Band 41 - Bacteria with Flagella

[LNN]

I know that on the Western Blot (and Igenex) Band 41 indicates an antibody response to a bacteria that has a flagella - a tail, like a sperm. Borreliosis has a tail, as does H Pylori (the bacteria that causes ulcers). But I'm having trouble finding a list of other bacteria that might show up as a positive 41 band. Anyone have any info or google search ideas? (also posting this on the lyme board)

Edited January 12, 2011 by LLM

[thereishope]

I don't have much time to look around on the internet right now, but I did found that syphilis and gum disease can create a positive band 41.

[LNN]

Thanks Vickie. Hopefully my 6 yo DD doesn't have syphilis!

[thereishope]

I'll bet the bank she doesn't!

 

Strep has a flagella too.I can't find an actual list, but you can think of various bacteria and simply type "Does ____ have a flagella". I know that's not the easy way to do it so hopefully someone else can provide you with an actual list. You'd think that would be rather easy to find on the internet, but it's not.

 

Sorry I can't be helpful with this.

Edited January 13, 2011 by Vickie

[P_Mom]

Strep Throat is in Group A. These bacteria can also cause meningitis, pneumonia, and "flesh eating" bacterial infections. The bacteria are not like viruses. Instead of injecting genetic material into the cell, the bacteria live without a host cell. They will form a long string and sit on the back of the throat or mouth. This is what forms the white blotches or spots seen when a person has Strep Throat.

 

Streptococcus is a spherical-shaped bacterium that forms small chains. The word -coccus is Latin for circle or sphere. Bacteria can come in many shapes, like spiral or rod shaped. This distinguishes bacteria from one another. Streptococcus also has pili, which are used to exchange genetic material. Streptococcus is a prokaryote, which means it has no nucleus. Yet, this bacteria has DNA and ribosomes. Streptococcus contains a flagellum, allowing the bacteria to move.

Edited January 12, 2011 by P.Mom

[Phasmid]

The most notorious flagellated bacterium that our kids are likely to have (due to overuse of broad spectrum antibiotics) is called Clostridium difficile. Streptococcus pyogenes, the bacterium of focus in PANDAS is NOT flagellated.

 

 

[thereishope]

Is this a list? It looks like one.

 

http://www.archive.org/stream/atlasofbacterial00leif/atlasofbacterial00leif_djvu.txt

[Phasmid]

Actually, the below list is one of species that are mainly found free living in our environment, not within human hosts as pathogens.

 

 

 

Is this a list? It looks like one.

 

http://www.archive.o...00leif_djvu.txt

[LNN]

Vickie, you amaze me once again!

 

re: C. Diff - the needle in the haystack I'm looking for might cause constipation, or reflux, or bladder issues, along with neuropsych - either directly or by causing leaky gut. Diarrhea isn't our problem. DD has not been on abx.

 

Thank you all for taking the time to answer. If anyone has any other thoughts, please let me know.

 

Meanwhile, I'll be wading thru Vickie's find...googling my little heart out.

[Phasmid]

http://www.pnas.org/...02/26/9247.full

 

the link above is more relevant, as it's concerned with human pathogenic flagellated bacteria...

 

as you notice in that list, Bartonella sp. is one of the flagellated bad guys

Edited January 13, 2011 by Phasmid