Killing Bacteria or living in harmony with?

[Guest pandas16]

Do LLMDS attempt to rid the body of all spirochetes? Or just kind of reduce the load so the immune system can get them under control and take care of them?

[MichaelTampa]

The one I had been going to a while seemed to be of the belief of getting the load down so the body can keep it in check and keep it from being a problem, as if getting rid of all of them would be impossible. My sense is that he has a lot of company in having this perspective.

[smartyjones]

The one I had been going to a while seemed to be of the belief of getting the load down so the body can keep it in check and keep it from being a problem, as if getting rid of all of them would be impossible. My sense is that he has a lot of company in having this perspective.

 

 

FWIW -- we are working on a similar thought -- kind of a downgrading to where it may still be present in the body but not present the trouble that we see.

 

 

pandas16 -- can you refer me to the article you mention about toxoplasma? thanks

[SSS]

Just taking something to stop the Lyme bacteria from spreading, keep it in check, sounds divine.

But that is not how it works.

It replicates itself into different forms all the time, evading, hiding, burrowing into brain tissues and organs, comes out, goes back into cyst form,

comes out again.

It is, in my opinion, one of the nastiest and smartest bacterias on the planet.

And then there are the horrific co-infections that come with it, all of these deep infections

eroding and destroying the immune system.

 

I'm just a ray of sunshine, huh?

 

The theory (to me, our Dr.) is to eradicate the infections as much as possible,

while at the same time fixing the immune system and all the other layers that come with it/

are in play- viruses, heavy metals, parasites, gut issues if present, and detox, detox, detox.

[LNN]

The theory (to me, our Dr.) is to eradicate the infections as much as possible,

while at the same time fixing the immune system and all the other layers that come with it/

are in play- viruses, heavy metals, parasites, gut issues if present, and detox, detox, detox.

 

To join the Sunshine chorus, this is our LLMDs view as well. It seems unlikely that you can totally eradicate lyme once it has lived in you for a long time. They've done autopsies of animals they infected, treated, that showed no signs of ongoing infection, blood work looked like lyme was gone, and a year later were able to grwo spirochetes in a culture of brain tissue or spinal fluid from these animals. So our goal is to get it low enough that it's not the organism that's calling the shots. But to do that, it does seem that a "war" mentality is needed. Because the spirochette can assume a cyst form, an L-form, live in a biofilm, and doesn't replicate for 3-4 weeks, it can be a long haul to reduce the load even if your goal is just a truce.

 

On top of that, as lyme alters the body more to its liking, it does seem to shut down the body's detox system and lead to a build up of metals and makes a nice home for viruses and such. So to answer your question, I think most LLMDs have come to the conclusion that co-existence is probably the most likely outcome, but getting there is still no easy or simple task. Much depends on how long you've been untreated, what you're sick with (beyond spirochetes), the environmental insults you've been exposed to and your genetic ability to run an efficient ship (specifically methylation, transulfuration and Krebs pathways). Not something you want to hear as you start out. Not everyone will have the same struggles. But the possible outcomes seem as varied as the individuals who walk this path.

[911RN]

The theory (to me, our Dr.) is to eradicate the infections as much as possible,

while at the same time fixing the immune system and all the other layers that come with it/

are in play- viruses, heavy metals, parasites, gut issues if present, and detox, detox, detox.

 

To join the Sunshine chorus, this is our LLMDs view as well. It seems unlikely that you can totally eradicate lyme once it has lived in you for a long time. They've done autopsies of animals they infected, treated, that showed no signs of ongoing infection, blood work looked like lyme was gone, and a year later were able to grwo spirochetes in a culture of brain tissue or spinal fluid from these animals. So our goal is to get it low enough that it's not the organism that's calling the shots. But to do that, it does seem that a "war" mentality is needed. Because the spirochette can assume a cyst form, an L-form, live in a biofilm, and doesn't replicate for 3-4 weeks, it can be a long haul to reduce the load even if your goal is just a truce.

 

On top of that, as lyme alters the body more to its liking, it does seem to shut down the body's detox system and lead to a build up of metals and makes a nice home for viruses and such. So to answer your question, I think most LLMDs have come to the conclusion that co-existence is probably the most likely outcome, but getting there is still no easy or simple task. Much depends on how long you've been untreated, what you're sick with (beyond spirochetes), the environmental insults you've been exposed to and your genetic ability to run an efficient ship (specifically methylation, transulfuration and Krebs pathways). Not something you want to hear as you start out. Not everyone will have the same struggles. But the possible outcomes seem as varied as the individuals who walk this path.

 

We are not fighting a Lyme's battle....however, I agree with the sentiments expressed. Lyme's they are finding and it is expressed in some of the reserch- can be equated with Syphillis and TB, in some sense, in that, the organism has the ability to wall itself off and present problmes down the road if not eradicated as much as possible. Syphillis is similar- reason you have primary, secondary and teritiary syphillis. Folks don't treat it completely and it essentially ends up destroying their brains. TB, if not treated completely ends up destroying the lungs. Lyme's ends up causing long term neurological effects.

 

I saw a gentleman in late stages of untreated Lyme and it was the saddest thing I could ever see. He was in his late 40's early 50's and presented with a Parkinson's type gait, tremors, weak as a kitten etc. It was awful...he was receiving IV medications routinely, however, it was felt that that would only stop the progression of the illness and help to stall it in it's tracks. It was not thought that he would recover what was lost. Present neurological damage would persist.Just not get any worse with treatment.

 

FWIW- LD being under detected,undiagnosed and under treated is hitting the ER docs....this has been a big topic of discussion this year. I have seen higher incidence of testing for lyme titers, many positives (even on Western blot) and higher suspicion for LD amongst all the docs. AND, I am not in a Lyme prone area like the Northeast! Although, I think Lyme is everywhere, now. Hopefully, with greater awareness- folks will get diagnosed and treated appropriately sooner.