Skin picking remedy/treatment?

[BeeRae22]

Not that long ago, someone commented about something they used to relieve or treat for skin picking and I can't find it now? My dd has been picking at her skin all the time lately, and it makes me crazy!

 

Anyone?? Thanks!

[SSS]

We used

PharmaNac

at the end of last summer when my dd started skin picking.

It's expensive, but IMO, the best one.

If you google PharmaNac (it's N-actyl cysteine in the most absorbable form)

you will find some interesting studies,

one by Stanford Medical.

We used 2 boxes, started out 2x a day, tapered off to 1x a day-

she stopped picking skin- it was absolutely compulsive.

[911RN]

We used

PharmaNac

at the end of last summer when my dd started skin picking.

It's expensive, but IMO, the best one.

If you google PharmaNac (it's N-actyl cysteine in the most absorbable form)

you will find some interesting studies,

one by Stanford Medical.

We used 2 boxes, started out 2x a day, tapered off to 1x a day-

she stopped picking skin- it was absolutely compulsive.

My DS14 has a nail picking tic...he has literally torn off most of his toenails. They are so short and down to the cuticle. BUT, not his fingernails. Those get so long we have to cut them. Doesn't make sense!!?? I have tried NAC on him in the past and if I recall it made him very angry and aggressive. He will go in and out of this compulsive behavior. Like a switch. He will stop and they will all grow out then on a dime he will start again. I wish I knew what his trigger was so I could stop it.

 

Anything else out there work? I'm going to try him on the help oil this summer.

[sf_mom]

One of our Dr.'s believes skin picking, nail biting, toe nail biting, hair pulling is typically one of three things:

• Yeast/Mold/Fungus... essentially all the same beast.
• Parasites
• Vitamin and mineral deficiency

[EAMom]

Here's an article from 2015 about using glutathione vs NAC for skin picking.

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2015/07/antioxidants-help-treat-skin-picking-disorder-in-mice.html

Antioxidants help treat skin-picking disorder in mice, researcher says

Two antioxidant supplements were found to be effective in treating a skin-picking disorder in mice, suggesting they may be useful in people with the condition.

JUL 132015

Joseph Garner and his colleagues found that two antioxidant supplements were effective in helping mice with a skin-picking disorder.
Steve Fisch

Two antioxidant supplements are effective in treating skin-picking disorder in mice, according to a study led by a Stanford University School of Medicine researcher.

The finding suggests that people with the potentially serious disorder might benefit from this therapy.

An estimated 4 percent of the population — or about 1 in 25 — suffer from skin-picking disorder, in which repeated, compulsive picking or scratching of the skin can lead to severe disfigurement and life-threatening infection. Skin picking is also common among laboratory mice, which may develop potentially fatal ulcerative dermatitis, skin lesions, caused by excessive grooming.

The condition is the single leading avoidable cause of death among laboratory mice, said Joseph Garner, PhD, associate professor of comparative medicine and senior author of the study, which was published online today in PLOS ONE. The lead author is Nneka George, DVM, of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

In the study, the researchers experimented with two antioxidant supplements — N-acetylcysteine and glutathione — to treat mice with skin-picking disorder. NAC is used by cells to make glutathione, which is the brain’s main, naturally occurring antioxidant. NAC has been used experimentally in people with a variety of conditions, including Parkinson’s disease, autism and cystic fibrosis, and reports of individual cases suggest it could be useful in treating skin picking.

Potentially fewer side effects from glutathione

“With NAC, almost every mouse got a little bit better,” Garner said. “But there is a huge variability is response, anywhere from a slight improvement to complete cure.”

NAC also took a long time to show an effect: If an animal was cured, it took six to eight weeks. With glutathione, the pattern was very different. Fifty percent responded, but in these animals it was a rapid, all-or-nothing response: If they got better, they were completely cured in two to three weeks. The animals that didn’t get better were worse off to start with, the researchers found.

Garner said the results suggest that glutathione might be an even more powerful therapeutic, with potentially fewer side effects.

“What’s exciting is that we have a compound that works. It works as well as NAC. It’s clearly working differently, or at least more directly. This different response profile gives us some hope that there may be some nonresponders, or people who can’t tolerate NAC, who may be helped by glutathione,” he said.

This can lead to really serious disfigurement in extreme cases.

Skin-picking disorder is a surprisingly common condition, yet many patients avoid seeking help because of the shame and embarrassment, Garner said.

“This can lead to really serious disfigurement in extreme cases,” he said. “People suffer in complete silence. They think they are the only one who has it, despite the fact that it’s very common, and it kills people.”

By the time people do seek help, about 35 percent have required some kind of antibiotic treatment, and 5 percent have required intravenous antibiotics to treat potentially life-threatening infections, he said. Some are referred for psychiatric help. Although cognitive behavioral therapy can be an effective form of treatment, there are few practitioners equipped to do this form of therapy, Garner said.

People with the condition also may be prone to compulsive hair pulling, another body-focused, repetitive-behavior disorder. A clinical trial among patients with the hair-pulling disorder, also known as trichotillomania, showed NAC to be an effective treatment in 56 percent of cases.

Study methods

In the latest study, the researchers selected 16 mice with lesions on the face, neck and limbs — signs of skin picking. Because the condition is painful and potentially fatal, the researchers treated all the mice with a thin film of topical antibiotic and steroidal ointment to relieve their discomfort. A third of the mice received a high dose of NAC in their drinking water. Another third were given drops of glutathione on the nose. (Because mice are nose breathers, they easily inhaled the compound.) A control group was given neither of the compounds.

Almost all the animals treated with NAC showed some improvement, though the improvement was slow. By the end of the study, 40 percent were fully cured. Among the animals treated with glutathione, results were more rapid: Within two to four weeks, about half were cured; the other half did not respond. There was no change among the control animals.

People suffer in complete silence. They think they are the only one who has it, despite the fact that it’s very common, and it kills people.

Garner believes that NAC works by combating oxidative stress that causes certain cells in the brain to die or become inactive.

“Our thought is maybe NAC works because in the brain it is the precursor to glutathione, and the brain has to make glutathione to protect itself against oxidative stress,” he said.

NAC, however, isn’t easily tolerated by many people, causing gastrointestinal distress, he said. Intra-nasal glutathione, on the other hand, may avoid these potential side effects by bypassing the gut and liver, delivering the compound directly to the brain. He first presented the results in April to a patient advocacy group.

“The sense of excitement from patients, advocates and researchers was palpable,” he said. “This is the first new potential drug for this disorder in years.”

Garner said his next step is to plan a clinical trial in patients to test the value of intra-nasal glutathione.

Another Stanford co-author of the study is research associate Jerome Geronimo. The experiments were conducted by researchers at the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill.

The study was funded by the Timothy Foundation, a private nonprofit supporting research in body-focused repetitive behaviors, and by the Division of Laboratory Animal Medicine at UNC-Chapel Hill.

Information about Stanford’s Department of Comparative Medicine, which also supported the work, is available at http://med.stanford.edu/compmed/.

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  ByRUTHANN RICHTER

  Ruthann Richter is the director of media relations for the medical school's Office of Communication & Public Affairs. Email her at richter1@stanford.edu.