ajcire Posted December 17, 2009 Report Posted December 17, 2009 http://www1.snapfish.com/slideshow/AlbumID..._NAME=snapfish/ and http://www1.snapfish.com/slideshow/AlbumID..._NAME=snapfish/ One is my dd who I am now concerned about... this was during one of her freakouts a little while ago.. she was less than pleased that I decided to capture the moment on film. One is my 2 year old ds who I have no worries about YET.... My pandas ds is not home so I don't have one of him to include. Is this what you mean by the difference in pupil sizes? I am pretty sure you can tell which is which from the picture.
Suzan Posted December 17, 2009 Report Posted December 17, 2009 I can't see it at work, I'll log in when I get home......
ajcire Posted December 17, 2009 Author Report Posted December 17, 2009 I think I need to post them a different way anyway... going to delete them from my post and put them back in a bit. quote name='Suzan' date='Dec 17 2009, 01:20 PM' post='49110'] I can't see it at work, I'll log in when I get home......
momto2pandas Posted December 17, 2009 Report Posted December 17, 2009 The pupil in the first picture doesn't look that huge to me, but maybe I am just used to looking at eyes like that! That having been said, assuming that the first picture is your PANDAS kid, there is what my Mom always used to call a "glazed" look in the eye that looks just like my ds when he's having an exacerbation. My mother used to say that she could always tell that it was coming on with me by that "glazed" look in the eye, and now, when I look at my ds, I know what she means - I can tell by looking at his eyes whether he's coming down with it. Even his teachers have all remarked that his eyes look different when he's having a flare. Is it just the pupil size, or is it something else? I can't put my finger on it. My ds gets purple under his eyes when it's happening, too. http://www1.snapfish.com/slideshow/AlbumID..._NAME=snapfish/ and http://www1.snapfish.com/slideshow/AlbumID..._NAME=snapfish/ One is my dd who I am now concerned about... this was during one of her freakouts a little while ago.. she was less than pleased that I decided to capture the moment on film. One is my 2 year old ds who I have no worries about YET.... My pandas ds is not home so I don't have one of him to include. Is this what you mean by the difference in pupil sizes? I am pretty sure you can tell which is which from the picture.
peglem Posted December 17, 2009 Report Posted December 17, 2009 Did you use a flash to take the pictures? There will be some pupil closing due to that. In exacerbation my daughter's pupils get so big, you can hardly see the iris at all.
ajcire Posted December 17, 2009 Author Report Posted December 17, 2009 I didn't even think about the flash... Yes... there was flash. I know this is dumb of me but I can't think right now... does that mean her pupil was big because of the flash or that it might have been smaller because of the flash? Yes, my dd is the first picture. I was thinking it's probably not as large as some are describing but remember... technically that is my non pandas dd but I am trying to figure out if her long drawn out emotional episodes are possibly pandas. My older ds is the one whose picture I didn't get to take today but he is my pandas kid and I do think that during his bad times his eyes get that look.... the large pupil but mostly that look. I know exactly what you mean.. I often say I can see it coming. Of course I can also tell before a meltdown because his voice gets all sobby and different too. I just wanted to make sure I was really getting what you guys meant about the eyes. Did you use a flash to take the pictures? There will be some pupil closing due to that. In exacerbation my daughter's pupils get so big, you can hardly see the iris at all.
peglem Posted December 17, 2009 Report Posted December 17, 2009 The flash would make it smaller than it was at the time- check it out on yourself in the mirror with a flash light. In dim light your pupils will be fairly large (to collect more light so you can still see) but when you shine the flashlight, you should see a very rapid reduction in pupil size.
ajcire Posted December 17, 2009 Author Report Posted December 17, 2009 Peglem, ugh.. so really my dd's pupils should not have been that big even though they could have been bigger right? My ds's picture was taken in the same location just seconds before my dd.... She was really out of sorts when I took it... it took a while for me to even be able to take the picture because she was making sure it was not easy. Now I am including a picture of my pandas ds... it's not for pupil purposes but it's for the awful coloring underneath... is this what many of you are also talking about by the dark circles under? It's not my best example of it in him but I am just going through pics I had taken this month already where I was not really thinking about concentrating on his eyes. The flash would make it smaller than it was at the time- check it out on yourself in the mirror with a flash light. In dim light your pupils will be fairly large (to collect more light so you can still see) but when you shine the flashlight, you should see a very rapid reduction in pupil size.
thereishope Posted December 17, 2009 Report Posted December 17, 2009 I see the difference in pupil dilation between the kids. As for the last one w/ the discoloring beneath the eyes, my son had that too. Tonight I will mess around with putting a few photos online and I will message you them to compare. Hopefully, I will rememer to do that:) Peglem, ugh.. so really my dd's pupils should not have been that big even though they could have been bigger right? My ds's picture was taken in the same location just seconds before my dd.... She was really out of sorts when I took it... it took a while for me to even be able to take the picture because she was making sure it was not easy. Now I am including a picture of my pandas ds... it's not for pupil purposes but it's for the awful coloring underneath... is this what many of you are also talking about by the dark circles under? It's not my best example of it in him but I am just going through pics I had taken this month already where I was not really thinking about concentrating on his eyes. http://www1.snapfish.com/slideshow/AlbumID..._NAME=snapfish/ The flash would make it smaller than it was at the time- check it out on yourself in the mirror with a flash light. In dim light your pupils will be fairly large (to collect more light so you can still see) but when you shine the flashlight, you should see a very rapid reduction in pupil size.
ajcire Posted December 17, 2009 Author Report Posted December 17, 2009 I see the difference in pupil dilation between the kids. As for the last one w/ the discoloring beneath the eyes, my son had that too. Tonight I will mess around with putting a few photos online and I will message you them to compare. Hopefully, I will rememer to do that:) Thanks Vickie.... the ped always told me that ds looked like an allergy kid but he has no allergies that I know of.
momto2pandas Posted December 17, 2009 Report Posted December 17, 2009 Yes, this is exactly the dark coloring we see. Peglem, ugh.. so really my dd's pupils should not have been that big even though they could have been bigger right? My ds's picture was taken in the same location just seconds before my dd.... She was really out of sorts when I took it... it took a while for me to even be able to take the picture because she was making sure it was not easy. Now I am including a picture of my pandas ds... it's not for pupil purposes but it's for the awful coloring underneath... is this what many of you are also talking about by the dark circles under? It's not my best example of it in him but I am just going through pics I had taken this month already where I was not really thinking about concentrating on his eyes. http://www1.snapfish.com/slideshow/AlbumID..._NAME=snapfish/ The flash would make it smaller than it was at the time- check it out on yourself in the mirror with a flash light. In dim light your pupils will be fairly large (to collect more light so you can still see) but when you shine the flashlight, you should see a very rapid reduction in pupil size.
matis_mom Posted December 17, 2009 Report Posted December 17, 2009 Well, even with the flash, the difference between the two is noticeable. It's obvious the child in the first picture is not reacting to the flash nearly as much as the second one. All variables being the same (flash, distance from camera, time of day, etc), you can tell the PANDAS child's pupils are much bigger than the other one. My son gets not only the dilated pupils but his eyes look kind of puffy overall, and when they look at you it's like they are actually looking behind you, hard to explain, I guess is what some people call the one-mile (or is it 7-mile?) stare...
ajcire Posted December 17, 2009 Author Report Posted December 17, 2009 Well, even with the flash, the difference between the two is noticeable. It's obvious the child in the first picture is not reacting to the flash nearly as much as the second one. All variables being the same (flash, distance from camera, time of day, etc), you can tell the PANDAS child's pupils are much bigger than the other one. My son gets not only the dilated pupils but his eyes look kind of puffy overall, and when they look at you it's like they are actually looking behind you, hard to explain, I guess is what some people call the one-mile (or is it 7-mile?) stare... Mati's mom.. I am afraid that what you said might be right. See, that is not my diagnosed pandas child.. that is my 5 year old dd who I am afraid is showing all the emotional/behaviorial signs except doesn't have the tics and ocd (maybe she is showing some of this but not the typical kind.. don't know).
Suzan Posted December 18, 2009 Report Posted December 18, 2009 I agree about the reaction, even with the flash and the allergy look. Have you had allergy testing or using allergy meds at this point? You have me obsessed (OK, I should not use that word for myself!) tonight with my dd's eyes but I can't get a good example of the two of them. But, dd8 was not feeling well tonight. She was angry and moody and irritated and her eyes were dialiated more than dd7. I took this picture with no flash. The thing that amazes me is that they can change within minutes when she switches out of the mood, her eyes go back to normal. I know this picture does not show a comparison but I don't have a good picture of her sister at the same time. http://images1f.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ff...3B6653338nu0mrj
momto2pandas Posted December 18, 2009 Report Posted December 18, 2009 It is uncanny how much the look in the eyes looks like my ds's when they are having trouble. Mine don't change within minutes, though - it seems be constant during a flare (which usually lasts 1-2 weeks). Our pediatrician can even see at a glance how they're doing from the eyes. I agree about the reaction, even with the flash and the allergy look. Have you had allergy testing or using allergy meds at this point? You have me obsessed (OK, I should not use that word for myself!) tonight with my dd's eyes but I can't get a good example of the two of them. But, dd8 was not feeling well tonight. She was angry and moody and irritated and her eyes were dialiated more than dd7. I took this picture with no flash. The thing that amazes me is that they can change within minutes when she switches out of the mood, her eyes go back to normal. I know this picture does not show a comparison but I don't have a good picture of her sister at the same time. http://images1f.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ff...3B6653338nu0mrj
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