guy123 Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 I remember this forum seemed to feel magnesium was very beneficial for tics, and there was a specific variety or type or something that everyone used. Can you please refresh my memory as to what it was and where to get it? And dosages, too. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chemar Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 It is not just this forum that recognizes the benefits of magnesium for TS tics, guy...it is based on research, primarily that by Bonnie Grimaldi, who has the Bontech range of supps for TS (http://www.bonniegr.com) Mag research http://www.bonniegr.com/news.html For people who can handle taurine, magnesium taurate is recommended. Mag lactate, citrate, glycinate etc are also well absorbed Mag oxide is a total waste of money and not effective as it is very poorly absorbed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evemac Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 We used the Calm brand (Purchased at Whole Foods) and my son at 68 pounds uses 1/8 tsp a day. Eve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mythree Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 We use Kirkman Magnesium glycenate (powder form), My DD is 63 lbs and we use 1/2 - 1 tsp at night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guy123 Posted July 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 (edited) Ok, thanks. I didn't even know there were that many kinds of magnesium available! I was reading about them a bit online and it looks like many of them are used laxatives. I definitely don't need that! It seems that the more poorly absorbed it is, the more laxative effect it has. Does that sound right? I was just at the store (Target) and all they had was Magnesium Oxide. What about using L-Taurine by itself, or in addition to the mag taurate? What brand of Taurine do you use? Have you noticed tolerance or withdrawal? And if taurine is so helpful, why are drinks like Red Bull (which contain Taurine) harmful? Does the caffeine override the taurine's benefit? I am a 160 pound male. What would me suggested dosage of magnesium taurate be? What about magnesium and taurine separately? Sorry for all the questions! Edited July 8, 2011 by guy123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chemar Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 Red Bull is full of excessive caffeine and other stuff guy so no comparison to the taurine in that "mix" to magnesium taurate or correctly balanced magnesium and taurine separately. We do however have some reports here of people who tic *more* when they take taurine so it is an individual specific reaction. Bontech(linked above) have a mag taurate, as does Cardiovascular Research & Douglas Laboratories Both are available at iherb.com Many of us like Natural Calm which is mag citrate. Very well absorbed as in iopnic form, but the citrate can have a laxative effect if too much taken We were told not to exceed 500mg taurine daily and magnesium for an adult with tics should also be in the 400-500mg daily level as far as I understand. Another good way to get magnesium is through the epsom salts baths we talk about...transdermal absorption of the mag sulfate seems very beneficial for calming tics as well as a detox bath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guy123 Posted July 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 (edited) Thanks. I definitely don't want a laxative effect. I have diarrhea occasionally and randomly as it is. This site says magnesium citrate is for short term use (then again, ehow is not the authority it makes itself out to be, so I wouldn't place much faith in this). http://www.ehow.com/about_5130706_types-magnesium-supplements.html If I was going to take magnesium by itself, which form would you recommend? I'm still doing some research on magnesium, taurine, and magnesium taurate. Is there a reason to take magnesium (in whichever form) + taurine separately, or should I just go with magnesium taurate and call it a day? Oh, and can these be mixed with Clonidine? Edited July 9, 2011 by guy123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chemar Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 any of the mags other than oxide are well absorbed, guy, tho the citrate is the one with the more laxative effect. Maybe try for glycinate or, as many of them are nowadays, a blended one. There is no reason to take mag and taurine separately and do remember...some people react negatively to taurine! If you do not have TS tics, then taurine may not be needed. I don't see any negative reactions between magnesium and clonidine http://healthlibrary...&chunkiid=25085 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guy123 Posted July 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 (edited) Thanks. Perhaps I will start with taurine alone and see if there is an adverse reaction, and if not, I will try some magnesium taurate. And if so, then I will try some magnesium alone. I can get 500mg taurine pills at GNC for like $6. I think I'll start with like 1/2 a pill and see what happens. If no adverse reaction, take a full pill. If no adverse reaction, I will assume that I can take it safely. Here is the rest of the ingredients: Other Ingredients: Di-Calcium Phosphate, Cellulose No Sugar, No Starch, No Artificial Color, No Artificial Flavors, No Preservatives, Sodium Free, No Wheat, No Gluten, No Corn, No Soy, No Dairy, Yeast Free So none of those should have any adverse effect, right? ------------------------------ Here is some useful info: Magnesium Chelated: - alpha-ketogluconate - aspartate - glycinate - lysinate - orotate - taurate Magnesium Inorganic or ionic - sulphate - oxide - citrate - carbonate - bicarbonate - chloride "Some supplement companies make so-called chelated magnesiums but the chelate (bound to) is partial and the raw material contains some percentage of ionized, unbound or inorganic magnesium. Ionized magnesium may cause diarrhea in many users and, therefore, not correct a cellular magnesium deficiency. Diarrhea, or soft stools, caused by any form of magnesium can make a magnesium deficiency worse. " Source: http://www.krispin.com/magnes.html#How ---------------------------------- More good info (looks like Chemar is a member of this forum, too ) http://neurotalk.psychcentral.com/showthread.php?t=1138 There are two types of magnesium supplement...1)inorganic salts 2)organic chelates. Inorganic salts include epsom salts (magnesium sulfate), magnesium chloride as found in delayed release forms SlowMag, and its generic equivs MagDelay and Mag64. And Magnesium Oxide (which time has proven in studies to be next to useless). The chelates are citrate, lactate, glycinate, malate, taurate..these are the most common. This is magnesium bonded to an amino acid which then allows for better absorption with less stool loosening (a common side effect). Recent studies have shown that not all magnesium supplements are bioavailable --meaning absorbed well from the GI tract. Magnesium lactate is the best, most completely absorbed. Magneisum oxide is the worst, by far, and should be avoided. The rest provide in intermediate level of success and if you want dual effects, some of the chelates afford those. Magnesium taurate provides taurine, which some Tourette's patients do well on. Taurine is also good for the heart. Magnesium malate provides malic acid which Fibromyalgia patients often find helpful. Anyone with muscle issues would find this useful. Magnesium citrate can be very laxative, but some people find this useful if they have chronic constipation. Edited July 9, 2011 by guy123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chemar Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 yes, that excellent thread from mrsD on NeuroTalk about Magnesium is one I have linked here a number of times The mag lactate is supposed to be the very best absorbed but I have not been able to find it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guy123 Posted July 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 yes, that excellent thread from mrsD on NeuroTalk about Magnesium is one I have linked here a number of times The mag lactate is supposed to be the very best absorbed but I have not been able to find it It's expensive. http://www.vitaminscripts.com/standard-process-magnesium-lactate-90-capsules.aspx http://pureformulas.com/magnesium-lactate-90-capsules-by-standard-process.html?CAWELAID=532167358 A little cheaper on amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Standard-Process-Magnesium-Lactate-90/dp/B0015LPYVS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1310233785&sr=8-1 Do you think my idea of trying taurine alone first to judge sensitivity is a good idea? Or would the taurine in pill form be different from that in magnesium taurate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chemar Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 I really don't know the answer to that guy. I would think that anything chelated probably has some type of change but I am not sure. You could try asking mrsD as she would likely know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guy123 Posted July 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2011 I got some 500mg Taurine pills from GNC. I just took about 1/3 of a pill, which is around 166mg. If I don't notice any increase in tics then I will try half a pill tomorrow, and if no increase, then a whole pill on Wednesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guy123 Posted July 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 Trying 1/2 taurine pill (250mg) today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guy123 Posted July 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Trying 2/3 of a pill today. Heh, increasing slowly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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