Bartonella Feeds On Glutamate

[momcap]

I still do NOT have my head around all the KPU and glutamate threads that have been on here lately. But I was reading up on Bartonella and this paragraph stuck out:

 

An unusual feature of Bartonella henselae is its inability to use glucose to derive energy, since glucose is abundant in mammalian hosts. This is due to the fact that it has an incomplete glycolysis pathway. Another closely related species Bartonella quintana uses a similar mechanism for metabolism as well. Both bacteria use amino acid catabolism to generate energy.This was confirmed with oxygen consumption and the production of carbon dioxide (3). It has been determined that Bartonella quintana metabolizes mainly succinate and glutamate. A few years later, it was determined that Bartonella henselae uses succinate and glutamate as well, along with histidine, asparigines, glycine, and serine from the growth medium. (from Microbe Wiki)

 

Does this mean anything significant to you glutamate gurus? I'm lost, but I think this is important. Also histidine - does that have anything to do with histamine? All the high/low histamine stuff that was on here too is resonating. I'm just not pulling it all together...

 

Does anyone know how quickly bart multiplies? How long off antibiotics before symptoms can return? Is it possible within 24 hours?!

[MichaelTampa]

Sounds like you wouldn't want too much of the glutamate and other things, of course you probably need some to live and whatnot...

 

I have heard that bartonella symptoms can come back within a day upon stopping abx, that quick relapses like that tend to indicate bartonella relapse versus lyme, that lyme relapse takes weeks. Babesia I think is between the two, perhaps a few days to a week. All this has to do with their growth cycles.

[SSS]

Well, I just spent time backtracking glutamate on the pandas forum,

and I still don't get it :-/

 

I do know that Bartonella messes with the gastro track, and glutamine is used to heal the stomach lining-

dd and I both have Bartonella, and both have gastro issues- leaky gut, food intolerences, yeast, constipation, etc.

(before and not caused by antibiotics)

On alternative testing, we both showed a high need for glutamine.

Bought some, we each took one, she had a horrid, horrid reaction, and I was short tempered.

Never will give again.

Somehow, it also relates/causes excitory in the brain- like a msg toxin.

I also get sick when I eat food with msg in it.

 

All this to say (sorry) clearly I have no clue.