds, started on hydrocortisone (low dose) to replace adrenal function, and have energy, and now it looks like HomeoK MAF homeopathic from BioPure is working, replacing the need for the GcMAF injections. That's what I'm seeing after 2-3 weeks. Maybe over a long period, things will be different. It seems to me, the hydrocortisone is giving me the energy to make my own MAF, whereas I couldn't before.

 

When I was doing the GcMAF injections, I needed something like 50,000 - 100,000 IU of vitamin D many days when the injections were given (which was daily for some period of time). The literature describes this as a binding protein, binding the macrophages with vitamin D. So it makes sense that this stuff really uses up vitamin D quickly, as seems to be the case.

[JuliaFaith]

Just wanted to update you one where I am with this. Use of GcMAF along with homeopathic nosodes for lyme really wore me down energywise over a period of several weeks, incredible fatigue. After trying years to fix adrenals/thyroids without meds, started on hydrocortisone (low dose) to replace adrenal function, and have energy, and now it looks like HomeoK MAF homeopathic from BioPure is working, replacing the need for the GcMAF injections. That's what I'm seeing after 2-3 weeks. Maybe over a long period, things will be different. It seems to me, the hydrocortisone is giving me the energy to make my own MAF, whereas I couldn't before.

 

When I was doing the GcMAF injections, I needed something like 50,000 - 100,000 IU of vitamin D many days when the injections were given (which was daily for some period of time). The literature describes this as a binding protein, binding the macrophages with vitamin D. So it makes sense that this stuff really uses up vitamin D quickly, as seems to be the case.

Great to hear the homeoK is working for you! This is interesting on several levels. My son tested 'no' for homeoK MAF that he had been taking before and after starting on Valcyte. Would be interesting to test for this again now that he is off Valcyte.

 

Also interesting what you said about adrenals/thyroid. My husband started treatment for thyroid and other inflammation issues about 8 months ago. His nagalese was 2.7 and inflammation was 40,000! Pretty high numbers. He did some treatment for 6-8 months (still doing thyroid)/sinus infection and had his nagalese & inflammation checked again. His nagalese was 2.0 and inflammation 8500. His dr. (same as son's) had never seen nagalese go down that much without GcMAF.

 

Had another discussion on the GcMAF Facebook page about bacteria increasing nagalese. Have you joined that page?

 

Anyway, thanks for the input, still hoping for continued healing for you. Take care.

Edited October 24, 2012 by JuliaFaith

[MichaelTampa]

Not really a facebook user, so I haven't seen that page. Seems to be similar confirmation of how important the adrenals/thyroids can be to getting things working on their own, without the injections. While surprising and good news to see nagalase progress without the GcMAF, in a way, it is consistent with what I believe Dr. K. said once at a conference (if I remember correctly) ... that every 0.1 degree of body temperature increase, the level of infection one has will decrease by about 1/2. So, as an example, if addressing adrenals/thyroids increases body temperature by 0.7 (from 97.9 to 98.6), the result will be infection levels of less than 1% of previous level. Apparently, the bugs can't stand the heat!

[JuliaFaith]

Not really a facebook user, so I haven't seen that page. Seems to be similar confirmation of how important the adrenals/thyroids can be to getting things working on their own, without the injections. While surprising and good news to see nagalase progress without the GcMAF, in a way, it is consistent with what I believe Dr. K. said once at a conference (if I remember correctly) ... that every 0.1 degree of body temperature increase, the level of infection one has will decrease by about 1/2. So, as an example, if addressing adrenals/thyroids increases body temperature by 0.7 (from 97.9 to 98.6), the result will be infection levels of less than 1% of previous level. Apparently, the bugs can't stand the heat!

Just for you Michael. This was a direct quote from someone affiliated with First GcMAF company:

 

"Some nagalase is derived from bacteria. It is thought that some gut bacteria create nagalase. Bear in mind that nagalase is simply a defence mechanism for invaders - this enzyme is efficient at compromising the immune system by preventing the production of GcMAF in the liver, by simply stripping one part of the molecular chain of the Gc protein. It is an easy and efficient way to make sure the macrophages are not activated and the invaders are not destroyed by the immune system. Lyme is helped by GcMAF and is in part a bacterial infection"

 

Son is going to start on 14 day prescrip. of Xifaxan so maybe we should get nagalese tested again afterwards? Dr. then wants him to take Vancomycin (since insurance covers most of it). These both go after gut bacteria and could possibly lower nagalese...do you think?

Edited October 25, 2012 by JuliaFaith

[MichaelTampa]

Just for you Michael. This was a direct quote from someone affiliated with First GcMAF company:

 

"Some nagalase is derived from bacteria. It is thought that some gut bacteria create nagalase. Bear in mind that nagalase is simply a defence mechanism for invaders - this enzyme is efficient at compromising the immune system by preventing the production of GcMAF in the liver, by simply stripping one part of the molecular chain of the Gc protein. It is an easy and efficient way to make sure the macrophages are not activated and the invaders are not destroyed by the immune system. Lyme is helped by GcMAF and is in part a bacterial infection"

 

Son is going to start on 14 day prescrip. of Xifaxan so maybe we should get nagalese tested again afterwards? Dr. then wants him to take Vancomycin (since insurance covers most of it). These both go after gut bacteria and could possibly lower nagalese...do you think?

 

Thanks for the quote. I had thought I heard it was viruses ... as this says that "some" nagalase is derived / "some" bacteria create nagalase ... maybe both? I guess it all depends what is the cause in your son's case, and if the xifaxan or vanco will do much with those bacteria. I remember one doc giving me xifaxan and saying it's pretty broad spectrum, used to "clean the slate and start over". Seems possible. I'm not sure if I'd bother testing or not after, depending on purpose of giving these. If it's to treat the nagalase and you might go longer if it's helping, perhaps it's worth testing to see if it did anything meaningful. If it's to treat something else and you're moving on regardless, I'd be more interested in the later outcome a couple months later than right after, to see where you stand after the dust really settles.

 

It gets to the age-old question of testing, are you doing it to just learn whatever you can for possible future use, or to answer a specific question on what to do next...