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  1. Bartonella flare - help!

    Typically when we find something that works for him, the die off causes his neurological symptoms to increase. Unfortunately that's mostly his tics. All of the drs we've seen have warned that overwhelming his detox systems came lead to irreversible consequences. So we would start out slowly and if his tics increased significantly, the drs usually told us to half the dose. Rifampin really seemed to be promising, but his stomach couldn't tolerate it. We went all the way to emptying the capsules to just 1/4 the dose but his gut said no. The Dr then switched him to Tindamax which was premature & messed him up so much that we ended up taking almost a year break while he recovered. Then we switched to an LLMD that was more into herbals and alternative which was better for his body but still didn't help much. He couldn't tolerate A-bart at all for some reason. Anyway so I don't know if his detox ability is that bad or he's that sensitive or what, but the LLMDs were of only limited help for us, sadly.
  2. Bartonella flare - help!

    My 25 yr old has chronic neurological lyme, bartonella & some signs of babesia - who knows what else. Bart is the one that is causing the most problems by far though. It has given him Tourettes. We've been to several LLMDs but they have never been able to help much because every time we found an antibiotic that helped, he would get worse & we would have to pull back. And then we ran out of money. Now he's having new rashes showing up on his legs, itching that travels around his body & he's ticcing a whole lot more. Zithromax used to help but doesn't anymore. Levofloxacin seemed to help years ago. I'm thinking of going to his regular doctor to get an Rx for it & then start him on some anti-bart herbs. Anyone out there dealing with bart who might be able to help steer me in the right direction?
  3. Bartonella, purple streaks, mold

    We got our son tested for bartonella thru Igenex. It came up negative, but our LLMD at the time (a researcher & teaching dr in Missouri) said there are at least a dozen forms of bart so it doesn't mean a whole lot. My daughter also has bart & I realized it when we were doing swim lessons years ago because at the time she was still skinny as a twig & I noticed she had what looked like stretch marks on the backs of her legs. Like your son, my daughter had never been fat - nothing had stretched her skin so stretch marks was very obviously not the answer. Thankfully I had just found this forum & suspected it was a bart rash. That purplish to reddish striated rash is pretty distinctive. I'll post a pic of my son's rash on his leg (he's also never been fat & his skin has never been stretched out by anything), but if you google "bartonella rash" and click on images, you'll see a lot of pictures of them. That actually helped with my family's skepticism - seeing my pix of the bizarre rash proved to them that there really is something out of the ordinary physically going on with my kids & mainstream medicine has no clue how to deal with it. I've looked at Buhner's protocols and felt the same sense of overwhelmed confusion so I'll continue watching this thread, too! Someone pointed me to Dr Zhang's book to learn more about his protocol, but a friend of mine just diagnosed with Lyme was telling me about Dr. Rawl's book "Unlocking Lyme" that she's reading. It all gets so confusing. If only there were pat, straightforward (affordable!) answers available. FWIW, my son says that of all the things we've tried, lomatium (we get it as SEES-plus capsules from Barlow Herbal.com) has done the most to improve his symptoms. Fair warning, though, it can cause a rash initially which does go away after about a week but itches miserably in the meantime (ours was actually like german measles which made me wonder if it releases viruses - including vaccine viruses - sequestered in the body) so if you do decide to try it, be sure to follow their instructions about how to minimize that possible effect. I didn't pay enough attention to that (in fairness, my husband had gone into the hospital for an aneurysm during the time we had started), and because I didn't realize what was going on till it was fully upon us, we had to just ride it out. Which made for a pretty miserable week. Afterward though, my son said he felt like he could think clearly for the first time in years.
  4. Bartonella, purple streaks, mold

    I wish I could offer you something more than my sympathy, but my 25 yr old son has been struggling with neurolyme and bartonella, as well as mold allergies and more for years. He sounds very much like how you describe your son. In his case, in addition to low testosterone, and depression, it also causes him Tourette's syndrome. 3 PANS docs and 10-20 thousand plus dollars later, we've never been able to do more than clear his brain fog and reduce his tics slightly. Unfortunately, he has terrible detox genetics and every time we found something helpful, it overwhelmed his system and his tics would escalate so we would have to pull back every time. We're pretty sure it's the bartonella that's causing him the most problems (the LLMD's agreed) & he got a nice ugly purple streaky rash for Easter after indulging in a whole lot of sweets and junk while his allergies were simultaneously peaking because it was too much for his immune system to handle. I can tell you that eating healthy and a green lifestyle has not been anything even remotely close to a miracle cure for us, but it does make a difference - everything you can do to strengthen his immune system or reduce the drags on it definitely helps. May I ask what treatment he went thru for mold?
  5. overeating

    Dopamine is the neurotransmitter that gets released when we eat (or participate in anything that gives a sense of pleasure) and provides a sense of well-being. Overeating, especially when your son says he doesn't feel well & wants you to help him feel better, can simply be that he's using the dopamine surge that comes from eating to "self medicate" or feel better temporarily. Unfortunately, self-medicating that way leads to further metabolic imbalances and can burn out dopamine receptors (similar to what happens with insulin in Type II diabetes), so it's important to make sure that he's not going overboard.
  6. I wish I had something to offer you other than sympathy. My 24yo son has tics triggered by compulsions (his neurologist called it OCD without the O). We've done IVIG twice (brought him back 50% the 1st time, but only lasted a week, then no effect with the 2nd) & various antibiotic treatments, but every time we find something effective, his tics start escalating & we have to back off. We're currently looking into trying Stephen Buhner's herbal protocol and trying essential oils that others have had some success with. Maybe you can try some of the at home treatments to see if you can bring him to a place where he can handle the dr's visits. Natural treatments tend to be slower and more subtle, but for some of our kids that's an advantage.
  7. Fasting and the immune system

    Fasting can be really bad for a person with thyroid or adrenal issues as well.
  8. My 8yo has complained of pain behind one or both knees that comes and goes for more than a year now. It does seem more likely to flare up when he's been working them harder in his martial arts class, but sometimes it does even when he's not doing anything. When it first hit, he was just about to belt test, and woke up that morning limping because the pain behind his right knee was so bad. He said when I touched it (I was going to lightly massage it), it hurt even more. Seemed sort of like a charley horse, but behind the knees rather than the calf, & it lasted hours. He has never had it that bad since & it seems to be slowly reducing in severity. We took him to an orthopedist who took x-rays & examined his knees and found nothing. He said we could take him to a pediatric specialist in the medical center, but we decided after researching online & talking to several parents whose kids also experienced similar, inexplicable "growing pains" that the expense was probably not worth it since it seemed like he might be slowly outgrowing whatever it is & dr's don't really seem to know what causes it anyway. Recently, he was selected for his martial arts school competition team & he is working out a lot more. He has begun complaining more often of the pain in the last few weeks. Ibuprofen does seem to help, but since our LLMD thinks we probably all have Lyme (we've only tested the 2 oldest kids who are currently being treated because we can't afford more), I am wondering if I should try giving him something herbal for Lyme to see if it will help, like maybe cat's claw, or am I more likely to mess things up if I start tinkering with things when we are not really able to get him properly treated yet?
  9. Increase in tics during exercise

    My son's tics always increase whenever anything affects either his serotonin (exercise & sunlight increase serotonin) OR his dopamine. While my understanding is that dopamine is involved in ticcing, because hormones work on a feedback mechanism, with serotonin and dopamine being closely connected, they directly affect each other's levels in the endocrine system. I figured rises in serotonin probably cause his dopamine to fluctuate while the body adjusts its "setting". So I think it's not just increased dopamine, but the up & down fluctuations of adjustments that cause it.
  10. We have been very blessed that our kids' martial arts Master has hired our 2 oldest to assist at his school as there are few places they could work that would not have a problem with them taking a week off every couple of months to see a specialist in another state. He has asked me if I could provide him with a document for their files (for insurance purposes) that has their diagnoses & any special precautions that might need to be taken, or if none need to be taken, to prevent them infecting someone (bleeding is unusual, but it does sometimes happen). I tried contacting our LLMD's assistant by email & by phone beginning 3 wks ago to find out what could be provided to him, but she has not responded (I know these offices are busy, but this seems to be a problem with all the LLMD's we have worked with, & I really don't understand why they so frequently don't even acknowledge our calls at all. If they don't have time to do it, then saying so, instead of wasting my time that I don't have to spare either, would take less time than the time spent screening my repeated requests). Anyway, so I was thinking it would probably work better if I just came up with research and made a document & faxed it to them for the doctor to fill in the diagnoses & sign? Problem is, I'm not sure what research there is on human-to-human transmission. It seems to be similar to HIV in how it can happen. Is that right?
  11. Rifampin alternatives

    Thanks! We have used Minocin, but not in combo with anything & possibly not long enough so that could be a good possibiity. Any idea what the other antibiotic might have been?
  12. Rifampin alternatives

    My 22yo ds (chronic neuro-lyme & bartonella w/possible babesia) was responding positively to rifampin, though it did increase his tics considerably. Unfortunately, his stomach could not tolerate it very well. We have not gotten as good a response with anything else since (though we may not have been on the Bactrim DS long enough to say for sure) The bartonella seems to be our toughest problem. Levaquin helped a bit. Been thru Zith & Biaxin, several cephalosporins, clindamycin. Done some herbal stuff. Hasn't been able to tolerate A-Bart yet. Anything else we might try?
  13. Patches in throat not strep?!

    OMGosh, that was a great suggestion to google the images, but I'd advise against anyone with a weak stomach doing it - yuck. My 18yo's throat looks quite a bit like the first picture on this page - http://www.foodpyramid.com/conditions-disorders/white-spots-on-throat-causes-and-symptoms-10618/ (hers looks more like the right side of the throat in that pic with its spots as opposed to the left side with its patches) So from what the article at this link is saying, apparently you can have whilte spots & patches just from having inflamed tonsils. It that's correct, then it's probably not strep (because of the 5 negative rapid tests), but still leaves the door open for almost anything, right? No one's been running any fever, though, FWIW. My 21yo was up when I got home and says he actually feels sicker today. It is so tempting to go ahead & give him something I still have a leftover bottle of clindamycin caps from our old LLMD that's still in date & enough for more than 10 days treatment, but then that might complicate things & we have an appt w/ the dr for some labs on Monday. Should I grit my teeth and wait & see - or go ahead & use a drug that the old LLMD thought would be beneficial for his case & my ds had no problem taking previously?
  14. Help! I am so confused! Our background: 21yo dx'd w/Lyme and bartonella causing him to have Tourette's, 18yo w/bartonella rash & emotional lability. LLMDs think dh gave the Lyme or both to me, & I passed it on to our 5 kids during pregnancy. All but 2 of us got sick w/flu symptoms over Christmas break, but it was weird - we started to feel like we were getting better, but then we got sicker with our sinuses rapidly backing up to fill up our ear canals and leading to sore & swollen throats. My 18yo & I had to go to the dr & ended up with rx's for 10 days of Suprax. During this time my 21yo got some of the symptoms and his tics got significantly worse (as they always do when he gets exposed to something). We still had some sx's after the Suprax was finished, but I attributed them to the drainage that was so very slowly beginning to move out of the ear canals. When the Christmas break was over, I learned that one of the families at our taekwondo school had the same sx's as us & had been dx'd with both flu and strep. Our family was finally starting to feel like it was just about gone about 2 wks ago, though, and I was hoping it wasn't an issue for us. Still my 21 yo's tics did not seem to be getting better - possibly were even a little worse - and I have been very worried about him. Then we had a taekwondo tournament this past Saturday & after it was over, we were so incredibly & unusually wiped out from it. Sure enough, by Monday we were developing sinus-crud & I though thought we were all fighting a cold. Until last night. My 18yo has been complaining about her throat hurting, but she is soo negative & complains all the time (bartonella doesn't help) that I have an unfortunate tendency to tune her out. Last night I finally took a look at her throat & freaked out when I saw what looked like white patches back there as well as being swollen & red. So today I ran all of us to the dr's office convinced that we have strep. Just got back from the dr’s & 5 rapid strep test$ later – the nurse practitioner says they’re all negative & she doesn’t see white patches in my 18yo's throat (suggested perhaps I was seeing drainage?). She did say that she saw signs of infection in the 4 kids that were there (my 21 yo didn’t go - his tics have made it so hard for him to get to bed that he is up almost all night right now) so she gave the 4 kids antibiotics anyway - amoxicillin 875mg 2xd x10days for the 2 older & Omnicef 250mg 2xd x10 days + zith for me but only if I feel like I'm getting worse over the weekend. I looked at my 18yo's throat after we got home from the dr's office. Now the white patches actually look more kind of yellowish, sort of like when the skin in the mouth gets ulcerated - except that her skin doesn't seem to be. She does have constant problems with candida so could it be that? But I would think that would be something even a nurse practitioner would have no problem recognizing. Could the fact that I've been having her gargle with salt water have anything to do with it? We've also been taking monolaurin, oregano oil, lysine, astragalus & olive leaf in my effort to help us get better. I am totally stymied! I know the rapid streps can give false negatives, but all 5 being so seems kind of less likely – yet what on earth did I see in my daughter's throat then? yeast overgrowth or is there some other bug that can cause patches at the back of the throat? - so I’m here to consult my strep experts in the PANDAS forum! We just switched to an LLMD in Colorado & have only seen him once, & I had to postpone our followup till April because of some major things that came up at the end of last year, so I don't know how willing he would be to call us in anything. Any advice?
  15. Does Pandas/Lyme go in cycles?

    Our 21yo son has lyme and bartonella & probably other bugs too. IVIG for us happened before we started LLMD treatments. It gave us one week of noticeable improvement after the first & nothing after the second. His herxes have always been for his symptoms to get worse. Some of the antibiotics that were effective caused too much die off for his body to clear & we had to be careful not to let things go too far for fear we wouldn't be able to bring him back. The dr we are seeing now cycles his antibiotics & some of the herbs and that seems to make the herxes less severe/more tolerable.
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