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another great article from the mom street journalhttp://themomstreetjournal.com/2015/04/28/are-vaccines-required-for-school/

Kim what do you mean here? "infants and immunocompromised and when they become parents themselves, they will be more dangerous to their own children, if Merck and Johns Hopkns Dr.s got it right. "

I was just watching the video http://calchannel.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=7&clip_id=2802 and had to stop b/c of the lies from Pan. Never mind all the business that MMR is perfectly safe, no deaths, has been "proven" doesn't cause autism...but the pertussis crap! At 30 minutes he's talking about the pertussis outbreak of 2010...10 deaths in infants (too young for vax)..how can these people not understand that vaccinating adults/older kids is going to do NOTHING to help those babies and may HARM them by creating asymptomatic carriers??

"Scientists studying flu vaccines have identified ways to overcome an obstacle called "original antigenic sin," which can impair immune responses to new flu strains. Original antigenic sin (OAS) is a situation where the immune system is fighting with obsolete weapons and has trouble adapting. After encountering one viral strain, and then a new one that is related to the first, the immune system can respond by making antibodies against the first strain, resulting in a less effective defense." http://news.emory.edu/stories/2012/08/flu_vaccines_original_sin/campus.html ^^ so I'll bet the non-vaccinated kids with whooping cough can fight it off better if they do get infected, so maybe it doesn't get to the diagnosed/severe stage.

"The suboptimal immune response caused by original antigenic sin is observed when the host is exposed to an antigen which has intermediate antigenic distance to a second antigen previously recognized by the host's immune system." And "original antigenic sin could make vaccinated people more susceptible to the virus than those who are unvaccinated." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3163660/ (the rest of the paper was over my head)

this might also be useful http://iocdf.org/pandas/

Be sure to get throat swabs on everyone in the house too. My PANDAS dd never had elevated titers, but both her and her sister (no symptoms) were positive on throat swabs. Do the 72 hour swab if the rapid is neg. Also, PANDAS dd had vaginal strep, and non-pandas dd had periananal strep.

Oh...and as far as being "safe" to give while pregnant, this is what they looked at: "Main Outcomes and Measures Primary outcomes were maternal and infant adverse events, pertussis illness, and infant growth and development until age 13 months. Secondary outcomes were antibody concentrations in pregnant women before and 4 weeks after Tdap immunization or placebo, at delivery and 2 months postpartum, and in infants at birth, at 2 months, and after the third and fourth doses of DTaP." ...so we don't know if this dTap during pregnancy would increase the risk of autism, allergies, of any other neuro/immune disorders bc they only followed the baby for 13 mo! Yeah, and as far as cocooning...vaccine recommendations (vaccinate mom, caregivers, everybody) doesn't jive with current research/baboon study. I find these recommendations very troubling.

"After the researchers took into account factors that could affect a person's risk of HPV infection (including his or her number of sexual partners), the women who received the original HPV vaccine still had about a 40 percent greater risk of being infected with a high-risk HPV strain not included in the vaccine. [10 Do's and Don'ts to Reduce Your Risk of Cancer] It's unclear why the vaccinated women were more likely to be infected with other high-risk strains, the researchers said." And "Dr. Shashikant Lele, clinical chief of gynecologic oncology, also of Roswell Park, said he would like to see the new findings replicated, because it's not clear why women who were vaccinated with the quadrivalent vaccine would be more prone to other HPV infections than women who had not received the vaccine. "That doesn't make sense to me," Lele said." http://www.cbsnews.com/news/women-who-received-hpv-vaccine-may-need-another-shot/ ^^Kim...could this be another case of "original antigenic sin"?

OMG>>>> "Dr Lambert: Children in our cohort who had received an initial dose of acellular vaccine but then received subsequent doses of whole-cell vaccines had higher rates of pertussis when compared to children who received the same number of whole-cell vaccines overall but whose first dose was a whole-cell vaccine. The nature of the initial dose appeared to be the key. Linked epitope suppression* may explain why initial exposure to acellular vaccine locks in future immune responses. Subsequent doses of whole-cell vaccine are not able to completely “reset” the immune response to match that provided by a first dose of whole-cell vaccine." ^^I added the bold. So, I'll bet that natural infection might not "reset" the immune system either...so maybe no long lasting immunity if you DO get natural infection???

okay...another question: "And unfortunately, unlike a computer, you can’t reboot, or reinstall immune system programming to correct the glitch. Once the programming is set by the vaccine, that’s how the programming stays from that point on, and that’s why it is and should be called.... “original antigenic sin”. " ^^ does this apply to the kids whose pertussis vaccine has "worn off', the teenagers who haven't been vaccinated since before kindergarten (and didn't get the 7th grade tdap)?

Yes, saw that! That's what makes me so afraid...politicians and the mainstream media have no idea of the real science and complexity of vaccination (esp cons). They've over simplified everything and then they are trying to pass scary legislation like SB277. Hillary is very typical of most of the politicians out there: "The science is clear: The earth is round, the sky is blue, and #vaccineswork. Let's protect all our kids. #GrandmothersKnowBest"

Okay...yes! (And I think I posted the question in the wrong vaccine thread!!)

Kim... "The best study on this was in a primate model identical to humans, here. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=24277828 If you read that you will see that primates (people) who are re-exposed to the bacteria after they have had whooping cough naturally, throw out the bacteria immediately, so it doesn’t have a chance to stick around. The problem with the pertussis vaccine is that it creates “original antigenic sin” and affects the immune system so that the vaccinated have a shorter lived and skewed version of immunity. Because of the radical difference in vaccinated vs naturally convalesced people, vaccinated people, can’t throw out the bacteria on re-exposure, like those whose immunity is from the disease. The vaccinated people then harbour the bacteria for up to 7 weeks, allowing the bacteria to change into new strains which then evade the vaccine, and those strains are then spread to everyone else. If the pertussis vaccine created herd immunity and vaccinated people never spread the bacteria, the development of new strains would never have happened because naturally immune people can’t “carry” the bacteria. That’s why, in the old days, pertussis was primarily limited to a very narrow age range of people with no immunity – usually ages 3 – 11. Very rarely did babies, adolescents, or adults get whooping cough. Now, it’s endemic throughout all ages, courtesy of a vaccine which skews the immune response to the bacteria, and as a result creates a climate in which the bacteria can mutate but only in the vaccinated. " http://www.beyondcon...ng-viral-part-2 ^^ but once the bacteria mutates, couldn't it spread to others regardless of vaccine status? This seems to imply that it would only affect the vaccinated? Can you explain?

speaking of mice...I just ran across THIS from 2004: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/vaccine-links-to-autism/ "But now, a landmark study by Dr. Mady Hornig, from the Mailman School Of Public Health, Columbia University, is adding to the mercury worries, asAttkisson finds out. Hornig injected a strain of mice with genetic tissues similar to those found in children with mercury-laden vaccines equivalent to what kids got in the 1990's. The mice developed profound brain problems. So what types of behavior did Hornig see in the mice, and how does that compare with what we call autism? Dr. Hornig answers, "All sorts of strange behaviors that were repetitive in nature, where animals would just keep repeating the same behavior in a very stereotyped fashion." It wasn't just repetition -- the mice withdrew from their surroundings like autistic children. They resisted change and developed brain abnormalities affecting emotion and thinking, also like autistic children." Of course, the PANDAS parents will recognize Hornig's name from this study http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19668249

BTW...there are many more good comments on this study here http://sharylattkisson.com/what-the-news-isnt-saying-about-vaccine-autism-studies/#comments

And more (copied from another forum) on African Americans (who are conveniently under represented in this study): Mayo Clinic Discovers African-Americans Respond Better to Rubella Vaccine - Findings May Help Make Immunizations More Effective and Safer This Merck vaccine immunologist consultant says that genetics cause different responses - and perhaps safety - in African Americans, Caucasians and Hispanics. That the "one size fits all" approach to vaccines is dated. "We may be able to reduce costs. We may be able to reduce the amount of side-effects. If you only need half as much vaccine to reach the same level of protection, we are adding cost, and potentially risk, by giving you double what you actually need." (Time stamp 3:30.) "If we have seen this kind of dramatic difference with this vaccine, will we see it with another vaccine? The answer is yes. We have seen that with other vaccines." (Time stamp 3:50.) Wow. EVERY legislator needs to see this video!! Stop the presses, this video needs everyone to see it! I'm still fascinated about the impaired CYP450 detoxification (of pharmaceuticals and adjuvants) occurring in some races and wondering if that isn't a variable of the "more responsive" immunity Poland is observing. The whole point of the adjuvants is to increase responsiveness to the vaccine, per my understanding. It would follow that 'too much' adjuvant creates hyper-immune responses (ie autoimmunity issues over time). We need a transcript of this video before it disappears. Mayo Clinic: http://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/mayo-clinic-discovers-african-americans-respond-better-to-rubella-vaccine/

More (copied from another forum) relevant info: This CYP450 enzyme is key to effective detoxification. Everyone is pharmaceutical research knows this. There are some interesting variables regarding genetic testing and pharmaceutical medications. To simplify, 90% of pharmaceutical drugs in use, including adjuvant detoxification, require the CYP450 enzyme. 33-43% of Americans have an impaired CYP450 enzyme. http://www.fda.gov/drugs/developmentapprovalprocess/developmentresources/druginteractionslabeling/ucm110632.htm The risk of adverse drug reactions to vaccines is worse for people with asthma, on blood thinners and seizure medications. http://www.aafp.org/afp/2008/0601/p1553.html CYP450 can either increase the rate of drug elimination (ultrametabolizers, leading to faster metabolic clearance potentially resulting in reduced effectiveness and need for higher doses) or decrease drug metabolism (poor metabolizers, which may increase the potential for drug interactions and adverse events). Toxicity and cancer are closely linked. CYP450 varies by ethnicity. This leads to great diversity in individuals' susceptibility to environmental, chemical and drug toxicity. http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/776653_1 Africans are especially susceptible to the drug interactions with the CYP450 enzyme: http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2156/14/34 Since 1997, the FDA requires testing about the CYP450 with all new pharmaceuticals. Not old ones. Not vaccines. Additionally, 40-60% of Americans have another genetic polymorphism, MTHFR, which further impairs detoxification. We do not test if people have these genetic issues before prescribing medications, or vaccinations. Although, the drugs are only tested on people without these genes. http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/gene/MTHFR Preventable Adverse Drug Reactions: A Focus on Drug Interaction: http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/DevelopmentApprovalProcess/DevelopmentResources/DrugInteractionsLabeling/ucm110632.htm

"Shut the up and let me take every vaccine that Merck wants to shove down my throat."

"The new study, published on Monday in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, offers another explanation. Using baboons, the researchers found that recently vaccinated animals continued to carry the infection in their throats. Even though those baboons did not get sick from it, they spread the infection to others that were not vaccinated. When youre newly vaccinated you are an asymptomatic carrier, which is good for you, but not for the population, said Tod J. Merkel, the lead author of the study, who is a researcher in the Office of Vaccines Research and Review in the Food and Drug Administration." http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/26/health/study-finds-vaccinated-baboons-can-still-carry-whooping-cough.html I do find it amusing that the pro-mandatory vaxer trolls are all about "protecting the vulnerable" and "community immunity" and "we have to make schools safe for cancer kids" and how anybody that is not fully vaccinted is a risk to others...but when you mention the baboon study all of a sudden they change their tune and say "well the vaccine protects you from getting sick, isn't that a good thing?"

Kim, I wonder how many pertussis vaccinated nurses/doctors/daycare workers/family members contracted pertussis after vaccination but had no idea they were infected and went on to transmit the infection to vulnerable babies. IMHO this vaccine is potentially dangerous since an infected vaccinated person could unknowingly transmit the bacteria for over 1 mo. If we really cared about protecting "vulnerable individuals" like babies, this vaccine should be banned in adults and older children, not encouraged. At least an unvaccinated person would be more likely to have symptoms and thus know to stay away from babies (or cancer patients) and also get treated with antibiotics.

"Measles (and other viral childhood diseases) stimulate both the Th1 and Th2 components. The MMR vaccine stimulates predominately the Th2 side. Overstimulation of this part of the adaptive immune system provokes allergies, asthma, and auto-immune diseases. Since the Th1 side thwarts cancer, if it does not get fully developed in childhood a person can wind up being more prone to cancer later in life. Women who had mumps during childhood, for example, have been found to be less likely to develop ovarian cancer compared with women who did not have mumps." And "In the journal Autoimmunity, Vared Molina and Yehudi Shoenfeld write Vaccines, in several reports were found to be temporally followed by a new onset of autoimmune disease. The same mechanisms that act in infectious invasion of the host, apply equally to the host response to vaccination. It has been accepted for diphtheria and tetanus toxoid, polio and measles vaccines and GBS. Also this theory has been accepted for MMR vaccination and development of autoimmune thrombocytopenia, MS has been associated with HBV vaccination." http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2015/april/23/first-they-came-for-the-anti-vaxxers/

Awesome comment by "Lily" under Sharyl's article: My reply to someone asking what red flags stood out to me on scanning this study: So here is why that study should not end the debate once and for all. Statistical studies can exclude groups, include groups and make all sorts of adjustments so that outcomes can be manipulated. Additionally these studies are only in regards to MMR and autism. MMR is not the only vaccine implicated in autism or reported to have resulted in autistic spectrum disorders. This is a very narrow view that does nothing to actually disprove a causal link. These are simply numbers. Contrast that with multiple studies linking not only MMR, but Hep B and combination administration of various vaccines with abnormal anomalies found in autistic children as well as increased rate of autism. So red flag number one would be: This study only focuses on MMR vaccine and does not indicate what vaccine or vaccines were implicated in those that received an autism or pdd diagnosis. Red flag number two: While it makes sense to speculate that the potential for increased susceptibility to ASD would increase among siblings with potential similar genetic predispositions, there is nothing in this study that narrows down who has similar genetic predispositions. If genetics are implicated in ASD (vaccines aside) then this study does nothing to even prove a genetic link regardless of vaccination. Yet we know from other studies that there are specific gene mutations more prevalent in children with ASD. Red flag number 3: The categorization of children with autism in this study is based on having at least two ICD codes. These codes include diagnosis for autistic disorder, specified pervasive developmental disorder and unspecified pervasive development disorder. This is quite a broad categorization that encompasses a vast array of symptoms, severity of symptoms and most important causative factors. By this vague method of categorizing autistic children the study can very well be including children with developmental delays or cognitive dysfunction where vaccination was never implicated as a causative factor. A more accurate study would be of children with regressive autism, in which the regression followed closely after vaccination. If you read up on those reporting ASD as a result of vaccination, there is a very common story and pattern that occurs very shortly after vaccination including, inconsolable high pitched crying/screaming, arching the back, loss of eye contact, loss of speech, inflammatory bowel disease with chronic diarrhea and foul stools, seizure disorders, toe walking, stimming, sensory issues etc. While issues with social skills, speech, coordination can all be developmental disorders, the vast majority of those reporting vaccine induced autism encompass the former symptoms listed above. Red flag number 4: If you read the discussion, you will see there are variables that can potentially effect the accuracy of this study. Variables that can alter study outcomes are present in all studies, especially statistical studies such as these. Red flag number 5: No information on gender in relation to siblings etc. is present. Autism is 5x more prevalent in boys. Red flag number 6: This study used children not only administered MMR trivalent but monovalent vaccines AS WELL. It is well known among doctors conscientious about vaccine injury that administering monovalent (single antigen) vaccines greatly reduces the incidence of vaccine adverse reaction. Many of those with a previously injured child were known (prior to Merck discontinuing distribution) to opt to use monovalent vaccines with subsequent children. While we have studies, evidence, and successful court cases showing plausible METHODS of causation between vaccination and autism, we are being told to rely on questionable statistical data as our proof of no link. These studies do nothing to disprove the known issue (and valid reason for compensation) of vaccine induced encephalopathies. They dont disprove that vaccines interfere with gastrointestinal bacteria. They dont disprove known mechanisms of vaccine induced autoimmune disorders. They dont disprove the evidence of abnormally elevated titers of vaccine antigens in autistics. The list goes on and on..This study addresses one vaccine, one adverse event and a questionable sample group. I find it very timely that this study is plastered everywhere the night before the education committee vote. The media always focuses on this one vaccine, this one condition and always brings up Jenny McCarthy and Andrew Wakefield (whos study btw has been replicated and never directly implicated MMR). They never address the long list of other adverse conditions and deaths attributable to vaccines. They never address the lack of safety studies on the full childhood schedule, nor the lack of true placebo in pre-licensure studies. The issue here isnt just autism. The fact that this one issue is the sole focus of the entire complex issue of vaccines should also be a red flag to anyone seeking the truth.

Great article by Sharyl Atkinson, this study is mentioned http://sharylattkisson.com/what-the-news-isnt-saying-about-vaccine-autism-studies/#comment-79561

Great article..."Does Big Pharma Own America?" http://themomstreetjournal.com/2015/04/15/does-big-pharma-own-america/