T_Anna Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 What are you using to treat the Bartonella? The integrative doctor, wanted us to double the following (DS16 takes 1 of each/twice a day). Olive leaf extract Reservatrol Meriva Reishe Thisilyn I think he may be herx ing from the tincture of Sida Acuta+Hawthorne. Would increasing the above cause a herx? T.Anna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dedee Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 I would think so. My daughter herxed just from OLE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T_Anna Posted May 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 Dedee what are you using(used) to treat Bartonella? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktdommer Posted May 25, 2014 Report Share Posted May 25, 2014 Did you increase them all at once? I taker resv and OLE without issue. However, sida acuta gave me the worst herx of my life. Start really slow and low on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopeny Posted May 25, 2014 Report Share Posted May 25, 2014 on the abx side Rifampin/Zith or Rifampin/Doxy. Our LLD likes low dose compounded arteminisin and Byron White A-Bart and A-Neuro I think it's called, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowingmom Posted May 26, 2014 Report Share Posted May 26, 2014 Buhner's bartonella protocol: http://buhnerhealinglyme.com/ BARTONELLA Research is ongoing, this is the most up to date protocol: • Sida acuta tincture (from Woodland Essence or julie@gaianstudies.org) ¼ tsp 3x day for 30 days • Hawthorn tincture, same • Japanese knotweed, (tincture, same dose (from same sources as Sida acuta, above), or capsules from Green Dragon Botanicals 2 capsules 3x daily) • EGCG 400mg +- daily • Houttuynia (Yu Xing Cao – 1st Chinese Herbs, powder – use “LYME” code at checkout for 10% off) 1 tbl daily • L-arginine 5000 mg daily in divided doses • Milk Thistle seed, standardized, 1200 mg daily All for 30 days. PLEASE NOTE: If you have active herpes, chicken pox, or shingles DO NOT USE L-arginine. Sida acuta is a broad spectrum antimicrobial and could well produce die-off, along with OLE. Reishe will support immune function, so the immune system may become more involved in killing off infection, thus die-off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dedee Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 We are treating Lyme / Bartonella, and use Minocycline, Rifampin, Cefdiner, about to start Plaquinel and use Valtrex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T_Anna Posted May 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 I know I cannot ask this, but... How long before you saw results? We only added Azith and Mepron a day apart. All the rest were added over time. And now I know that the herx was the Sida Acuta, but he seems over it now. We're on everything but the l-arginine and houttaniya. Thanks as always, T.Anna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowingmom Posted May 27, 2014 Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 Houttuynia is pretty essential for bartonella. It is the main part of Dr Zang's bartonella protocol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T_Anna Posted May 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 Thanks rowing mom, I'll ask the integrative neurologist who overseas the supplements. T.Anna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowingmom Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 One of the moderators on the HealingWell Lyme forum had good luck healing her long time (25 year) bartonella infection using just houttuynia. I prefer the many faceted approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T_Anna Posted May 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 Haven't heard back yet from Integrative, but does it come in pills or also a tincture? TIA, T.Anna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopeny Posted May 28, 2014 Report Share Posted May 28, 2014 Dr zhang has an office in NYC and I'm pretty sure he has a website with info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowingmom Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 Dr Zhang sells his own capsules called HH - one source here: http://www.drrons.com/chinese-herbs/ which I think may be double strength and WoodLandEssence sells the tincture: http://www.woodlandessence.com/herbal.htm We use the powdered herb from 1stChineseHerbs. 1/4 tsp powdered herb made into infusion, cooled and taken. 3x daily. http://www.1stchineseherbs.com/houttuynia_cordata.html In talking to Buhner's associate the other day I enquired about the safety profile of 1stChineseHerbs' products, being they are often sourced from China. She said they are 3rd party tested for metals and other contaminants and that she and Buhner have no problem recommending them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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