Biofilm and L form

[Guest pandas16]

Are Biofilms and L forms of bacteria the same thing? If you destroy a biofilm do you also destory the L form? I ask on the Lyme forum because I remember talk of bioflims before hand

[LNN]

My Layman's understanding is that they are different. I believe the L-form is a cell-wall deficient form of Bb that I think of as "intra-cellular."

 

Biofilms are cities of bacteria and possibly viruses. Many bacteria form biofilms (tooth plaque is a biofilm). Bb biofilms start when two spirochetes line up next to each other and interlace their flagella, like two hooks linking arms. They then wrap themselves in a goo. Other spirochetes line up around them. I think of it as french-braiding hair. More and more strands join in, forming a strong bond, with the goo made up of metals, minerals and other stuff I don't understand. These bacteria have cell walls. But the goo becomes hard and makes a fortress. Inside the film, the bacteria can share DNA - even with non-Bb cells apparently. The outer layer of the film is hard and generally resistant to abx.

 

Here's a long but very good explanation of biofilms -

http://bacteriality.com/2008/05/26/biofilm/

It addresses biofilms and illness about 1/3 of the way into the article.

[pathfinder]

Hello pandas16

How is your TSO going?

Can you share rTMS treatment information with rest of us?

Since I heard that you are tabling rTMS, I started to take interest in that treatment and I found that there are 2 different rTMS treatments. One with ribbone shape that goes on front of head and the one with ice cream shape that goes on left side of brain. Which one are considering?

Thanks pandas 16